Aaron Banks "The Dancing Bear", OG

Originally posted by elguapo:
Yeah LT has always been above average at best in pass pro. We aren't looking to stay the same. We need to get better in pass pro and we took steps to do so with signing Mack and drafting Banks. LT and MM are far better in run blocking than in pass pro.

And we won't be the same with a more dynamic QB that can totally dictate what a defense can/can't do all game. We've literally been playing with a man down for years. LT is more than fine

That will improve everything including pass pro. I wish people would realize this.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I'm not saying you do NY - come one man, I've never said we need Pro Bowl guards to have success. You can make your point with hyperbole. We do need better guards than we've had - that's just a fact and the reason why Kyle and John invested where they did. Kyle sees it. McD sees it. Impacts both run and pass (McD's states what he saw on tape from Banks). Sure better QB play lessens the need for better guard play but at some point if you want to win championships, you're OL talent will need to win consistently. There's no way you can convince me that Mike Person was good enough for that. And given what Tampa's LOS (O and D) looks like with a good QB, I'll go on the record to say we will struggle to beat Tampa simply because their LOS talent >> 49ers right now.

We needed a better RG and I think everyone agrees there...saying we need a better LG is not a fact, just a preference from you.

Kyle and Co. made a bit of a reach with Banks IMO but they upgraded form whoever they had setup to play RG. IMO they didn't improve from Tomlinson during the off season...Moore is not better than Tomlinson at this point. We have a bunch of day 3 guys that will hopefully develop into something, but they didn't upgrade there. LT is a starting LG in the NFL. He doesn't get hurt and does his job. He's not elite, but he's not as bad as some of ya'll keep saying.

Mack was the most important move in the off season (outside of resigning TW) at OL.... center calls out the protection for the most part (the QB does play a part in that as well).

Tampa's OL was not good prior to Brady coming in (ranked 22nd in PP according to FOs, SF was 15th) They moved to 3rd overall (a pass pro) when Brady showed up...yes adding Wirfs helps, but that was one spot. QB and play calling help PP a ton end of the day.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I'm not saying you do NY - come one man, I've never said we need Pro Bowl guards to have success. You can make your point with hyperbole. We do need better guards than we've had - that's just a fact and the reason why Kyle and John invested where they did. Kyle sees it. McD sees it. Impacts both run and pass (McD's states what he saw on tape from Banks). Sure better QB play lessens the need for better guard play but at some point if you want to win championships, you're OL talent will need to win consistently. There's no way you can convince me that Mike Person was good enough for that. And given what Tampa's LOS (O and D) looks like with a good QB, I'll go on the record to say we will struggle to beat Tampa simply because their LOS talent >> 49ers right now.

We need a better RG and I think everyone agrees there...saying we need a better LG is not a fact, just a preference from you.

Kyle and Co. made a bit of a reach with Banks IMO but they upgraded form whoever they had setup to play RG. IMO they didn't improve from Tomlinson during the off season...Moore is not better than Tomlinson at this point. We have a bunch of day 3 guys that will hopefully develop into something, but they didn't upgrade there. LT is a starting LG in the NFL. He doesn't get hurt and does his job. He's not elite, but he's not as bad as some of ya'll keep saying.

Mack was the most important move in the off season (outside of resigning TW) at OL.... center calls out the protection for the most part (the QB does play a part in that as well).

Tampa's OL was not good prior to Brady coming in (ranked 22nd in PP according to FOs, SF was 15th) Their PP ranked moved to 3rd overall when Brady showed up...yes adding Wirfs helps, but that was one spot. QB and play calling help PP a ton end of the day.

tamps had a cake walk of a post season with a cherry on top (KC with no OL from injuries and a turf toed mahomes)

Buccs aint s**t

We're fine at LG, the whole right side of LG was the issue last year

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I'm not saying you do NY - come one man, I've never said we need Pro Bowl guards to have success. You can make your point with hyperbole. We do need better guards than we've had - that's just a fact and the reason why Kyle and John invested where they did. Kyle sees it. McD sees it. Impacts both run and pass (McD's states what he saw on tape from Banks). Sure better QB play lessens the need for better guard play but at some point if you want to win championships, you're OL talent will need to win consistently. There's no way you can convince me that Mike Person was good enough for that. And given what Tampa's LOS (O and D) looks like with a good QB, I'll go on the record to say we will struggle to beat Tampa simply because their LOS talent >> 49ers right now.

