Aaron Banks "The Dancing Bear", OG

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Nah you're asking for pro-bowl quality play across the board when that's simply not viable in a cap space environment. LT is more than fine at LG. He would be starting on most OLs in the NFL.

People act like they understand the nuances of lineman and their responsibilities overall, when in reality most don't. They don't' understand the play-call, what the QB is suppose to do, what the receivers are suppose to do and yes the lineman. It takes everyone being on the same page for PP to work flawlessly and when it doesn't the QB has to be able to move and still make a play...that's why they make more money then anyone else.

This is spot on NY. Props brother

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Crocker on Locked on 49ers, talking about Banks and he's got the same concerns I had with the pick…it was a safe pick, but overall I thought it was a reach.

he will be a better pass-protector then what we've had…the lack of mobility is concerning though especially when you're spending a top 50 pick on a OG for a OZ offense.

It's really weird because a lot of the film you see of him at ND, he just didn't look explosive. His lateral movement was not good...but then you find clips of him excelling at the Senior bowl

I mean that's a big boy coming at ya lol

Look at Aaron Banks reaching the second level in a hurry here. #SeniorBowl pic.twitter.com/RMrySuWGyU

— Inside The Draft (@Jacobkeppen) January 28, 2021

Here are #49ers rookies OL Jaylon Moore (LT) & Aaron Banks (LG) working in tandem at the @seniorbowl.

This is an A+ double-to-backer concept that created a big hole for the RB. This is a staple block in Kyle Shanahan's run game.

Timing and execution are perfect 🤌 pic.twitter.com/HpE0U2opiN

— Brad (@Graham_SFN) May 19, 2021

Check out ND guard Aaron Banks work up to the B-level and hunt up LB Tony Fields II (who Banks outweighs by 110 lbs). 👀 pic.twitter.com/lBl3KbiS6Y

— Kyle Crabbs (@GrindingTheTape) January 27, 2021

Big man does have some good feet.

That tandem of Moore and Banks was sweet. Somehow, whether he starts or not, i think Moore is starter material …IOW, we may have 6 starter OLs, and include Brun in that and there are 7. Could that possibly be?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Crocker on Locked on 49ers, talking about Banks and he's got the same concerns I had with the pick…it was a safe pick, but overall I thought it was a reach.

he will be a better pass-protector then what we've had…the lack of mobility is concerning though especially when you're spending a top 50 pick on a OG for a OZ offense.

I think Kyle wants to do more things effectively besides outside zone. Sure Brunskill can pull and execute a kickout block on a Power left play, but he won't be good at it because he isn't powerful. By drafting Banks, Kyle is sacrificing some foot speed (outside zone) to gain power and strength so he can call gap concepts and inside zone with more effectiveness - while also improving pass protection.

I posted a couple weeks ago that rookie RG3 executing the zone read was all on inside zone blocking which compares more to straight ahead drive blocking than it does to movement blocking (outside zone). There's footspeed involved too for inside zone as the OG hunts down second level defenders, but it's a physical run so size will help here. I think Banks footspeed is in the 'good enough' category for outside zone, but his size and strength will be a bonus on the non-outside zone plays. And with the zone read back on the menu, having a powerful guard will help.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
LTs play is what's in question in pass pro. Come on, how do people not realize this. We need to improve in pass protection regardless who's back there. That's like pouring perfume on a pig

Nah you're asking for pro-bowl quality play across the board when that's simply not viable in a cap space environment. LT is more than fine at LG. He would be starting on most OLs in the NFL.

People act like they understand the nuances of lineman and their responsibilities overall, when in reality most don't. They don't' understand the play-call, what the QB is suppose to do, what the receivers are suppose to do and yes the lineman. It takes everyone being on the same page for PP to work flawlessly and when it doesn't the QB has to be able to move and still make a play...that's why they make more money then anyone else.

