Aaron Banks "The Dancing Bear", OG

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Another alternative is to platoon Tomlinson and Moore, alternating quarters. Niners did this at right guard (and left tackle) during a Super Bowl season.

No thanks.

Originally posted by Howlett49:
I don't even think Banks competes at LG this year. The main thing that would keep Tomlinson off the roster or "beat out" Tomlinson is his salary. They could let him walk and slide Banks over to LG next year. Moore would then compete at RG. People keep acting like the OL is ready for no Tomlinson this year but it's a next year thing.

I can see Tomlinson getting an extension. Moore is a 5th rd pick who has his issues all together.

I mean ideally you could have two guys on rookie deals playing next yr, but Tomlinson really isn't as bad as people pretend him to be.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Howlett49:
I don't even think Banks competes at LG this year. The main thing that would keep Tomlinson off the roster or "beat out" Tomlinson is his salary. They could let him walk and slide Banks over to LG next year. Moore would then compete at RG. People keep acting like the OL is ready for no Tomlinson this year but it's a next year thing.

I can see Tomlinson getting an extension. Moore is a 5th rd pick who has his issues all together.

I mean ideally you could have two guys on rookie deals playing next yr, but Tomlinson really isn't as bad as people pretend him to be.

I agree….i disagree….IDK…all these great posts and i am just trying to catch up. I agree that Laken is LG this yr and Banks is here for one reason…last yrs matador lookout blocks at RG (as in, ball is snapped and RG spins around and yells, "LOOKOUT"). So altho IDK… i think Banks solves the RG riddle this yr, which has just been disaster unchained. I also thot of Moore at LG come 2021 because Laken would be looking at a cool $5-6Mil per. And if Moore is even close to his film, hey, it is possible he could make a run for LG this yr…but probably not unless Laken is injured. Still it is best 11 and i really like what film i have seen (not just hi lites), good feet, excellent blocker. (Smaller conference tho, so have to take that into consideration).

Banks to me is such a lock at RG it just seems like it has to happen. Great run blocker, ZBS, and great at pass pro, with excellent feet, but he also can bloc MAN/POWER.….like Moore also.
I don't see Banks moving to LG this yr even to try out . KISS…and the simple part is we are "all broke down" at RG. Banks just fixed that.

Sure Brun could play RG and play it well…but he truly is a swing OT, who can pinch hit at OG also, and in a catastrophe,, can even snap. I'd be reluctant to start him at OG with that curriculum vitae. One thing i hope we don't see is if McG does not return to his first yr ability. He was truly worth that Rd 1 pick. But then , whether injury (as has been reported…maybe Thl?), or lack of weight, (lost about 20-30 lbs), McG's production dropped way off. I hope…and pray, that he returns to the McG we drafted. But if not….then maybe Brun goes to RT. Recall the Ram game Brun at RG took on Donald and stymied his azz.
And that was a real Brun eye opener.

But i am assuming McG returns to form. Only guy not mentioned and there is just little to go on here, is McKiviitz, sure seems to have inside track on 8th OL. The guy does have the motor, no two ways about it. Just haven't seen enough to know much about him. The fun thing is we still got the INTL player from Mexico, at OL, plus guys JL has pulled into the fold for a look see. He is always full of UDFA or FA surprises.

but bottom line for us is potentially 8 starter OLs. Wouldn't that be something? Oh, and unstated but everyone knows, these boys all zone block, BUT finally we got MAN/POWER game now also. Add in a big 3rd rd RB, and…Man i can't wait for this season to start.

A bigger question is do we carry 9 OLs (my preference), or do we carry 9 DLs? I could make a case for either. Both lines just got physically beaten to krapt last yr. Now THERE's a question.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Howlett49:
I don't even think Banks competes at LG this year. The main thing that would keep Tomlinson off the roster or "beat out" Tomlinson is his salary. They could let him walk and slide Banks over to LG next year. Moore would then compete at RG. People keep acting like the OL is ready for no Tomlinson this year but it's a next year thing.

I can see Tomlinson getting an extension. Moore is a 5th rd pick who has his issues all together.

I mean ideally you could have two guys on rookie deals playing next yr, but Tomlinson really isn't as bad as people pretend him to be.

