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Originally posted by NCommand:
It sounds like Aiyuk and Deebo are returning punts. Richie James might lose his job. Sounds like RB Wayne Gallman is back in the fold to make the initial 53.
Originally posted by Crown:
NC - no Jeff Wilson?
Originally posted by 60sFan:
Get ready June 1 is on Tuesday.
Originally posted by illinois9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It sounds like Aiyuk and Deebo are returning punts. Richie James might lose his job. Sounds like RB Wayne Gallman is back in the fold to make the initial 53.
I'd be willing to bet that Gallman makes the team. I don't think people realize how good he was last year once Barkley went down
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Crown:
NC - no Jeff Wilson?
Originally posted by NCommand:
2020 49ers 53-Man Roster Counts
QB: 3
RB/FB: 5
TE: 4
WR: 6
OL: 8 (26)
DL: 9
LB: 6
CB: 5
S: 4 (24)
ST: 3 (3)
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Offensive Personnel: --- 26
QB: Jimmy Garoppolo; Trey Lance & Josh Rosen
RB: Raheem Mostert; Trey Sermon, Wayne Gallman & Elijah Mitchell
FB: Kyle Juszczyk
TE: George Kittle; Charlie Woerner & Ross Dwelley
XWR: Brandon Aiyuk; Travis Benjamin
SWR/F: Trent Sherfield; Mohamed Sanu
ZWR/F: Deebo Samuel; Jalen Hurd
LT: Trent Williams; Shon Coleman
LG: Laken Tomlinson; Colton McKivitz
C: Alex Mack; Daniel Brunskill
RG: Aaron Banks; Jaylon Moore
RT: Mike McGlinchey
Defensive Personnel: --- 24
LDE/W9: Arik Armstead; Samson Ebukam & Dee Ford
2i: D.J. Jones; Zach Kerr
3T: Javon Kinlaw; Maurice Hurst Jr.
RDE/W9: Nick Bosa; Jordan Willis
SAM/SS: Azeez Al-Shaair; Marcell Harris
MIKE: Fred Warner; James Burgess
WILL: Dre Greenlaw; Nathan Gerry
RCB: Emmanuel Moseley; Ambrey Thomas
SCB: K'Waun Williams; Deommodore Lenoir
LCB: Jason Verrett
FS: Jimmie Ward; Tarvarius Moore
SS: Jaquiski Tartt; Talanoa Hufanga
Special Teams: --- 3
LS: Taybor Pepper
PK: Robbie Gould
P: Mitch Wishnowsky
KOR: Travis Benjamin & Ambry Thomas
PR: Travis Benjamin
GR: Trent Sherfield & Tarvarius Moore
Practice Squad: --- 16
QB Nate Sudfeld
RB JaMycal Hasty
FB Josh Hokit
TE Josh Pederson
TE Daniel Helm
WR Kevin White
WR Jauan Jennings
T/G Justin Skule
C Jake Brendel
ER Alex Barrett
2i Darrion Daniels
MIKE Justin Hilliard
WILL Elijah Sullivan
CB Ken Webster
CB Jared Mayden
FS Kai Nacua
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
No Arden Key? I think Key makes it over Willis if it comes down to that, No Watkins on the PS? I don't get why you keep Rosen over Sudfeld, Rosen has less experience, and hasn't shown anything. Do you think Dee will be ready week 1? Why no James at WR? Why Sanu? What about Givens?
Also with this roster, the 49ers would have just $5,973,173 in cap room.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:AB....just wanted to say, man, that your work is truly amazing. Have you been hired on by the team yet?