Nah you're speaking in hyperbole like you so often do and putting words in my mouth. I'm certainly NOT "asking for pro bowl quality play across the board" SERIOUSLY dude I told you to please stop that. Is it you can't help yourself to make false representations like that or are you just using hyperbole to try to prove your argument? You can't accept the fact that LT might not be "fine" at LG in pass pro. A lot of people expect better pass protection from a LG, we've had more than enough YEARS to see he is a good run blocker but average pass protector.

Also, your theory about people not understanding the play call and or responsibilities is flawed bc other players perform better in pass pro (we have years of tape on LT) so that's just assumptions. Just call a spade a spade. You state it takes everyone being on the same page for PP to work flawlessly???? Nobody is asking for flawless pass pro, how about good/solid pass pro. Talk about extremes again.

You do realize LTs had 2 HOF Left Tackles right by him. Oh, I guess not bc you didn't even consider that. So his average pass pro could be much worse on other teams. Yet you say he would be starting on most OLs in the NFL Well we saw his body of work in Detroit and they got rid of him. BTW, Detroit had a horrible OL when he was there so don't you think a major reason for his improvement on the niners was due to Staley and Trent Williams?

I don't know about you but I'd rather have a good pass protecting OL and just a "fine" run blocking OL than vice versa. The NFL is a passing league now more than a running league.

To get back to Banks he seems a little slow getting off some of his blocks and in space but once he gets his hands on you you're done and he's like a wall to get around. So I bet he will be a bit inconsistent with the Niners but overall I think he will be good in pass protection and run blocking

Originally posted by elguapo:
Nah you're speaking in hyperbole like you so often do and putting words in my mouth. I'm certainly NOT "asking for pro bowl quality play across the board" SERIOUSLY dude I told you to please stop that. Is it you can't help yourself to make false representations like that or are you just using hyperbole to try to prove your argument? You can't accept the fact that LT might not be "fine" at LG in pass pro. A lot of people expect better pass protection from a LG, we've had more than enough YEARS to see he is a good run blocker but average pass protector.

Also, your theory about people not understanding the play call and or responsibilities is flawed bc other players perform better in pass pro (we have years of tape on LT) so that's just assumptions. Just call a spade a spade. You state it takes everyone being on the same page for PP to work flawlessly???? Nobody is asking for flawless pass pro, how about good/solid pass pro. Talk about extremes again.

You do realize LTs had 2 HOF Left Tackles right by him. Oh, I guess not bc you didn't even consider that. So his average pass pro could be much worse on other teams. Yet you say he would be starting on most OLs in the NFL Well we saw his body of work in Detroit and they got rid of him. BTW, Detroit had a horrible OL when he was there so don't you think a major reason for his improvement on the niners was due to Staley and Trent Williams?

I don't know about you but I'd rather have a good pass protecting OL and just a "fine" run blocking OL than vice versa. The NFL is a passing league now more than a running league.

To get back to Banks he seems a little slow getting off some of his blocks and in space but once he gets his hands on you you're done and he's like a wall to get around. So I bet he will be a bit inconsistent with the Niners but overall I think he will be good in pass protection and run blocking

stop trying to change the convo to make it sound like I'm attacking you or misinterpreting what you're saying…it's pretty obvious what you're saying and asking for. You said it's like putting perfume on a pig....how else would someone interpret that? You're saying LT sucks at PP and that simply isn't true...he's been fine. there was only 13 OGs that had 1K snaps with a higher PP grade then him last yr. That s**t matters, he plays. We'd all love for top end play across the board at every position, but that's not reality. You want Trent Williams, well you're probably not gonna be able to sign Thuney then.

What other players on this team that played LG have played better in pass pro in this system? I'm not saying he's never responsible for a blown pay, I'm saying people see one or two bad plays because of him SO he must be horrible in PP and it can never be an issue with something else….if you think it's him more often then not then you're wrong, plain and simple. But I'm sure you will just deflect that and say I'm putting words in your mouth

He's a good LG and never misses time. 9th overall graded OG this yr and actually had a higher PP grade then the top rated OG in Wyatt Teller. I'll bet money you put a legit QB back there and his PP grade goes up even more. In 2019 he had a 70 PP same as 6th overall graded Ali Marpet had this yr (everyone tells me how badass TB's OL is) and only 3 pts less then Joe Thuney, who just got bank.