We needed a better RG and I think everyone agrees there...saying we need a better LG is not a fact, just a preference from you.

Kyle and Co. made a bit of a reach with Banks IMO but they upgraded form whoever they had setup to play RG. IMO they didn't improve from Tomlinson during the off season...Moore is not better than Tomlinson at this point. We have a bunch of day 3 guys that will hopefully develop into something, but they didn't upgrade there. LT is a starting LG in the NFL. He doesn't get hurt and does his job. He's not elite, but he's not as bad as some of ya'll keep saying.

Mack was the most important move in the off season (outside of resigning TW) at OL.... center calls out the protection for the most part (the QB does play a part in that as well).

Tampa's OL was not good prior to Brady coming in (ranked 22nd in PP according to FOs, SF was 15th) They moved to 3rd overall (a pass pro) when Brady showed up...yes adding Wirfs helps, but that was one spot. QB and play calling help PP a ton end of the day.

Agree with you that we needed…desperately needed…a RG. Also agree that the Mack acquisition was THE most important move of the offseason, also along with resigning big Trent.

Also agree Moore is not better than Laken at present but that was a contextual choice, big man, good feet, and Laken is going to command $5.5-6 mil per next yr. So there were double reasons to take him. One for talent in the future (AND back up in case of LG injury), Plus monetary reason. We'll see, but are the 9ers committed to $6 mil for Laken at LG in 2022? IDK. But still that was part and parcel of the pick. Downside is he came from a smaller school, but that can be coached up. If you have seen any of his Utube film, it is excellent. I am looking for him to contend for LG next yr, and hopefully not because of a LG injury this yr. Until we see Moore playing against BIGGER, FASTER, SMARTER, MEANER, STRONGER, we won't really KNOW what we have. Give him a yr tho, and i believe we will like what we see…and it won't be for $6mil per. If he can't beat out Laken, then re-sign Laken. But a yr working against Nick, Javon, AA, and for a change of pace, Ebuk, and we'll have a lot better idea . But as for now, i love the pick…and we instantly have a backup at LG in case of injury….except this yr, NO injuries.(once we get out of OTAs, that is)

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I'm not saying you do NY - come one man, I've never said we need Pro Bowl guards to have success. You can make your point with hyperbole. We do need better guards than we've had - that's just a fact and the reason why Kyle and John invested where they did. Kyle sees it. McD sees it. Impacts both run and pass (McD's states what he saw on tape from Banks). Sure better QB play lessens the need for better guard play but at some point if you want to win championships, you're OL talent will need to win consistently. There's no way you can convince me that Mike Person was good enough for that. And given what Tampa's LOS (O and D) looks like with a good QB, I'll go on the record to say we will struggle to beat Tampa simply because their LOS talent >> 49ers right now.

We needed a better RG and I think everyone agrees there...saying we need a better LG is not a fact, just a preference from you.

Kyle and Co. made a bit of a reach with Banks IMO but they upgraded form whoever they had setup to play RG. IMO they didn't improve from Tomlinson during the off season...Moore is not better than Tomlinson at this point. We have a bunch of day 3 guys that will hopefully develop into something, but they didn't upgrade there. LT is a starting LG in the NFL. He doesn't get hurt and does his job. He's not elite, but he's not as bad as some of ya'll keep saying.

Mack was the most important move in the off season (outside of resigning TW) at OL.... center calls out the protection for the most part (the QB does play a part in that as well).

Tampa's OL was not good prior to Brady coming in (ranked 22nd in PP according to FOs, SF was 15th) They moved to 3rd overall (a pass pro) when Brady showed up...yes adding Wirfs helps, but that was one spot. QB and play calling help PP a ton end of the day.

