Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
who said it was a MCL?

Papa or the game from one of the pressers. Thus why he was due back to practice today. It's been two weeks. About on schedule.

It was just raised in a question to Shanahan that it was a grade 1 MCL. Shanahan said he was not told that but it was a sprain that was worse then what they first thought. He will be back at practice today and they will see if there is any soreness after practice to see if he will go again tomorrow.

Seems like just about everybody on the planet thinks it's time to start Lance, except Kyle Shanahan. Why is that?

We're still in the playoff hunt? Only mathematically. Not the way Jimmy is playing, and (not) firing up the rest of the team. Bad judgement on Kyle's part.

Lance is not ready. OK, why is that? He never gets reps in our offense. Isn't our qb coach the same one again that coached up Jimmy in a couple of weeks when he first got here? What's he doing? I get the rookie thing, but he's had a long time now to make some progress. This is Kyle's responsibility, even if he didn't plan on starting him by now. What did Kyle think the odds were that his injury prone Jimmy hasn't been nicked by now given his history?

Could it be Kyle is not seeing what he expected to see from Lance? Uh oh. He disputed that Mac Jones Was the most ready to play, talking about how smart Trey was. That might make him want all the time he can get before that gets exposed. Did he really FU? God I hope not.

Well, lets find out. And let the chips fall where they may. WE need to see where we go from here, with our quarterback, as well as how well Kyle can function as a head coach and coach the rest of the team too. With Lance's skill set and the ability to stretch the field, Kyle should be able to pick apart a defense, and that in turn should help fire up the rest of the team. Even with rookie mistakes, I don't see our chances of winning should be less than keeping on doing what we are doing. Can Trey hold his offense accountable, where Jimmy is soft in that regard, even after watching Tom do it for years? It's time we see it. We're big boys. We can handle some youngster mistakes. We can't handle wallowing in worse than mediocrity and doing nothing about it.

The future is now.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I guess that might be me not communicating that well as I, admittedly, get defensive about the work I put in; just because I know my own thought processes, what I'm looking for and how I'm judging things.

When I mean address narratives - you have to understand I'm making videos for a LOT more than the WZ the past couple years. That's not meant that I'm looking down on the place - it wasn't my intention when I started the video format, it just happened that it kind of went there. That's when I realized there was a much bigger world of 49ers content seekers than was here and they were interested in what I was offering. Like, I found out after about 10 videos were posted on reddit without my knowledge, that it was a big hit there - and then twitter, then some sub topics in the NFL reddit - before they temporarily banned me for posting my own content and told me I had to post 10:1 on other stuff for every single comment I made even on my own threads.

But, reddit, for example, is a community of over 158k. So, when I say, "narratives" I'm not taking a side and proving one side right or wrong. I'm gauging the interest, because once you hit certain milestones as a content creator, there is a definite incentive to make things people are interested in.

For example, after the Seattle game, I made a conscientious choice, I could review the whole game or take a look at every single throw of Trey Lance, since it was his first real game action after being the #3 Overall pick. I couldn't do both, didn't have the time. I chose Lance because I figured more people were interested in that than seeing how the defense gave up 3 TD's in the 2nd half.

Turns out, I was right. That video is my most watched video ever. Over 42k views so far. The Aiyuk video - there's been a ton of talk about Aiyuk. I knew what I was seeing on film, so I presented it because it was a topic many people were interested in. Over 22k views - my 2nd most watched video this year and like 3rd or 4th all time. My game review of the Eagles? Around 7k. So, if there's a topic of general interest among fans, I'm going to speak to it from what I see. Not from a place where I have made a judgement and then argue my point - that's where the confusion may be, at least I'm hoping it is.

That's right jd. The webzone is the smallest audience of the three media sites you mentioned (reddit, youtube, twitter). You should gauge the interest of the fanbase based off those other sites, not webzone.

Yeah, the anything-but-Jimmy crowd has always been the massive minority yet, loudest, most aggressive and most angry.

Don't worry JD. I'm sure they'll keep that same energy when all the same team issues arise with Trey too.

Same thing happened with Alex and Colin too.