My latest roster projection, https://49erscap.com/index.php/2021/05/24/2021-49ers-projected-53-man-roster-plus-practice-squad-injured-lists-plus-cap-implications-2-0/
2021 49ers Roster:
QB(3): 10 Jimmy Garoppolo(2022)/ 5 Trey Lance(2024)/ 7 Nate Sudfeld(2021)
RB(4): 31 Raheem Mostert(2021)/ 30 Jeff Wilson Jr.(2021)/ 28 Trey Sermon(2024)/ 49 Elijah Mitchell(2024)
FB(1): 44 Kyle Juszyzck(2025)
WR(6): 11 Brandon Aiyuk(2023)/ 19 Deebo Samuel(2022)/ 81 Trent Sherfield(2021)/ 13 Richie James Jr.(2021)/ 14 Jalen Hurd(2022)/ 7 Austin Watkins Jr.(2023)
TE(3): 85 George Kittle(2025)/ 82 Ross Dwelley(2021)/ 89 Charlie Woerner(2023)
C(2): 50 Alex Mack(2023)/ 60 Daniel Brunskill(2021)
OG(3): 75 Laken Tomlinson(2021)/ 65 Aaron Banks(2024)/ 68 Colton McKivitz(2023)
OT(4): 71 Trent Williams(2026)/ 69 Mike McGlinchey(2022)/ 76 Jaylon Moore(2024)/ 67 Justin Skule(2022)
DE(5): 97 Nick Bosa(2022)/ 91 Arik Armstead(2024)/ 56 Samson Ebukam(2022)/ 98 Arden Key(2021)/ 94 Jordan Willis(2021)/ 55 Dee Ford(2022)*PUP or Short Term IR*
DT(2): 99 Javon Kinlaw(2023)/ 96 Maurice Hurst Jr.(2021)/ 90 Kevin Givens(2021)*SUSPENDED*
NT(2): 93 D.J. Jones(2021)/ 92 Zach Kerr(2021)
LB(4): 54 Fred Warner(2021)/ 57 Dre Greenlaw(2022)/ 51 Azeez Al-Shaair(2021)/ 58 Justin Hilliard(2023)
CB(6): 2 Jason Verrett(2021)/ 4 Emmanuel Moseley(2022)/ 24 K'Waun Williams(2021)/ 41 Ambry Thomas(2024)/ 38 Deommodore Lenoir(2024)/ 27 Dontae Johnson(2021)
FS(2): 20 Jimmie Ward(2022)/ 33 Tarvarius Moore(2021)
SS(3): 26 Jaquiski Tartt(2021)/ 36 Marcell Harris(2021)/ 29 Talanoa Hufanga(2024)
PK(1): 9 Robbie Gould(2022)
P(1): 6 Mitch Wishnowsky(2022)
LS(1): 46 Taybor Pepper(2022)
Practice Squad:
RB 22 Wayne Gallman Jr.*
RB 23 JaMycal Hasty
FB 40 Josh Hokit
WR 15 Jauan Jennings
TE 83 Josh Pederson
C 64 Jake Brendel*
RG 61 Dakoda Shepley
LT 78 Shon Coleman*
OT 77 Alfredo Guiterrez**
DE 64 Alex Barrett
NT 65 Darrion Daniels
SLB 59 Elijah Sullivan
MLB 47 Nathan Gerry*
WLB 45 Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles
CB 35 Tim Harris Jr.
FS 7 Jared Mayden
FS 32 Tavon Wilson*
*- Denotes 1 of allowed 6 players on the practice squad with 3 or more accrued years.
**- Denotes a player who should be exempt from the total of 16 players on the practice squad due to the international pathway program.
This roster, 53-man roster, 17 practice squad players, 1 player on IR or PUP, and 1 Suspended player, would account for $174,255,338, with $14,583,911 in dead money, which would leave the team with just $7,306,773 in cap room for 2021.
Now the 49ers will need to extend All Pro MLB Fred Warner to a new deal, which should take away at least $3 million in 2021 salary cap room, which would leave the team with just $4,306,773 in cap room.
The players on my 53 who have their jobs secured IMO are below.
QB Garopoolo, QB Lance, RB Mostert, RB Wilson, RB Sermon, RB Mitchell, FB Juszcyzk, WR Aiyuk, WR Samuel, WR Hurd, WR Sherfield, WR James, TE Kittle, TE Dwelley, TE Woerner, C Mack, C Brunskill, LG Tomlinson, LG McKivitz, RG Banks, LT Williams, LT Moore, RT McGlinchey, DE Bosa, DE Armstead, DE Ebukam, DE Key, DT Kinlaw, DT Hurst, NT Jones, NT Kerr, MLB Warner, WLB Greenlaw, CB Verrett, CB Moseley, CB Williams, CB Thomas, CB Lenior, FS Ward, FS Moore, SS Tartt, SS Harris, SS Hufanga, PK Gould, P Wishnowsky, & LS Pepper.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Love the questions!