Agree with you that we needed…desperately needed…a RG. Also agree that the Mack acquisition was THE most important move of the offseason, also along with resigning big Trent.

Also agree Moore is not better than Laken at present but that was a contextual choice, big man, good feet, and Laken is going to command $5.5-6 mil per next yr. So there were double reasons to take him. One for talent in the future (AND back up in case of LG injury), Plus monetary reason. We'll see, but are the 9ers committed to $6 mil for Laken at LG in 2022? IDK. But still that was part and parcel of the pick. Downside is he came from a smaller school, but that can be coached up. If you have seen any of his Utube film, it is excellent. I am looking for him to contend for LG next yr, and hopefully not because of a LG injury this yr. Until we see Moore playing against BIGGER, FASTER, SMARTER, MEANER, STRONGER, we won't really KNOW what we have. Give him a yr tho, and i believe we will like what we see…and it won't be for $6mil per. If he can't beat out Laken, then re-sign Laken. But a yr working against Nick, Javon, AA, and for a change of pace, Ebuk, and we'll have a lot better idea . But as for now, i love the pick…and we instantly have a backup at LG in case of injury….except this yr, NO injuries.(once we get out of OTAs, that is)

I'm interested in seeing how Moore & McKivitz play at the Guard spot, Aaron Banks is penciled in, IMO, at RG, I think the 49ers wouldn't mind Laken back, at the right price of course, but they'd also be happy if Moore or McKivitz can unseat him for 2022, kind of like Hufanga taking over the SS spot.

I look back on this offseason, and I think this was the Shanahan/Lynch era's best offseason, they, IMO, may have drafted 7 long term starters, not to mention retaining Juice & Trent long term, adding vet Mack, and a young EDGE Ebukam. So If you look at what they've done since 2017, whether people agree or not, I see it like this.

They drafted the following current starters or long term starters

QB- Trey Lance
RB- Trey Sermon
WR- Brandon Aiyuk
WR- Deebo Samuel
Slot WR- Jalen Hurd or Jauan Jennings
TE- George Kittle
LG- Jaylon Moore or Colton McKivitz
Utility OL- Jaylon Moore or Colton McKivitz
RG- Aaron Banks
RT- Mike McGlinchey
DE- Nick Bosa
DT- Javon Kinlaw
NT- D.J. Jones
WLB- Dre Greenlaw
MLB- Fred Warner
CB- Ambry Thomas
Slot CB- Deommodore Lenoir
SS- Talanoa Hufanga
P- Mitch Wishnowsky

That leaves the FB, C, LT, 2nd DE, 2nd outside CB, FS, & PK, but Juice & Trent IMO fill the FB & LT spots for the long term.

Of course Mack is a great C to have, but they need to draft & develop/groom a C to learn under Mack, maybe Brunskill can be the guy.

I think it's possible Ebukam could be that long term EDGE opposite Bosa, with Armstead playing DE/DT as he is/should be apart of the teams long term plans.

I think the 49ers were hoping for Tarvarius Moore to step up in 2021, but with the Achilles injury, this now, IMO, means Ward is the FS next year.

As for the other CB, I think they hope either Verrett or Moseley get that spot.

Not to look to far into the future, but I do see Moore back in 2022, on a 1yr deal like K'Waun signed, gets like $2.5M, but only $1.2M counts against the cap.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I'm not saying you do NY - come one man, I've never said we need Pro Bowl guards to have success. You can make your point with hyperbole. We do need better guards than we've had - that's just a fact and the reason why Kyle and John invested where they did. Kyle sees it. McD sees it. Impacts both run and pass (McD's states what he saw on tape from Banks). Sure better QB play lessens the need for better guard play but at some point if you want to win championships, you're OL talent will need to win consistently. There's no way you can convince me that Mike Person was good enough for that. And given what Tampa's LOS (O and D) looks like with a good QB, I'll go on the record to say we will struggle to beat Tampa simply because their LOS talent >> 49ers right now.

We needed a better RG and I think everyone agrees there...saying we need a better LG is not a fact, just a preference from you.

