Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Go get 'em boys!

Lance is the next Kaepernick. All athlete, very little QB. As soon as they start containing him in the pocket he's done.

— 4evrnyt (@4evrnyt) October 12, 2021

Must be another lazy WZer lol

Probably!

I don't mind critically reviewing Trey and keeping the same energy as previous discussions with Garoppolo but these kinds of takes, deserve trolling.

Talent and ability aside the two things I like about Trey is he doesn't get rattled and he plays with such intensity and fire. He comes out in his 1st starting NFL drive and throws a pick but then instead of letting that get to him he was able to rebound and never again in that game threw a ball that you would say should have been picked off. We have seen how Lawrence,Fields, and Wilson have done this season early on when things didn't start out good, It snowballed. Wilson threw 4 picks vs the Pats in his 2nd start. Fields 1st start was a disaster and even his start last Sunday wasn't that great despite his team winning. He was only 12-20 for 111 yards and had 4 rushing yards on 3 carries and didn't face a defense nearly as good as the Cardinals.

There are times when he looks like DeShaun.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by jcs:
Here are a few gifs...there is game film available on youtube too.









2017 Jimmy was a different type of QB than the guy whom kyle has since "developed" him into.

Good find.

Not really showing what is claimed. The deepest pass was throw after he moved to the left, shortening the distance. The bottom gif is a streak.

Also these are four passes from his 2016 year in New England. That isn't enough to judge. Moreover, it was before he got hurt.

In fact, who's to say it isn't injuries that was the biggest factor in him changing to a guy who throws the quick stuff all the time.

The assertion was that Jimmy was not capable of even those throws. The gifs prove that wrong.

He is currently in a system that focuses on quick throws. I would suggest part of that is the inability of the OL to provide an extra second of protection to allow those longer routes to develop.

We've seen Jimmy make every one of those throws here. The problem is he can't do it consistently.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
We've seen Jimmy make every one of those throws here. The problem is he can't do it consistently.

All he does is win consistently.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
We've seen Jimmy make every one of those throws here. The problem is he can't do it consistently.

All he does is win consistently.

that's a lie.

How the hell did we draft another QB that's inaccurate.... Is it that hard to project NFL talent these days? .... geez... I read this guy had all the intangibles and was super smart and would pick up this offense very quickly. So far I have seen a great guy who is a good teammate , but if were being honest with ourselves.... he looks like just another guy at this point. I hope I'm just being impatient and lance will soon develop into something special..... At this point ... I don't see it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Is this serious? We saw Burrow and Lawrence in college and what they brought to the table. Lance was drafted on pure speculation. What could be. Potential. But now I'm hearing he doesn't have elite speed. He's not ellusive. He clearly isn't accurate and definitely doesn't have touch. So on what basis was he drafted so high? Josh Allen was the outlier. And even then he clearly is bigger and stronger than Lance.

LOL man you're reaching so much. Mahomes whom you hated pre-draft was based off potential. Same with Allen. Watson threw a s**t ton of INTs and wasn't regarded as accurate coming out of Clemson. He was "just an athlete" who played on a stud team. I'm sure you hated him too.

He has plus speed for a guy that's 230lbs. His legs ARE a positive not a negative. He's not as elusive as Lamar, not one is...yet you make it sound like I said he wasn't elusive. Go watch him move around a muddy pocket and get yards. He did it on the first damn play of the game.

From the first play of the game Trey Lance had to overcome the bad play of not 1 but 2 vets!#49ers #treylance

For full 90+ minute breakdown of Lance's 1st start👇https://t.co/XvXOpboJzP pic.twitter.com/KHw2OCo0LQ

— John Chapman (@JL_Chapman) October 12, 2021

His adjusted completion percentage was 78%. Is he there yet, no. Why would you expect him to be? He made some stupid accurate throws on Sunday though...If Jimmy made those throws you'd be rock hard in the Jimmy thread and you know it.