I agree….i disagree….IDK…all these great posts and i am just trying to catch up. I agree that Laken is LG this yr and Banks is here for one reason…last yrs matador lookout blocks at RG (as in, ball is snapped and RG spins around and yells, "LOOKOUT"). So altho IDK… i think Banks solves the RG riddle this yr, which has just been disaster unchained. I also thot of Moore at LG come 2021 because Laken would be looking at a cool $5-6Mil per. And if Moore is even close to his film, hey, it is possible he could make a run for LG this yr…but probably not unless Laken is injured. Still it is best 11 and i really like what film i have seen (not just hi lites), good feet, excellent blocker. (Smaller conference tho, so have to take that into consideration).

Banks to me is such a lock at RG it just seems like it has to happen. Great run blocker, ZBS, and great at pass pro, with excellent feet, but he also can bloc MAN/POWER.….like Moore also.
I don't see Banks moving to LG this yr even to try out . KISS…and the simple part is we are "all broke down" at RG. Banks just fixed that.

Sure Brun could play RG and play it well…but he truly is a swing OT, who can pinch hit at OG also, and in a catastrophe,, can even snap. I'd be reluctant to start him at OG with that curriculum vitae. One thing i hope we don't see is if McG does not return to his first yr ability. He was truly worth that Rd 1 pick. But then , whether injury (as has been reported…maybe Thl?), or lack of weight, (lost about 20-30 lbs), McG's production dropped way off. I hope…and pray, that he returns to the McG we drafted. But if not….then maybe Brun goes to RT. Recall the Ram game Brun at RG took on Donald and stymied his azz.
And that was a real Brun eye opener.

But i am assuming McG returns to form. Only guy not mentioned and there is just little to go on here, is McKiviitz, sure seems to have inside track on 8th OL. The guy does have the motor, no two ways about it. Just haven't seen enough to know much about him. The fun thing is we still got the INTL player from Mexico, at OL, plus guys JL has pulled into the fold for a look see. He is always full of UDFA or FA surprises.

but bottom line for us is potentially 8 starter OLs. Wouldn't that be something? Oh, and unstated but everyone knows, these boys all zone block, BUT finally we got MAN/POWER game now also. Add in a big 3rd rd RB, and…Man i can't wait for this season to start.

A bigger question is do we carry 9 OLs (my preference), or do we carry 9 DLs? I could make a case for either. Both lines just got physically beaten to krapt last yr. Now THERE's a question.

I think it's a 9th OL or a 10th DL, too much talent to let go on the DL IMO. I just don't see anyone beyond the top 8 OL worth a spot, just sign a C, G, & T to the PS if we need someone to play a game.

I'd keep 8 OL(Mack, Brunskill, Laken, Banks, McKivitz, Moore, Trent, McGlinchey) and 10 DL(AA, Bosa, Ebukam, Key, Willis, Kinlaw, Givens, Hurst, Jones, Kerr), if Ford is healthy, he takes Willis' spot. I also activate 9 DL on gamedays.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Howlett49:
I don't even think Banks competes at LG this year. The main thing that would keep Tomlinson off the roster or "beat out" Tomlinson is his salary. They could let him walk and slide Banks over to LG next year. Moore would then compete at RG. People keep acting like the OL is ready for no Tomlinson this year but it's a next year thing.

I can see Tomlinson getting an extension. Moore is a 5th rd pick who has his issues all together.

I mean ideally you could have two guys on rookie deals playing next yr, but Tomlinson really isn't as bad as people pretend him to be.

I'm in no hurry to get rid of Tomlinson but I know there will be a crunch to stay under the cap next year. I'm just hoping Banks turns out to be really good and better than Tomlinson. If that's the case then I can see them not wanting to pay Tomlinson top 5-10 LG salary which is probably what he'd want. I don't know what his contract status is and how much they could save. AB would know more.

I just think if Banks proves to be legit he saves them money sliding over to LG next year. He would hopefully be an improvement at the premier OG position. Guys like Brunskill, McKivitz, Moore and possibly whomever they draft could compete at RG.

Why would they extend a guy when they hopefully have an upgrade to take his place for cheap?

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Another alternative is to platoon Tomlinson and Moore, alternating quarters. Niners did this at right guard (and left tackle) during a Super Bowl season.

