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May 4, 2021 at 9:20 AM
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Dude is nearly dead last every single year in PP at the G position. Per PFF of course . That's remarkable given how he's now played next to two HOF LT's who excelled in PP. Has he not learned a thing?

That and putting Jimmy on I.R. x2 in one season too. Not his best year. But he is very consistent and stays healthy. I could see him staying if it's a modest contract but would love him to finally have some real competition esp. in PP.

Link?

This is pre 2020 season, but still talks about his team high in pressures allowed and how his ratings fell when Garland was C. Alternatively, we was better than average next to a good center, so let's hope that form returns.

https://ninernoise.com/2020/08/07/49ers-laken-tomlinson-reliability-2020/
May 4, 2021 at 9:34 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Bobdawg78:
Wonder if Banks goes to LG, and Tomlinson to RG? Our left side and middle would be awesome at pass pro, and our right would be our weakness in that area, but atlest we could scheme around the right side being turnstiles, instead of our LG, and RT being turnstiles.

Probably not but I like your line of thinking. That said, having Tomlinson stuck between two excellent pass protectors and another one next to McGlinchey is a solid plan. Obviously if we max protect, it'll be to that right side to help McGlinchey.

But personally, I'd love to have Banks beat out Tomlinson at LG and Moore slide into RG. Make it a real competition. Tomlinson is a piss poor pass protector but he's a really good run blocker and he'll get paid accordingly next year.

Think and plan ahead...then you'd have 4 of the 5 OL really good in pass protection for Lance.

My thots exactly, but if Moore isnt a starter until next yr, we still have a helluva rotational guy to come in if someone gets dinged on OL. And then we have Brun and well, you choose the next two. Right now for me, Moore is at LEAST the #6 OL. Love to see him compete at LG.
May 4, 2021 at 9:47 AM
Originally posted by scooterhd:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Dude is nearly dead last every single year in PP at the G position. Per PFF of course . That's remarkable given how he's now played next to two HOF LT's who excelled in PP. Has he not learned a thing?

That and putting Jimmy on I.R. x2 in one season too. Not his best year. But he is very consistent and stays healthy. I could see him staying if it's a modest contract but would love him to finally have some real competition esp. in PP.

Link?

This is pre 2020 season, but still talks about his team high in pressures allowed and how his ratings fell when Garland was C. Alternatively, we was better than average next to a good center, so let's hope that form returns.

https://ninernoise.com/2020/08/07/49ers-laken-tomlinson-reliability-2020/

Thanks. Yeah from everything I've read pertaining to PFF PP grades he's hovering around 70 for the bulk of this time in the league. just failing to see where this equates to bottom of the league. So just wanted NCs source that showed he's at the button of the league in PP
May 4, 2021 at 9:54 AM
What if moore wins the RG and Banks is the back up?
[ Edited by pdizo916 on May 4, 2021 at 9:54 AM ]
May 4, 2021 at 9:59 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Dude is nearly dead last every single year in PP at the G position. Per PFF of course . That's remarkable given how he's now played next to two HOF LT's who excelled in PP. Has he not learned a thing?

That and putting Jimmy on I.R. x2 in one season too. Not his best year. But he is very consistent and stays healthy. I could see him staying if it's a modest contract but would love him to finally have some real competition esp. in PP.

Hold on...we using PFF now or no? I've lost track how often you flip flop on if we're allowed to use it or not

and no he's most certainly isn't "dead last" higher PP grade last yr then Teller (#1 overall OG), Shaq mason, roger Stafford, Andrus Peat all three who are some of the highest paid OGs in the NFL
May 4, 2021 at 10:01 AM
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Thanks. Yeah from everything I've read pertaining to PFF PP grades he's hovering around 70 for the bulk of this time in the league. just failing to see where this equates to bottom of the league. So just wanted NCs source that showed he's at the button of the league in PP

Because he's not lol. He's not elite, but he most certainly isn't as bad as NC likes to think.
May 4, 2021 at 11:25 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Thanks. Yeah from everything I've read pertaining to PFF PP grades he's hovering around 70 for the bulk of this time in the league. just failing to see where this equates to bottom of the league. So just wanted NCs source that showed he's at the button of the league in PP

Because he's not lol. He's not elite, but he most certainly isn't as bad as NC likes to think.

It's like this every year. He's very consistent. Imagine if PFF graded more harshly for putting your QB on I.R. twice. Imagine.

May 4, 2021 at 11:26 AM
Originally posted by pdizo916:
What if moore wins the RG and Banks is the back up?

Let's have Banks beat out Tomlinson and Moore starts at RG!

4 quality pass protectors and 5 if McGlinchey regains weight and becomes average again.
May 4, 2021 at 11:57 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Thanks. Yeah from everything I've read pertaining to PFF PP grades he's hovering around 70 for the bulk of this time in the league. just failing to see where this equates to bottom of the league. So just wanted NCs source that showed he's at the button of the league in PP

Because he's not lol. He's not elite, but he most certainly isn't as bad as NC likes to think.

It's like this every year. He's very consistent. Imagine if PFF graded more harshly for putting your QB on I.R. twice. Imagine.