I don't know about you….but having proper QB play improves EVERYTHING, including PP. Same goes for having a legit center, who is very important in regards to protection calls.

banks actually reminds me of Lakin when he came out of Duke…very similar players.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Crocker on Locked on 49ers, talking about Banks and he's got the same concerns I had with the pick…it was a safe pick, but overall I thought it was a reach.

he will be a better pass-protector then what we've had…the lack of mobility is concerning though especially when you're spending a top 50 pick on a OG for a OZ offense.

I think Kyle wants to do more things effectively besides outside zone. Sure Brunskill can pull and execute a kickout block on a Power left play, but he won't be good at it because he isn't powerful. By drafting Banks, Kyle is sacrificing some foot speed (outside zone) to gain power and strength so he can call gap concepts and inside zone with more effectiveness - while also improving pass protection.

I posted a couple weeks ago that rookie RG3 executing the zone read was all on inside zone blocking which compares more to straight ahead drive blocking than it does to movement blocking (outside zone). There's footspeed involved too for inside zone as the OG hunts down second level defenders, but it's a physical run so size will help here. I think Banks footspeed is in the 'good enough' category for outside zone, but his size and strength will be a bonus on the non-outside zone plays. And with the zone read back on the menu, having a powerful guard will help.

Gotcha, it's weird because you watch his film from the senior bowl and he moves a lot better than he did in ND. I know ND runs OZ and he graded out fairly well there just looked subpar moving in space.

I'm excited to see him get out there...I personally thought it was a reach and not an ideal fit (but like you said Kyle is adding other elements). IMO if you're drafting a OG in the top 50 he's gotta be a stud. Hopefully that's the case lol. For whatever it's worth I thought Banks was pretty darn similar to LT coming out of Duke.

I think Banks is coming into a great situation, playing between veteran guys on a veteran offensive line will be huge for his development. Of course there will be some hiccups but overall I believe our projected o-line this year should be far better than last year.

Ugh Banks better be a monster because we passed up some damn good talent for a freaking RG

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I hate to sound like a broken record, but Terrace #$!'-in Marshall is having a DAY #Panthers #KeepPounding

— Will Palaszczuk (@WilliePStyle) July 29, 2021

Ugh Banks better be a monster because we passed up some damn good talent for a freaking RG

You really hate OL. LOL

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
LTs play is what's in question in pass pro. Come on, how do people not realize this. We need to improve in pass protection regardless who's back there. That's like pouring perfume on a pig

Nah you're asking for pro-bowl quality play across the board when that's simply not viable in a cap space environment. LT is more than fine at LG. He would be starting on most OLs in the NFL.

People act like they understand the nuances of lineman and their responsibilities overall, when in reality most don't. They don't' understand the play-call, what the QB is suppose to do, what the receivers are suppose to do and yes the lineman. It takes everyone being on the same page for PP to work flawlessly and when it doesn't the QB has to be able to move and still make a play...that's why they make more money then anyone else.

Nah you're speaking in hyperbole like you so often do and putting words in my mouth. I'm certainly NOT "asking for pro bowl quality play across the board" SERIOUSLY dude I told you to please stop that. Is it you can't help yourself to make false representations like that or are you just using hyperbole to try to prove your argument? You can't accept the fact that LT might not be "fine" at LG in pass pro. A lot of people expect better pass protection from a LG, we've had more than enough YEARS to see he is a good run blocker but average pass protector.

Also, your theory about people not understanding the play call and or responsibilities is flawed bc other players perform better in pass pro (we have years of tape on LT) so that's just assumptions. Just call a spade a spade. You state it takes everyone being on the same page for PP to work flawlessly???? Nobody is asking for flawless pass pro, how about good/solid pass pro. Talk about extremes again.