'89 - Bubba Paris/Steve Wallace at LT and Bruce Collie/Terry Tausch at RG. Worked out OK I'd say.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Howlett49:
I don't even think Banks competes at LG this year. The main thing that would keep Tomlinson off the roster or "beat out" Tomlinson is his salary. They could let him walk and slide Banks over to LG next year. Moore would then compete at RG. People keep acting like the OL is ready for no Tomlinson this year but it's a next year thing.

I can see Tomlinson getting an extension. Moore is a 5th rd pick who has his issues all together.

I mean ideally you could have two guys on rookie deals playing next yr, but Tomlinson really isn't as bad as people pretend him to be.

I agree….i disagree….IDK…all these great posts and i am just trying to catch up. I agree that Laken is LG this yr and Banks is here for one reason…last yrs matador lookout blocks at RG (as in, ball is snapped and RG spins around and yells, "LOOKOUT"). So altho IDK… i think Banks solves the RG riddle this yr, which has just been disaster unchained. I also thot of Moore at LG come 2021 because Laken would be looking at a cool $5-6Mil per. And if Moore is even close to his film, hey, it is possible he could make a run for LG this yr…but probably not unless Laken is injured. Still it is best 11 and i really like what film i have seen (not just hi lites), good feet, excellent blocker. (Smaller conference tho, so have to take that into consideration).

Banks to me is such a lock at RG it just seems like it has to happen. Great run blocker, ZBS, and great at pass pro, with excellent feet, but he also can bloc MAN/POWER.….like Moore also.
I don't see Banks moving to LG this yr even to try out . KISS…and the simple part is we are "all broke down" at RG. Banks just fixed that.

Sure Brun could play RG and play it well…but he truly is a swing OT, who can pinch hit at OG also, and in a catastrophe,, can even snap. I'd be reluctant to start him at OG with that curriculum vitae. One thing i hope we don't see is if McG does not return to his first yr ability. He was truly worth that Rd 1 pick. But then , whether injury (as has been reported…maybe Thl?), or lack of weight, (lost about 20-30 lbs), McG's production dropped way off. I hope…and pray, that he returns to the McG we drafted. But if not….then maybe Brun goes to RT. Recall the Ram game Brun at RG took on Donald and stymied his azz.
And that was a real Brun eye opener.

But i am assuming McG returns to form. Only guy not mentioned and there is just little to go on here, is McKiviitz, sure seems to have inside track on 8th OL. The guy does have the motor, no two ways about it. Just haven't seen enough to know much about him. The fun thing is we still got the INTL player from Mexico, at OL, plus guys JL has pulled into the fold for a look see. He is always full of UDFA or FA surprises.

but bottom line for us is potentially 8 starter OLs. Wouldn't that be something? Oh, and unstated but everyone knows, these boys all zone block, BUT finally we got MAN/POWER game now also. Add in a big 3rd rd RB, and…Man i can't wait for this season to start.

A bigger question is do we carry 9 OLs (my preference), or do we carry 9 DLs? I could make a case for either. Both lines just got physically beaten to krapt last yr. Now THERE's a question.

I think it's a 9th OL or a 10th DL, too much talent to let go on the DL IMO. I just don't see anyone beyond the top 8 OL worth a spot, just sign a C, G, & T to the PS if we need someone to play a game.

I'd keep 8 OL(Mack, Brunskill, Laken, Banks, McKivitz, Moore, Trent, McGlinchey) and 10 DL(AA, Bosa, Ebukam, Key, Willis, Kinlaw, Givens, Hurst, Jones, Kerr), if Ford is healthy, he takes Willis' spot. I also activate 9 DL on gamedays.

My man, AB. I wanted to say a 9th OL or a 10th DL but just couldn't do it. AB had to say it first. I know that gives us short shrift elsewhere, but you gotta have LINES to win. Looking at the DLs, we have to keep a 10th…just too much talent there to get rid of one. As for OL, we got our 8…I'll be happy with that.

BTW…are the IR rules for 2020 going to still apply this yr, anyone know for certain? Because that was extremely helpful and with a damn pandemic going on or winding down, NFL almost has to do it. They should have done this long ago, esp with the huge spike in injuries, league wide.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I think Banks beats out Tomlinson pretty easily.

totally disagree….banks has to beat brunskill at RG before he does anything.