Kyle and Co. made a bit of a reach with Banks IMO but they upgraded form whoever they had setup to play RG. IMO they didn't improve from Tomlinson during the off season...Moore is not better than Tomlinson at this point. We have a bunch of day 3 guys that will hopefully develop into something, but they didn't upgrade there. LT is a starting LG in the NFL. He doesn't get hurt and does his job. He's not elite, but he's not as bad as some of ya'll keep saying.

Mack was the most important move in the off season (outside of resigning TW) at OL.... center calls out the protection for the most part (the QB does play a part in that as well).

Tampa's OL was not good prior to Brady coming in (ranked 22nd in PP according to FOs, SF was 15th) They moved to 3rd overall (a pass pro) when Brady showed up...yes adding Wirfs helps, but that was one spot. QB and play calling help PP a ton end of the day.

Agree with you that we needed…desperately needed…a RG. Also agree that the Mack acquisition was THE most important move of the offseason, also along with resigning big Trent.

Also agree Moore is not better than Laken at present but that was a contextual choice, big man, good feet, and Laken is going to command $5.5-6 mil per next yr. So there were double reasons to take him. One for talent in the future (AND back up in case of LG injury), Plus monetary reason. We'll see, but are the 9ers committed to $6 mil for Laken at LG in 2022? IDK. But still that was part and parcel of the pick. Downside is he came from a smaller school, but that can be coached up. If you have seen any of his Utube film, it is excellent. I am looking for him to contend for LG next yr, and hopefully not because of a LG injury this yr. Until we see Moore playing against BIGGER, FASTER, SMARTER, MEANER, STRONGER, we won't really KNOW what we have. Give him a yr tho, and i believe we will like what we see…and it won't be for $6mil per. If he can't beat out Laken, then re-sign Laken. But a yr working against Nick, Javon, AA, and for a change of pace, Ebuk, and we'll have a lot better idea . But as for now, i love the pick…and we instantly have a backup at LG in case of injury….except this yr, NO injuries.(once we get out of OTAs, that is)

I'm interested in seeing how Moore & McKivitz play at the Guard spot, Aaron Banks is penciled in, IMO, at RG, I think the 49ers wouldn't mind Laken back, at the right price of course, but they'd also be happy if Moore or McKivitz can unseat him for 2022, kind of like Hufanga taking over the SS spot.

I look back on this offseason, and I think this was the Shanahan/Lynch era's best offseason, they, IMO, may have drafted 7 long term starters, not to mention retaining Juice & Trent long term, adding vet Mack, and a young EDGE Ebukam. So If you look at what they've done since 2017, whether people agree or not, I see it like this.

They drafted the following current starters or long term starters

QB- Trey Lance
RB- Trey Sermon
WR- Brandon Aiyuk
WR- Deebo Samuel
Slot WR- Jalen Hurd or Jauan Jennings
TE- George Kittle
LG- Jaylon Moore or Colton McKivitz
Utility OL- Jaylon Moore or Colton McKivitz
RG- Aaron Banks
RT- Mike McGlinchey
DE- Nick Bosa
DT- Javon Kinlaw
NT- D.J. Jones
WLB- Dre Greenlaw
MLB- Fred Warner
CB- Ambry Thomas
Slot CB- Deommodore Lenoir
SS- Talanoa Hufanga
P- Mitch Wishnowsky

That leaves the FB, C, LT, 2nd DE, 2nd outside CB, FS, & PK, but Juice & Trent IMO fill the FB & LT spots for the long term.

Of course Mack is a great C to have, but they need to draft & develop/groom a C to learn under Mack, maybe Brunskill can be the guy.

I think it's possible Ebukam could be that long term EDGE opposite Bosa, with Armstead playing DE/DT as he is/should be apart of the teams long term plans.

I think the 49ers were hoping for Tarvarius Moore to step up in 2021, but with the Achilles injury, this now, IMO, means Ward is the FS next year.

As for the other CB, I think they hope either Verrett or Moseley get that spot.

Not to look to far into the future, but I do see Moore back in 2022, on a 1yr deal like K'Waun signed, gets like $2.5M, but only $1.2M counts against the cap.