Key was a late addition and just hasn't been a quality player thus far. He's on the outside looking in but will complete better in W9. Willis already knows the defense and played solid in rotation last year and now gets a full off season; upside in our system. Watkins is an UDFA who struggles getting off press (easy PS player but may not even be that). Rosen is just a more talented player who's been exposed to our system with more upside and Sudfeld is the perfect PS QB who has coach connections but needs to learn this offense. Dee is on the roster no matter what but I doubt he plays (hence Ebukam). I heard about six new guys were fielding punts including Deebo and Aiyuk and I think Kyle is done with the micro-WR's at slot (can't block esp. for inside zone); that leaves James on the outside. Kyle covets experienced veterans with speed/size and ST at WR3-6. Givens-type DL are a dime a dozen and I think Kocurek goes with the veterans along the DL this time in the rotation. Kyle has shown he prefers veteran depth at S, LB, DL, ST and WR.
PS: Thanks for the cap projection. Always huge in the final 53.
Who you got in debate and why?
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Love the questions!
Key was a late addition and just hasn't been a quality player thus far. He's on the outside looking in but will complete better in W9. Willis already knows the defense and played solid in rotation last year and now gets a full off season; upside in our system. Watkins is an UDFA who struggles getting off press (easy PS player but may not even be that). Rosen is just a more talented player who's been exposed to our system with more upside and Sudfeld is the perfect PS QB who has coach connections but needs to learn this offense. Dee is on the roster no matter what but I doubt he plays (hence Ebukam). I heard about six new guys were fielding punts including Deebo and Aiyuk and I think Kyle is done with the micro-WR's at slot (can't block esp. for inside zone); that leaves James on the outside. Kyle covets experienced veterans with speed/size and ST at WR3-6. Givens-type DL are a dime a dozen and I think Kocurek goes with the veterans along the DL this time in the rotation. Kyle has shown he prefers veteran depth at S, LB, DL, ST and WR.
PS: Thanks for the cap projection. Always huge in the final 53.
Who you got in debate and why?
I get this.
For Key, they gave him some GTD money, and I think he's better than Willis is, and if Dee isn't gonna play, why waste a spot on the 53? Just PUP or Short Term IR him.
Watkins wise, I'd think he at least makes the PS, gave him $105K GTD, I also won't put the one play vs Lenoir against him.
Rosen vs Sudfeld is easy to me, Rosen just isn't the guy I'd feel happy with if Jimmy or Lance went down as #2, Sudfeld aint much better, but he'll learn the system, plus cutting Sudfeld leaves $252K in dead money that they won't get back till 2022. Ideally we go 2 QBs, but not likely.
Givens, I should have specified, do you have him as suspended, cause I think he gets suspended 2-4 weeks, if he's convicted he's cut.
I don't want Aiyuk or Deebo as a returner, I also don't want Sanu anywhere near this roster, by having him and Benjamin on week 1 53 it guarantees their salaries for 2021, hard pill to swallow if neither play well, then $915K(Sanu) and $1.075M(Benjamin) have just been wasted. I just think James might surprise some.
I have as of now, this in my mind.
QB(3): Garoppolo/ Lance/ Sudfeld
RB(4): Mostert/ Sermon/ Gallman/ Mitchell (Wilson on PUP)
FB(1): Juice
WR(6): Aiyuk/ Deebo/ Sherfield/ James/ Hurd/ Not sure, I need to see guys like Watkins, Benjamin, Sanu, & Jennings out there in preseason.
TE(3): Kittle/ Dwelley/ Woerner
OL(9): Trent/ Laken/ Mack/ Banks/ McGlinchey/ McKivitz/ Moore/ Brunskill/ Skule
DL(9): AA/ Bosa/ Ebukam/ Key/ Willis/ Kinlaw/ Hurst/ Jones/ Kerr (Dee on short term IR or PUP)
LB(4): Warner/ Dre/ Al-Shaair/ not sure on this too, I need to see Burgess, Hilliard, Sullivan, DFF, Gerry, & Griffith in preseason.
CB(6): Verrett/ Moseley/ K'Waun/ Thomas/ Lenoir/ Johnson
FS(2): Ward/ Moore
SS(3): Tartt/ Harris/ Hufanga
ST(3): Gould/ Wish/ Pepper
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Love the questions!