I'm sorry, I'm talking about RG.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I think Banks beats out Tomlinson pretty easily.

totally disagree….banks has to beat brunskill at RG before he does anything.

I'm sorry, I'm talking about RG.

When we drafted Banks I assumed he was the RG.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
As a runblocker no. In PP? Yes.

He'll be between two great players this season. If there are deficiencies it will certainly show on tape.

actually no. He would start on a good percentage of NFL OLs.

Jeez, rereading this thread, I somehow knew Banks was big, but totally missed the guy is 330 and 6'5"….cripes!. Plus great feet.

I repeat…while there was.a huge caggle of fans swearing and sweating out JLs' pick at #3, a good many of those folks thot the draft was over once we didn't take the ALA QB, who we could have gotten at #13. When the pick was announced, for many our draft of Lance meant the draft was over.

After that, every pick was just mind blowing, and nailing two OLs was too much. Way too early to tell, but this draft could well go down as the best for starters in a long time.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Jeez, rereading this thread, I somehow knew Banks was big, but totally missed the guy is 330 and 6'5"….cripes!. Plus great feet.

I repeat…while there was.a huge caggle of fans swearing and sweating out JLs' pick at #3, a good many of those folks thot the draft was over once we didn't take the ALA QB, who we could have gotten at #13. When the pick was announced, for many our draft of Lance meant the draft was over.

After that, every pick was just mind blowing, and nailing two OLs was too much. Way too early to tell, but this draft could well go down as the best for starters in a long time.

I thought they were crazy for drafting 2 RBs after having signed Gallman. But, in hindsight it looks like a good move given Wilson probably misses most of the season.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
And you've said repeatedly many OLs suck. We're trying to get above "a good percentage". He can go start for them.

Yeah LT has always been above average at best in pass pro. We aren't looking to stay the same. We need to get better in pass pro and we took steps to do so with signing Mack and drafting Banks. LT and MM are far better in run blocking than in pass pro.

Snippets from The Athletic article:

Banks' father, Lamont, is a former football player, and his mother, Teresa, is a former bodybuilder. Even as a teenager who hadn't yet hit the gridiron, Banks looked the part. Given his size, it didn't take Banks long to start dominating much smaller competition on the football field. But it was Banks' ability to move his massive frame that truly differentiated him. He fielded 30 college scholarship offers, eventually choosing a Notre Dame program that valued his spatial-blocking capabilities.

"A lot of people don't realize this, but when Aaron came to El Cerrito, he didn't play football," Michael Booker, Banks' high school basketball coach, said in a recent phone interview. "He was a basketball player. He was a big kid as a freshman, but his footwork was incredible. His skill on the basketball court — he was cerebral, he knew where to be, he knew how to use his body, knew how to position it to be the scorer, to play defense. "He wasn't a dump truck. He had really quick feet. He was really agile, and he could really move. That was really surprising for a kid that big."

"We thought that this is a guy that was quick enough to attach to defenders on the second level," 49ers offensive coordinator Mike McDaniel said earlier this month. "He had a lot of skills. And yeah, we like that he's big. He's just gonna have to run fast while being big and we felt like he was a candidate to do that."

Long before Shanahan's staff nabbed him, Banks' play in high school drew the hot pursuit of a former 49ers head coach. Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh, two years after he finished his four-season stint with the 49ers, returned to the Bay Area to pursue two high-profile recruits in fall 2016. One was Antioch High running back Najee Harris, who went on to star at Alabama before the Steelers picked him in the first round of the 2021 draft. The other was Banks. Along with Oregon and Notre Dame, the Wolverines were one of three finalists in Banks' recruitment. But the lineman ultimately opted to join the Irish. Banks entered as a freshman when 49ers right tackle Mike McGlinchey, his new teammate and likely neighbor on the right side of the 49ers' front (Banks projects as the starter at right guard), was a senior at Notre Dame.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
And you've said repeatedly many OLs suck. We're trying to get above "a good percentage". He can go start for them.

I'm saying he's good enough to start on most NFL OLs... Now they added a more dynamic QB that will dictate coverages & not allow the DL to just pin their ears back and rush the passer all game...we're finally play 11 on 11 football which will improve everything on offense even your pass-pro, GM.

You don't need pro-bowl guards to have success. Mack will help a ton as well.