***The Forever Official 53-MAN ROSTER/DEPTH CHART/PS Thread***

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:
A couple key notes from Aponte today:

Demetrius Flannigan Fowles took first-team reps with Dre Greenlaw not present.

Brandon Aiyuk, Travis Benjamin, Mohamed Sanu, and Deebo Samuel all participated in kick return drills.

The QB3 battle is leaning towards Sudfeld right now.

Elijah Mitchell is the best receiving back on the team right now and runs like he's shot out of a cannon

I'm revising my 53, taking out Burgess for Flannigan-Fowles.

I'm stuck at QB, Sudfeld has more experience, Rosen has higher upside, I really want to just have 2 QBs, keep someone extra that we may lose if cut.

At WR, I'm kind of down to Jennings or Benjamin, but if they keep Benjamin, and Sherfield, plus Hurd, who sits? Aiyuk, Deebo are locks, then you'd have 3 of Sanu, Sherfield, Hurd, & Jennings or Benjamin, issue for me is, keeping Sanu & Benjamin guarantees there contracts.

Do we go just 3 RBs? Gallman to PS? if we go 4, who sits? Gallman or Mitchell? I was hoping Mitchell would get reps at KR.

Exactly. I'm right there with you. I'm stuck on the 4th TE or 7th WR or 9th OL. Defense is pretty well set though save for that 5th LB.

I forgot to add that Moore has been taking most snaps at T d/t the Skule injury. So more of a T/G at this point than G.

Originally posted by Crown:
Nice AB.

Is Jordan Matthews really eligible for PS? seems like he has been in a league a long time.

Like AB was alluding to, you get a designated number of veterans now whom you can add to the PS.

Originally posted by genus49:
We're not cutting Jimmy with a SB caliber roster. Stop this nonsense.

Still feeling the same? I agree they are not cutting. I just said he won't be on opening day roster.

Originally posted by 60sFan:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 60sFan:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
No way they cut Jimmy, i don't care what anyone says, if they did that, it would effect the locker room, it would make Kyle look like a liar, he said Jimmy is here for 2021.

Curious. If Trey beats out Jimmy, you think Kyle keep him as a back up?

First, I doubt that Lance beats out Jimmy. He doesn't have enough experience. Second your whole reasoning flies in the face of what Shanahan himself has said. The goal this year was to improve the QB room. They like Jimmy because he wins when he plays, the problem is that he hasn't been able to play as much as they would like and the back-ups they had couldn't get it done when he was out. Now you're suggesting that they go back to the same situation that prompted them to trade for Lance in the first place. Except instead of having an experienced starter with two subpar back-ups you have a rookie starter who lacks experience and two journeymen back-ups. Genius.

Lance is only 21 years old, he has time to sit and learn how the NFL game is played. There is absolutely no reason to rush him onto the field unless Jimmy can't get it done for some reason other than the usual biases of the people who come in here to talk s**t about him all the time, I imagine he will be the starter throughout the season with Lance coming in under certain conditions like late game blowouts, or with specific play designs. Lynch and Kyle went to York before they made the deal for Lance to see if he was okay with paying Jimmy for the year, to which he said yes, so the money invested in the QB position this year is going to be the same regardless of who is starting and who is sitting. I think the only thing that would change that is if Jimmy decided he didn't like being benched for a rookie if he believes he has been playing well enough to keep the job. He is very popular in the locker room and Shanahan would be playing with fire if he benched Jimmy for any other reason then consistently terrible play, a lesson that Jim Harbaugh had to learn the hard way. So far consistently bad play hasn't been Jimmy's MO . He'll throw the occasional head scratcher but he has also shown he can really ball out and I suspect when all is said and done that, for the moment at least, he is the guy who will give them the best chance to win. If things go south and the team falls out of contention then I suspect Lance might see more opportunities. Time will tell I guess. Go Niners!

That's a key thing, Jed said he has no issue paying both JG and Trey, the 49ers(Lynch) said they budgeted for Jimmy's cap number, they'll be around $4.5M to $5.5M under by my projections, it's not like they need that $25M, no one who needs a new deal is even eligible(Bosa, Deebo, Dre, etc...), they're not extending McGlinchey since they picked his 5th yr option up, they likely want to see him rebound before committing the kind of money for a RT. No reason to overpay for any FA out there right now, they've been unsigned since March for a reason, Ingram wanted more than anyone would offer, KC wanted him, but couldn't afford $4M but PIT could.