I know it was just an oversight, AB, but you meant to have Brun ( i think we drafted him, no?) on that OL list also. And he showed against Donald in the Rams game that he could handle him. So Brun makes the list also. Agree fully, that this was overall , the best draft JL/KS have had, with a good shot of all 7 of these guys starting within the yr and some starting immediately. Sure, we'll know more in TC, but for now, you just gotta love this draft.

It seems like the delight of signing Trey, and not taking ALA QB who we could have had at #13, was a relief. It seems that many fans kind of thot the draft was over once we took Trey. Instead, it just got better and better as the picks flew by. By days end, day 3, i was ecstatic. Every one of these guys has a good shot to become a starter or rotational player. Some talk about reaches in the 7th rd…who knows WTF in rd 7….but I still like our pick. This seems like a seminal draft for us and 3 yrs from now we'll look back and say, "damn that was a great draft". But first…they gotta all make their mark….aka "show me".

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I'm not saying you do NY - come one man, I've never said we need Pro Bowl guards to have success. You can make your point with hyperbole. We do need better guards than we've had - that's just a fact and the reason why Kyle and John invested where they did. Kyle sees it. McD sees it. Impacts both run and pass (McD's states what he saw on tape from Banks). Sure better QB play lessens the need for better guard play but at some point if you want to win championships, you're OL talent will need to win consistently. There's no way you can convince me that Mike Person was good enough for that. And given what Tampa's LOS (O and D) looks like with a good QB, I'll go on the record to say we will struggle to beat Tampa simply because their LOS talent >> 49ers right now.

We needed a better RG and I think everyone agrees there...saying we need a better LG is not a fact, just a preference from you.

Kyle and Co. made a bit of a reach with Banks IMO but they upgraded form whoever they had setup to play RG. IMO they didn't improve from Tomlinson during the off season...Moore is not better than Tomlinson at this point. We have a bunch of day 3 guys that will hopefully develop into something, but they didn't upgrade there. LT is a starting LG in the NFL. He doesn't get hurt and does his job. He's not elite, but he's not as bad as some of ya'll keep saying.

Mack was the most important move in the off season (outside of resigning TW) at OL.... center calls out the protection for the most part (the QB does play a part in that as well).

Tampa's OL was not good prior to Brady coming in (ranked 22nd in PP according to FOs, SF was 15th) They moved to 3rd overall (a pass pro) when Brady showed up...yes adding Wirfs helps, but that was one spot. QB and play calling help PP a ton end of the day.

Agree with you that we needed…desperately needed…a RG. Also agree that the Mack acquisition was THE most important move of the offseason, also along with resigning big Trent.

Also agree Moore is not better than Laken at present but that was a contextual choice, big man, good feet, and Laken is going to command $5.5-6 mil per next yr. So there were double reasons to take him. One for talent in the future (AND back up in case of LG injury), Plus monetary reason. We'll see, but are the 9ers committed to $6 mil for Laken at LG in 2022? IDK. But still that was part and parcel of the pick. Downside is he came from a smaller school, but that can be coached up. If you have seen any of his Utube film, it is excellent. I am looking for him to contend for LG next yr, and hopefully not because of a LG injury this yr. Until we see Moore playing against BIGGER, FASTER, SMARTER, MEANER, STRONGER, we won't really KNOW what we have. Give him a yr tho, and i believe we will like what we see…and it won't be for $6mil per. If he can't beat out Laken, then re-sign Laken. But a yr working against Nick, Javon, AA, and for a change of pace, Ebuk, and we'll have a lot better idea . But as for now, i love the pick…and we instantly have a backup at LG in case of injury….except this yr, NO injuries.(once we get out of OTAs, that is)

I'm interested in seeing how Moore & McKivitz play at the Guard spot, Aaron Banks is penciled in, IMO, at RG, I think the 49ers wouldn't mind Laken back, at the right price of course, but they'd also be happy if Moore or McKivitz can unseat him for 2022, kind of like Hufanga taking over the SS spot.