Key was a late addition and just hasn't been a quality player thus far. He's on the outside looking in but will complete better in W9. Willis already knows the defense and played solid in rotation last year and now gets a full off season; upside in our system. Watkins is an UDFA who struggles getting off press (easy PS player but may not even be that). Rosen is just a more talented player who's been exposed to our system with more upside and Sudfeld is the perfect PS QB who has coach connections but needs to learn this offense. Dee is on the roster no matter what but I doubt he plays (hence Ebukam). I heard about six new guys were fielding punts including Deebo and Aiyuk and I think Kyle is done with the micro-WR's at slot (can't block esp. for inside zone); that leaves James on the outside. Kyle covets experienced veterans with speed/size and ST at WR3-6. Givens-type DL are a dime a dozen and I think Kocurek goes with the veterans along the DL this time in the rotation. Kyle has shown he prefers veteran depth at S, LB, DL, ST and WR.
PS: Thanks for the cap projection. Always huge in the final 53.
Who you got in debate and why?
I get this.
For Key, they gave him some GTD money, and I think he's better than Willis is, and if Dee isn't gonna play, why waste a spot on the 53? Just PUP or Short Term IR him.
Watkins wise, I'd think he at least makes the PS, gave him $105K GTD, I also won't put the one play vs Lenoir against him.
Rosen vs Sudfeld is easy to me, Rosen just isn't the guy I'd feel happy with if Jimmy or Lance went down as #2, Sudfeld aint much better, but he'll learn the system, plus cutting Sudfeld leaves $252K in dead money that they won't get back till 2022. Ideally we go 2 QBs, but not likely.
Givens, I should have specified, do you have him as suspended, cause I think he gets suspended 2-4 weeks, if he's convicted he's cut.
I don't want Aiyuk or Deebo as a returner, I also don't want Sanu anywhere near this roster, by having him and Benjamin on week 1 53 it guarantees their salaries for 2021, hard pill to swallow if neither play well, then $915K(Sanu) and $1.075M(Benjamin) have just been wasted. I just think James might surprise some.
I have as of now, this in my mind.
QB(3): Garoppolo/ Lance/ Sudfeld
RB(4): Mostert/ Sermon/ Gallman/ Mitchell (Wilson on PUP)
FB(1): Juice
WR(6): Aiyuk/ Deebo/ Sherfield/ James/ Hurd/ Not sure, I need to see guys like Watkins, Benjamin, Sanu, & Jennings out there in preseason.
TE(3): Kittle/ Dwelley/ Woerner
OL(9): Trent/ Laken/ Mack/ Banks/ McGlinchey/ McKivitz/ Moore/ Brunskill/ Skule
DL(9): AA/ Bosa/ Ebukam/ Key/ Willis/ Kinlaw/ Hurst/ Jones/ Kerr (Dee on short term IR or PUP)
LB(4): Warner/ Dre/ Al-Shaair/ not sure on this too, I need to see Burgess, Hilliard, Sullivan, DFF, Gerry, & Griffith in preseason.
CB(6): Verrett/ Moseley/ K'Waun/ Thomas/ Lenoir/ Johnson
FS(2): Ward/ Moore
SS(3): Tartt/ Harris/ Hufanga
ST(3): Gould/ Wish/ Pepper
Great stuff, man. Truly. You always give me a lot to consider in these discussions.
I'm with you in that I do see a legit battle with Willis and Key. That should be a fun battle!
Gotcha on Dee...that could keep a spot open and give Dee yet, more time to recover and potentially add something later in the season.
It was noted Watkins was struggling getting off from every CB but it's way early. He has that Kendrick Bourne 2.0 pathway if he wants it.
Rosen vs. Sudfeld vs. keeping just 2 QB's. Love it!
With Givens, I don't think his legal matters, matter. We've got some very legit veterans now and crazy interior depth.
Could this be the year they get serious about a returner or just have another fair-catcher? I remember in the Pettis thread posting a video (IIRC) of Shanahan talking about having no issues using a starter as a returner as field position and a weapon there is important to him. Keep an eye on the practice reports. I like James too. I just don't see his path ATM. But he's made it every year. This may not be any different with a great off season.
Benjamin (speed at X) and as a returner and Sanu, only 31, could probably be a very effective slot WR for a long time esp. if Hurd/Jennings don't take the reigns.
I think your list really captures the camp battles we're looking forward to for those final 6 or so roster spots.
Originally posted by 60sFan:
Pretty much in agreement with AB. I think they really want Hurd and Jennings to round out the 6 WRs. Jennings was running with the first team at the OTAs and heard he looked pretty effective.
I too think they go with 4 LBs and 5 safeties with Harris and possibly Hulfanga playing some LB.
Key definitely has a chance to make roster and be a main rotation guy if he takes to being coached up.
I still have a feeling that Coleman might beat out Skule.
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