And saying he doesn't have touch is a straight up lie. Go watch his check downs to Juice, go watch his film from NDSU.

how is this not touch

Trey Lance closes out the first half with a 6-play, 75-yard touchdown drive in 45 seconds. #ProBison pic.twitter.com/DRtsRnFMdC

— NDSU Football (@NDSUfootball) August 23, 2021

My god you've watch a handful of snaps and have declared him a bust because you've wanted him to be a bust from day 1...you've been patient with avg Jimmy for 4 years, dealt with him injures and defended him like no other....yet you can't do the same for a 21 yr old who hasn't played real football since 2019. Talk about being bias.

That's 40 years of bias dawg.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
We've seen Jimmy make every one of those throws here. The problem is he can't do it consistently.

All he does is win consistently.

Until the end of 2019.

Originally posted by swaccmac1:
How the hell did we draft another QB that's inaccurate.... Is it that hard to project NFL talent these days? .... geez... I read this guy had all the intangibles and was super smart and would pick up this offense very quickly. So far I have seen a great guy who is a good teammate , but if were being honest with ourselves.... he looks like just another guy at this point. I hope I'm just being impatient and lance will soon develop into something special..... At this point ... I don't see it.

Run! Run for your life! They are going to attack you at any second...

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Young's completion % his 1st 4 yrs in the league was like 53% Lance's adjusted completion percentage was 75% last game. Even in that one game you could see improvement from the Seattle game.

he already sees the field better than Kap did. That is actually pretty obvious if you watch the film.

Lance should start because he needs to develop, he's the future not Jimmy. This isn't a SB roster…and Jimmy isn't a great QB.

Ahh ... the adjusted completion percentage. Are you also adjusting for when Brandon Aiyuk makes a contorted, one-handed circus catch on a hook route? Or are you just adjusting for the 100 MPH slant routes that bounce off of the receiver's chest plate?

With regard to Steve Young ... I know you are a serious scholar of the game and I am a mere ignoramus, but there was a notable uptick in Steve Young's completion percentage when he came to Bill Walsh's west coast offense. QBs running this system, particularly the Niners, always had higher completion percentages than the rest of the league. Tampa, to my recollection was a dumpster fire that didn't run the WCO. Also, as I'm sure you've uncovered in your original research is that the league was significantly less QB friendly in 1985. Only Joe Montana and Ken O'Brien of your Jets squad had completion percentages above 60%. Much different game today. The league leading passer and MVP, Dan Marino, came in at 59.3. I've done an adjustment ... two of those three hovering around the 60% became first ballot Hall of Famers.

At 5 games in we have no idea what's going to happen. This is a roster that can get to the dance, and it's not always the best team that makes it to the Super Bowl. There is a lot of luck and injuries that play a part. Way too early to write this off as a developmental year.

Originally posted by swaccmac1:
How the hell did we draft another QB that's inaccurate.... Is it that hard to project NFL talent these days? .... geez... I read this guy had all the intangibles and was super smart and would pick up this offense very quickly. So far I have seen a great guy who is a good teammate , but if were being honest with ourselves.... he looks like just another guy at this point. I hope I'm just being impatient and lance will soon develop into something special..... At this point ... I don't see it.

It's difficult to be patient but this pick is one that requires lots of patience unfortunately. Many people had hopes he would come in and save our season after Jimmy went down. But this kid needs to learn and slow himself down and stop trying to prove he was worth the #3 pick. Same thing is happening with Wilson in New York.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by swaccmac1:
How the hell did we draft another QB that's inaccurate.... Is it that hard to project NFL talent these days? .... geez... I read this guy had all the intangibles and was super smart and would pick up this offense very quickly. So far I have seen a great guy who is a good teammate , but if were being honest with ourselves.... he looks like just another guy at this point. I hope I'm just being impatient and lance will soon develop into something special..... At this point ... I don't see it.

Run! Run for your life! They are going to attack you at any second...

its ok I have thick skin ...... besides I hope I'm wrong and they are right... but at this point I just don't see it

Originally posted by swaccmac1:
its ok I have thick skin ...... besides I hope I'm wrong and they are right... but at this point I just don't see it

Im in the same boat. I really hope Im wrong, but I dont see it either. Im just sitting back waiting to see something positive.