I look back on this offseason, and I think this was the Shanahan/Lynch era's best offseason, they, IMO, may have drafted 7 long term starters, not to mention retaining Juice & Trent long term, adding vet Mack, and a young EDGE Ebukam. So If you look at what they've done since 2017, whether people agree or not, I see it like this.

They drafted the following current starters or long term starters

QB- Trey Lance
RB- Trey Sermon
WR- Brandon Aiyuk
WR- Deebo Samuel
Slot WR- Jalen Hurd or Jauan Jennings
TE- George Kittle
LG- Jaylon Moore or Colton McKivitz
Utility OL- Jaylon Moore or Colton McKivitz
RG- Aaron Banks
RT- Mike McGlinchey
DE- Nick Bosa
DT- Javon Kinlaw
NT- D.J. Jones
WLB- Dre Greenlaw
MLB- Fred Warner
CB- Ambry Thomas
Slot CB- Deommodore Lenoir
SS- Talanoa Hufanga
P- Mitch Wishnowsky

That leaves the FB, C, LT, 2nd DE, 2nd outside CB, FS, & PK, but Juice & Trent IMO fill the FB & LT spots for the long term.

Of course Mack is a great C to have, but they need to draft & develop/groom a C to learn under Mack, maybe Brunskill can be the guy.

I think it's possible Ebukam could be that long term EDGE opposite Bosa, with Armstead playing DE/DT as he is/should be apart of the teams long term plans.

I think the 49ers were hoping for Tarvarius Moore to step up in 2021, but with the Achilles injury, this now, IMO, means Ward is the FS next year.

As for the other CB, I think they hope either Verrett or Moseley get that spot.

Not to look to far into the future, but I do see Moore back in 2022, on a 1yr deal like K'Waun signed, gets like $2.5M, but only $1.2M counts against the cap.

I know it was just an oversight, AB, but you meant to have Brun ( i think we drafted him, no?) on that OL list also. And he showed against Donald in the Rams game that he could handle him. So Brun makes the list also. Agree fully, that this was overall , the best draft JL/KS have had, with a good shot of all 7 of these guys starting within the yr and some starting immediately. Sure, we'll know more in TC, but for now, you just gotta love this draft.

It seems like the delight of signing Trey, and not taking ALA QB who we could have had at #13, was a relief. It seems that many fans kind of thot the draft was over once we took Trey. Instead, it just got better and better as the picks flew by. By days end, day 3, i was ecstatic. Every one of these guys has a good shot to become a starter or rotational player. Some talk about reaches in the 7th rd…who knows WTF in rd 7….but I still like our pick. This seems like a seminal draft for us and 3 yrs from now we'll look back and say, "damn that was a great draft". But first…they gotta all make their mark….aka "show me".

We actually got Brunskill after the AAF folded, he was playing there, along with Damontre Moore, a favorite of NC, who's unsigned.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Agree with you that we needed…desperately needed…a RG. Also agree that the Mack acquisition was THE most important move of the offseason, also along with resigning big Trent.

Also agree Moore is not better than Laken at present but that was a contextual choice, big man, good feet, and Laken is going to command $5.5-6 mil per next yr. So there were double reasons to take him. One for talent in the future (AND back up in case of LG injury), Plus monetary reason. We'll see, but are the 9ers committed to $6 mil for Laken at LG in 2022? IDK. But still that was part and parcel of the pick. Downside is he came from a smaller school, but that can be coached up. If you have seen any of his Utube film, it is excellent. I am looking for him to contend for LG next yr, and hopefully not because of a LG injury this yr. Until we see Moore playing against BIGGER, FASTER, SMARTER, MEANER, STRONGER, we won't really KNOW what we have. Give him a yr tho, and i believe we will like what we see…and it won't be for $6mil per. If he can't beat out Laken, then re-sign Laken. But a yr working against Nick, Javon, AA, and for a change of pace, Ebuk, and we'll have a lot better idea . But as for now, i love the pick…and we instantly have a backup at LG in case of injury….except this yr, NO injuries.(once we get out of OTAs, that is)

Yup we will see…Tomlinson is a FA in 2022. I don't see him making over $5Mish on a new deal and a extension makes a ton of sense.