You do realize LTs had 2 HOF Left Tackles right by him. Oh, I guess not bc you didn't even consider that. So his average pass pro could be much worse on other teams. Yet you say he would be starting on most OLs in the NFL Well we saw his body of work in Detroit and they got rid of him. BTW, Detroit had a horrible OL when he was there so don't you think a major reason for his improvement on the niners was due to Staley and Trent Williams?

I don't know about you but I'd rather have a good pass protecting OL and just a "fine" run blocking OL than vice versa. The NFL is a passing league now more than a running league.

To get back to Banks he seems a little slow getting off some of his blocks and in space but once he gets his hands on you you're done and he's like a wall to get around. So I bet he will be a bit inconsistent with the Niners but overall I think he will be good in pass protection and run blocking

Lol solid pass pro guards are basically top Gs in the NFL. There aren't many of those. So ya, you are asking for pro bowl players all across the OL.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Crocker on Locked on 49ers, talking about Banks and he's got the same concerns I had with the pick…it was a safe pick, but overall I thought it was a reach.

he will be a better pass-protector then what we've had…the lack of mobility is concerning though especially when you're spending a top 50 pick on a OG for a OZ offense.

I think Kyle wants to do more things effectively besides outside zone. Sure Brunskill can pull and execute a kickout block on a Power left play, but he won't be good at it because he isn't powerful. By drafting Banks, Kyle is sacrificing some foot speed (outside zone) to gain power and strength so he can call gap concepts and inside zone with more effectiveness - while also improving pass protection.

I posted a couple weeks ago that rookie RG3 executing the zone read was all on inside zone blocking which compares more to straight ahead drive blocking than it does to movement blocking (outside zone). There's footspeed involved too for inside zone as the OG hunts down second level defenders, but it's a physical run so size will help here. I think Banks footspeed is in the 'good enough' category for outside zone, but his size and strength will be a bonus on the non-outside zone plays. And with the zone read back on the menu, having a powerful guard will help.

Gotcha, it's weird because you watch his film from the senior bowl and he moves a lot better than he did in ND. I know ND runs OZ and he graded out fairly well there just looked subpar moving in space.

I'm excited to see him get out there...I personally thought it was a reach and not an ideal fit (but like you said Kyle is adding other elements). IMO if you're drafting a OG in the top 50 he's gotta be a stud. Hopefully that's the case lol. For whatever it's worth I thought Banks was pretty darn similar to LT coming out of Duke.

And just to chime in, Trey in college, ran a ton inside as well. Kyle had already implemented every run under the sun besides the outside zone. That's not disagreeing with your concerns but to thl's point, Kyle is sacrificing a bit for better pass protection and more versatility inside so the trade off could be huge esp. if he is adequate on outside zone too.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I hate to sound like a broken record, but Terrace #$!'-in Marshall is having a DAY #Panthers #KeepPounding

— Will Palaszczuk (@WilliePStyle) July 29, 2021

Ugh Banks better be a monster because we passed up some damn good talent for a freaking RG

You really hate OL. LOL

I guess he doesn't want to protect Lance in the future?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I hate to sound like a broken record, but Terrace #$!'-in Marshall is having a DAY #Panthers #KeepPounding

— Will Palaszczuk (@WilliePStyle) July 29, 2021

Ugh Banks better be a monster because we passed up some damn good talent for a freaking RG

You really hate OL. LOL

I guess he doesn't want to protect Lance in the future?

Not at the expense of a "skill position."

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I hate to sound like a broken record, but Terrace #$!'-in Marshall is having a DAY #Panthers #KeepPounding

— Will Palaszczuk (@WilliePStyle) July 29, 2021

Ugh Banks better be a monster because we passed up some damn good talent for a freaking RG

You really hate OL. LOL

Stop it.

you damn well know I care about OL my mocks back that up every yr…I hate reaching for a position that is not vastly important or on a player that I didn't feel was overall that special.

I'll bet you didn't even really know who Banks was before we drafted him

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
I guess he doesn't want to protect Lance in the future?

Don't think you spend a top 50 pick on a RG who really isn't that special imo.

if you're spending that draft capital on one of the least important positions on the team, he'd better be a f**king stud.