Slight difference in so far as Jimmy isn't currently playing as well as Alex was playing at the time, and we don't currently have enough intel on Trey Lance yet to know if he will be the same disaster that Colin Kaepernick was - but in relevance to your post, the signs of the Colin Kaepernick trainwreck were there from the very beginning, and people were blinded by it because of his flashy running - the same way that people are overlooking a QB that struggles to complete 50% of passes and clearly has no current command of the playbook simply because he ran a few times.

Going by KS comments he definitely seems more on board with if Trey was healthy he'd probably start..assume there is an element of trying to keep Jimmy G up for it (lols)

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
This crowd doesnt exist. Period.

At this point I feel like you're either just trolling or you're the most naive person I've ever encountered on a message board.

Every post I've seen of yours has been a complete gaslighting of what has been happening since the 2019 Super Bowl.

Originally posted by Franchise408:
Same thing happened with Alex and Colin too.

Slight difference in so far as Jimmy isn't currently playing as well as Alex was playing at the time, and we don't currently have enough intel on Trey Lance yet to know if he will be the same disaster that Colin Kaepernick was - but in relevance to your post, the signs of the Colin Kaepernick trainwreck were there from the very beginning, and people were blinded by it because of his flashy running - the same way that people are overlooking a QB that struggles to complete 50% of passes and clearly has no current command of the playbook simply because he ran a few times.

So what's the answer? By your word, Trey is a bust and Jimmy ain't 2012 Alex smith so where do we go?

If Jimmy ain't the answer then why not play Trey with the hopes that he can improve? Jimmy is who is at this point. He's not returning next year and he hasn't improved at all so what good does it do sticking with him especially when sticking with him isn't producing wins?

Originally posted by Goatie:
Well Shanahan just said now in his press conference that the Scout Team reps are very beneficial for rookies because it gets them experience with different schemes etc and they all find in beneficial. He is also saying it is not fair to Trey to start him before he is ready. So there you go.

Are you saying you know more than Shanahan on QB development?

Are you saying Kyle is great at developing QBs? Are you saying Kyle is truthful about everything? He also SAID it's hard to get better at football, by not playing football...so which is it, Goatie?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
First off I have no clue who Joe Shasky is so that "insult" means nothing to me.

And yeah sounds like a certain poster, that get's called out all the time. Just more junk in here

I have no idea what "certain poster" you are talking about, but if multiple people are saying the same thing about your takes, maybe *you* are the common denominator.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Seems like just about everybody on the planet thinks it's time to start Lance, except Kyle Shanahan. Why is that?

We're still in the playoff hunt? Only mathematically. Not the way Jimmy is playing, and (not) firing up the rest of the team. Bad judgement on Kyle's part.

Lance is not ready. OK, why is that? He never gets reps in our offense. Isn't our qb coach the same one again that coached up Jimmy in a couple of weeks when he first got here? What's he doing? I get the rookie thing, but he's had a long time now to make some progress. This is Kyle's responsibility, even if he didn't plan on starting him by now. What did Kyle think the odds were that his injury prone Jimmy hasn't been nicked by now given his history?

Could it be Kyle is not seeing what he expected to see from Lance? Uh oh. He disputed that Mac Jones Was the most ready to play, talking about how smart Trey was. That might make him want all the time he can get before that gets exposed. Did he really FU? God I hope not.

Well, lets find out. And let the chips fall where they may. WE need to see where we go from here, with our quarterback, as well as how well Kyle can function as a head coach and coach the rest of the team too. With Lance's skill set and the ability to stretch the field, Kyle should be able to pick apart a defense, and that in turn should help fire up the rest of the team. Even with rookie mistakes, I don't see our chances of winning should be less than keeping on doing what we are doing. Can Trey hold his offense accountable, where Jimmy is soft in that regard, even after watching Tom do it for years? It's time we see it. We're big boys. We can handle some youngster mistakes. We can't handle wallowing in worse than mediocrity and doing nothing about it.

The future is now.

Kyle was pretty clear about why Trey is not starting yet in his press conference not so long ago today. He said Trey is our future and basically it is not about this season and whether we are not doing so well in games at the moment but the long ter. He said it would not be fair on Trey to start him before he is ready.

He also said FO and him are on the same page in this regard.