Moore isn't beating him this yr. IMO it would be Banks to LG and Moore to RG and that's not a better OL end of the day.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I'm interested in seeing how Moore & McKivitz play at the Guard spot, Aaron Banks is penciled in, IMO, at RG, I think the 49ers wouldn't mind Laken back, at the right price of course, but they'd also be happy if Moore or McKivitz can unseat him for 2022, kind of like Hufanga taking over the SS spot.

I look back on this offseason, and I think this was the Shanahan/Lynch era's best offseason, they, IMO, may have drafted 7 long term starters, not to mention retaining Juice & Trent long term, adding vet Mack, and a young EDGE Ebukam. So If you look at what they've done since 2017, whether people agree or not, I see it like this.

They drafted the following current starters or long term starters

QB- Trey Lance
RB- Trey Sermon
WR- Brandon Aiyuk
WR- Deebo Samuel
Slot WR- Jalen Hurd or Jauan Jennings
TE- George Kittle
LG- Jaylon Moore or Colton McKivitz
Utility OL- Jaylon Moore or Colton McKivitz
RG- Aaron Banks
RT- Mike McGlinchey
DE- Nick Bosa
DT- Javon Kinlaw
NT- D.J. Jones
WLB- Dre Greenlaw
MLB- Fred Warner
CB- Ambry Thomas
Slot CB- Deommodore Lenoir
SS- Talanoa Hufanga
P- Mitch Wishnowsky

That leaves the FB, C, LT, 2nd DE, 2nd outside CB, FS, & PK, but Juice & Trent IMO fill the FB & LT spots for the long term.

Of course Mack is a great C to have, but they need to draft & develop/groom a C to learn under Mack, maybe Brunskill can be the guy.

I think it's possible Ebukam could be that long term EDGE opposite Bosa, with Armstead playing DE/DT as he is/should be apart of the teams long term plans.

I think the 49ers were hoping for Tarvarius Moore to step up in 2021, but with the Achilles injury, this now, IMO, means Ward is the FS next year.

As for the other CB, I think they hope either Verrett or Moseley get that spot.

Not to look to far into the future, but I do see Moore back in 2022, on a 1yr deal like K'Waun signed, gets like $2.5M, but only $1.2M counts against the cap.

I think any FO would love for a day 3 pick to all of a sudden became a good starter (like Greenlaw/Kittle)…not very likely most of the time.

Moore imo has a pretty narrow base and his balance/pad level are subpar. He's athletic enough for this scheme and has some monster hands.

There something to work with there and that's all you can ask for on day 3. I'm not gonna assume him, TH. or Colton will be anything more then good solid depth, which is fine based on where they were drafted.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Agree with you that we needed…desperately needed…a RG. Also agree that the Mack acquisition was THE most important move of the offseason, also along with resigning big Trent.

Also agree Moore is not better than Laken at present but that was a contextual choice, big man, good feet, and Laken is going to command $5.5-6 mil per next yr. So there were double reasons to take him. One for talent in the future (AND back up in case of LG injury), Plus monetary reason. We'll see, but are the 9ers committed to $6 mil for Laken at LG in 2022? IDK. But still that was part and parcel of the pick. Downside is he came from a smaller school, but that can be coached up. If you have seen any of his Utube film, it is excellent. I am looking for him to contend for LG next yr, and hopefully not because of a LG injury this yr. Until we see Moore playing against BIGGER, FASTER, SMARTER, MEANER, STRONGER, we won't really KNOW what we have. Give him a yr tho, and i believe we will like what we see…and it won't be for $6mil per. If he can't beat out Laken, then re-sign Laken. But a yr working against Nick, Javon, AA, and for a change of pace, Ebuk, and we'll have a lot better idea . But as for now, i love the pick…and we instantly have a backup at LG in case of injury….except this yr, NO injuries.(once we get out of OTAs, that is)

Yup we will see…Tomlinson is a FA in 2022. I don't see him making over $5Mish on a new deal and a extension makes a ton of sense.

Moore isn't beating him this yr. IMO it would be Banks to LG and Moore to RG and that's not a better OL end of the day.