Year in year out he's graded by PFF as right around 70 in PP So yes he is pretty consistent and not close to bottom of the league every year .
May 4, 2021 at 12:01 PM
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Thanks. Yeah from everything I've read pertaining to PFF PP grades he's hovering around 70 for the bulk of this time in the league. just failing to see where this equates to bottom of the league. So just wanted NCs source that showed he's at the button of the league in PP

Because he's not lol. He's not elite, but he most certainly isn't as bad as NC likes to think.

It's like this every year. He's very consistent. Imagine if PFF graded more harshly for putting your QB on I.R. twice. Imagine.


Year in year out he's graded by PFF as right around 70 in PP So yes he is pretty consistent and not close to bottom of the league every year .

In PBE? Those are the advanced stats isolated 1in1 and in true PP situations.
[ Edited by NCommand on May 4, 2021 at 12:02 PM ]
May 4, 2021 at 12:13 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
In PBE? Those are the advanced stats isolated 1in1 and in true PP situations.

He's graded out at 70 in PP by PFF in virtually every year he's been in the league. So he's not at the bottom of the league, Those are just the facts. Do you not use that PFF grade anymore? Do you consider PBE to be like adjusted sack rate? Since you have access to the advanced stats can you please post each year of PBE for him? Will be interesting to see where he falls and their criteria vs PP grades, because PP grades don't have him bottom of the league
May 4, 2021 at 12:24 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Thanks. Yeah from everything I've read pertaining to PFF PP grades he's hovering around 70 for the bulk of this time in the league. just failing to see where this equates to bottom of the league. So just wanted NCs source that showed he's at the button of the league in PP

Because he's not lol. He's not elite, but he most certainly isn't as bad as NC likes to think.

It's like this every year. He's very consistent. Imagine if PFF graded more harshly for putting your QB on I.R. twice. Imagine.


What does this have to do with you saying Tomlinson is constantly at bottom of PFF in PBLK? That's simply not true.
May 4, 2021 at 12:25 PM
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
In PBE? Those are the advanced stats isolated 1in1 and in true PP situations.

He's graded out at 70 in PP by PFF in virtually every year he's been in the league. So he's not at the bottom of the league, Those are just the facts. Do you not use that PFF grade anymore? Do you consider PBE to be like adjusted sack rate? Since you have access to the advanced stats can you please post each year of PBE for him? Will be interesting to see where he falls and their criteria vs PP grades, because PP grades don't have him bottom of the league

All good on the level you chose to look at. His PBE has been like that every year up to 2019. I didn't check last year but I'm assuming it was par for the course. David Lombardi and Jeff Deeney are good ones to ask for that if you need it. They're advanced because they tease out the fluff.

"The importance of pass-blocking efficiency in today's NFL | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF" https://www.pff.com/news/pro-the-importance-of-pass-blocking-efficiency-in-todays-nfl

Oscar/David were referencing the high grades by Banks and Moore using this in "true pass blocking situations."

Pressures tell a big part of the story and PFF's pass-blocking efficiency measurement (available in PFF Elite) takes it a bit further, measuring pressures allowed on a per-snap basis with a weighting toward sacks allowed.
[ Edited by NCommand on May 4, 2021 at 12:25 PM ]
May 4, 2021 at 12:26 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Thanks. Yeah from everything I've read pertaining to PFF PP grades he's hovering around 70 for the bulk of this time in the league. just failing to see where this equates to bottom of the league. So just wanted NCs source that showed he's at the button of the league in PP

Because he's not lol. He's not elite, but he most certainly isn't as bad as NC likes to think.

It's like this every year. He's very consistent. Imagine if PFF graded more harshly for putting your QB on I.R. twice. Imagine.


What does this have to do with you saying Tomlinson is constantly at bottom of PFF in PBLK? That's simply not true.

You don't think being rated 41 out of 63 qualifying G's in PBE isn't at the bottom?
[ Edited by NCommand on May 4, 2021 at 12:27 PM ]
May 4, 2021 at 12:44 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
All good on the level you chose to look at. His PBE has been like that every year up to 2019. I didn't check last year but I'm assuming it was par for the course. David Lombardi and Jeff Deeney are good ones to ask for that if you need it. They're advanced because they tease out the fluff.

"The importance of pass-blocking efficiency in today's NFL | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF" https://www.pff.com/news/pro-the-importance-of-pass-blocking-efficiency-in-todays-nfl

Oscar/David were referencing the high grades by Banks and Moore using this in "true pass blocking situations."

Pressures tell a big part of the story and PFF's pass-blocking efficiency measurement (available in PFF Elite) takes it a bit further, measuring pressures allowed on a per-snap basis with a weighting toward sacks allowed.

Ok so basically moving on from PFF PP grade to PBE because P grade is too high ha. It's pretty straight forward ask. All I want are the rankings you are referencing showing him bottom of the league year in year out, because I have not come across that or even heard that.
on a side note this must mean you are a big fan of adjusted sack rate I'm guessing
[ Edited by Hoovtrain on May 4, 2021 at 12:45 PM ]
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