If Trey was up to it right now he would be starting. But firstly he is injured and they have no need to start him right now and wreck his knee. Secondly, he is not ready and despite that a lot of people are upset with and are still blaming JG single handily for the loss against the Colts coach and FO still believe Jimmy is the better QB for the team at the moment. Kyle even had praise for the tough situation Jimmy was in playing in the rain. So there you go. FO and Kyle aren't going to give the fans on WZ instant gratification as they see the long term benefit as more important.

Originally posted by Franchise408:
I have no idea what "certain poster" you are talking about, but if multiple people are saying the same thing about your takes, maybe *you* are the common denominator.

LOL okay you've been in here for less then a month and have it all figured out on who's right in wrong in here, and who has bias takes. sure dude.

Yeah the same 4 posters who will never admit their wrong about something, even if it's clear as day they are. I could careless what they think about regarding my takes.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Well Shanahan just said now in his press conference that the Scout Team reps are very beneficial for rookies because it gets them experience with different schemes etc and they all find in beneficial. He is also saying it is not fair to Trey to start him before he is ready. So there you go.

Are you saying you know more than Shanahan on QB development?

Are you saying Kyle is great at developing QBs? Are you saying Kyle is truthful about everything? He also SAID it's hard to get better at football, by not playing football...so which is it, Goatie?

Playing scout team is playing football. It is part of the stepping stone up the ladder which Trey is scaling right now one step at a time.

I am sure Kyle has learned from his mistakes from RG3, JG, CJ, Mullens, Hoyer and is mindful of the 49ers investment and aspirations for Trey and does not want to stuff it up by being as caviller as you want him to be.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Franchise408:
I have no idea what "certain poster" you are talking about, but if multiple people are saying the same thing about your takes, maybe *you* are the common denominator.

LOL okay you've been in here for less then a month and have it all figured out on who's right in wrong in here, and who has bias takes. sure dude.

Yeah the same 4 posters who will never admit their wrong about something, even if it's clear as day they are. I could careless what they think about regarding my takes.

And you are one of the ones who never admit you are wrong, right

Originally posted by Goatie:
Well Shanahan just said now in his press conference that the Scout Team reps are very beneficial for rookies because it gets them experience with different schemes etc and they all find in beneficial. He is also saying it is not fair to Trey to start him before he is ready. So there you go.

Are you saying you know more than Shanahan on QB development?

I don't think KS (or any fan) should talk about / compare how KS develops QBs. His history is far from glowing.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Hahaha oh okay...

So yeah you two are right...there's no chance in hell if Lance got all the snaps the past 5+ months and played with the first string team all season that he would have looked any better then he did week 5 vs AZ. IN FACT according to you guys, he would look worse because he didn't sit.

OH and yeah totally only a luxury for teams to be able to sit a QB for a yr, I mean they invest high end draft capital in the most important position in sports, are banking on a game-changing QB that can literally change a franchise, BUT they don't have the "luxury" to sit them...you know if sitting them is the best approach to getting success out of them.



I mean I guess Banks/Sermon/Thomas are just gonna be rock stars next yr because they're getting red shirt too.

AND NO I listen to plenty of people in here, one's who opinion I value and actually learn from.

Oh pipe down. This has been explained to you 100 times by several poster who have given valid reasons over and over again. You're just the objective guy on the board tho pfft. So objective that practice throwing the football isn't even important to you. Trey is an inaccurate thrower of the football with poor mechanics. He doesn't need to throw to the 1st team to practice these things he could be throwing to a f**king post. I want see lance play and have stated as much. However, shanahan doesn't believe the time is right. The guys job and reputation in the league is tied to Trey lance's success. You don't f**king think if he thought he was ready in any sense that he'd put him in the game?????

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Well Shanahan just said now in his press conference that the Scout Team reps are very beneficial for rookies because it gets them experience with different schemes etc and they all find in beneficial. He is also saying it is not fair to Trey to start him before he is ready. So there you go.

Are you saying you know more than Shanahan on QB development?

I don't think KS (or any fan) should talk about / compare how KS develops QBs. His history is far from glowing.

I agree with that statement but he said today that FO is on the same page as him on Trey's development and at another point said in effect you do what those higher up (the boss) want. I am sure Kyle has learned from his mistakes re RG3, CJ, Mullens and JG's development and that FO have made it clear about their position on Trey's development. It is clear they are taking a long term approach and if this season sucks they are not going to panic and put the rookie in that they have just sold the farm for.

They are going to wait till he is ready first.