Based on the LG market, https://overthecap.com/position/left-guard/, I think he gets what he's making on his current deal, $5.5M a yr, no he's not an elite talent, but there will be a demand on quality guards, so the market will be there, if anything we've learned from the pandemic for the NFL is, contracts are not going down, players are still cashing in, they're getting what they were making or more, depending on age, injury health, etc... It'd be in the 49ers best interest to extend Laken ASAP, mainly because he has a $1,005,530 dead money hit for 2022 if he's not re-signed before Feb 15th when his contract voids, also due to the voiding, we wouldn't get a comp pick for losing him.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Based on the LG market, https://overthecap.com/position/left-guard/, I think he gets what he's making on his current deal, $5.5M a yr, no he's not an elite talent, but there will be a demand on quality guards, so the market will be there, if anything we've learned from the pandemic for the NFL is, contracts are not going down, players are still cashing in, they're getting what they were making or more, depending on age, injury health, etc... It'd be in the 49ers best interest to extend Laken ASAP, mainly because he has a $1,005,530 dead money hit for 2022 if he's not re-signed before Feb 15th when his contract voids, also due to the voiding, we wouldn't get a comp pick for losing him.

The last part of this comment is what leads me to believe they're gonna give him an extension…I don't see him getting much more than I stated (around $5-$6M per). for the most part the only dudes that got "paid" with the cap issues were the top tier guys.

Crocker on Locked on 49ers, talking about Banks and he's got the same concerns I had with the pick…it was a safe pick, but overall I thought it was a reach.

he will be a better pass-protector then what we've had…the lack of mobility is concerning though especially when you're spending a top 50 pick on a OG for a OZ offense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Crocker on Locked on 49ers, talking about Banks and he's got the same concerns I had with the pick…it was a safe pick, but overall I thought it was a reach.

he will be a better pass-protector then what we've had…the lack of mobility is concerning though especially when you're spending a top 50 pick on a OG for a OZ offense.

It's really weird because a lot of the film you see of him at ND, he just didn't look explosive. His lateral movement was not good...but then you find clips of him excelling at the Senior bowl

I mean that's a big boy coming at ya lol




Big man does have some good feet.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And we won't be the same with a more dynamic QB that can totally dictate what a defense can/can't do all game. We've literally been playing with a man down for years. LT is more than fine

That will improve everything including pass pro. I wish people would realize this.

LTs play is what's in question in pass pro. Come on, how do people not realize this. We need to improve in pass protection regardless who's back there. That's like pouring perfume on a pig

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I'm not saying you do NY - come one man, I've never said we need Pro Bowl guards to have success. You can make your point with hyperbole. We do need better guards than we've had - that's just a fact and the reason why Kyle and John invested where they did. Kyle sees it. McD sees it. Impacts both run and pass (McD's states what he saw on tape from Banks). Sure better QB play lessens the need for better guard play but at some point if you want to win championships, you're OL talent will need to win consistently. There's no way you can convince me that Mike Person was good enough for that. And given what Tampa's LOS (O and D) looks like with a good QB, I'll go on the record to say we will struggle to beat Tampa simply because their LOS talent >> 49ers right now.

Yeah, it's all hyperbole and a bit extreme to say that. I do agree that a mobile qb makes the line "look" better the same as a qb with a quick release.

I'm glad our coach and GM agree with us or else we would be settling for mediocrity.

Originally posted by elguapo:
LTs play is what's in question in pass pro. Come on, how do people not realize this. We need to improve in pass protection regardless who's back there. That's like pouring perfume on a pig

Nah you're asking for pro-bowl quality play across the board when that's simply not viable in a cap space environment. LT is more than fine at LG. He would be starting on most OLs in the NFL.

People act like they understand the nuances of lineman and their responsibilities overall, when in reality most don't. They don't' understand the play-call, what the QB is suppose to do, what the receivers are suppose to do and yes the lineman. It takes everyone being on the same page for PP to work flawlessly and when it doesn't the QB has to be able to move and still make a play...that's why they make more money then anyone else.