Also I know the whole, well TB and KC brought everyone back and added(KC), yeah well, look at structure, TB used 4 void years on almost everyone of their signings to get them under the cap, KC redid every deal they could to get Thuney, and others signed, if we go out and do that, it's just the dumbest thing to do, I always hated redoing deals, or the void years, it just pushed issues down the line, look at GB, they redid Rodgers to add more cap room this yr to get Randall Cobb, who Aaron wanted, and probably to extend Adams, but in 2022, they're $35M(pre Rodgers redo) OVER the $208.2M ceiling.

I understand your arguments. The facts you guys are presenting are actual. The main part of both arguments comes down to whether or not Lance wins the starting position in training camp. I say he will.

It was said already that Lance has absorbed and understands the whole playbook by most sources close to beat writers like Maiocco, Barrows, etc. For instance, Maiocco said he had never seen a new QB improve so quickly during OTA's.

The things you mentioned Shanahan said are true. I just think he has an ulterior motive.

Pump and Dump. I think Shanahan wants Jimmy gone. Ever since they moved up to #3 overall to get Lance, he has curbed his criticisms and faint praises for more positive praises. Very little is said about Tray by him or Lynch. They desperately want something in return for Jimmy. He has to make it appear that Jimmy is the starter and is valuable. Also, it is smart to keep Jimmy around to make sure Tray makes the progress necessary before letting Jimmy go.

The players will have a front row seat to see Tray beat out Jimmy. And that's what Kyle is counting on. Should that happen, no way they keep Jimmy as a backup. That's when problems will occur in the locker room. I would think it's better to either roll over the cap savings by releasing/trading Jimmy or get some added support players like an ER like Justin Houston, or another veteran CB/S.

I know I am out on a limb. This is just my opinion of how I read Kyle and what he will do. We will soon know.

You guys still feeling the same?

QB- (2) Trey, Rosen
RB- (4) Mostert, Sermon, Gallman, Mitchell
FB- (1) Juszczyk
WR- (6) Aiyuk, Deebo, Sanu, James, Jennings, Sherfield
TE- (4) Kittle, Dwelley, Mathews, Woerner
OL- (8) T.Williams, Tomlinson, Mack, Banks, McGlinchey, Brunskill, Moore, McKivitz
DL- (10) Bosa, Kinlaw, Armstead, Ebukam, Key, Jones, Kerr, Hurst Jr, Givens, Ford
LB- (5) Warner, Greenlaw, Al-Shaair, Flan, Harris
CB- (6) Verrett, Mosley, K.Williams, Thomas, Lenior, Johnson
S - (4) Ward, Tartt, Jefferson, Hulfanga
K- (1) Gould
P- (1) Wishnowsky
LS- (1) Pepper

PUP
Wilson
Moore

Concerned about Hurd. missed 2 practices in a row. 1st was supposedly a "maintenance day" but he missed the next day as well.

Originally posted by 60sFan:

Originally posted by 60sFan:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 60sFan:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
No way they cut Jimmy, i don't care what anyone says, if they did that, it would effect the locker room, it would make Kyle look like a liar, he said Jimmy is here for 2021.

Curious. If Trey beats out Jimmy, you think Kyle keep him as a back up?

First, I doubt that Lance beats out Jimmy. He doesn't have enough experience. Second your whole reasoning flies in the face of what Shanahan himself has said. The goal this year was to improve the QB room. They like Jimmy because he wins when he plays, the problem is that he hasn't been able to play as much as they would like and the back-ups they had couldn't get it done when he was out. Now you're suggesting that they go back to the same situation that prompted them to trade for Lance in the first place. Except instead of having an experienced starter with two subpar back-ups you have a rookie starter who lacks experience and two journeymen back-ups. Genius.

Lance is only 21 years old, he has time to sit and learn how the NFL game is played. There is absolutely no reason to rush him onto the field unless Jimmy can't get it done for some reason other than the usual biases of the people who come in here to talk s**t about him all the time, I imagine he will be the starter throughout the season with Lance coming in under certain conditions like late game blowouts, or with specific play designs. Lynch and Kyle went to York before they made the deal for Lance to see if he was okay with paying Jimmy for the year, to which he said yes, so the money invested in the QB position this year is going to be the same regardless of who is starting and who is sitting. I think the only thing that would change that is if Jimmy decided he didn't like being benched for a rookie if he believes he has been playing well enough to keep the job. He is very popular in the locker room and Shanahan would be playing with fire if he benched Jimmy for any other reason then consistently terrible play, a lesson that Jim Harbaugh had to learn the hard way. So far consistently bad play hasn't been Jimmy's MO . He'll throw the occasional head scratcher but he has also shown he can really ball out and I suspect when all is said and done that, for the moment at least, he is the guy who will give them the best chance to win. If things go south and the team falls out of contention then I suspect Lance might see more opportunities. Time will tell I guess. Go Niners!

That's a key thing, Jed said he has no issue paying both JG and Trey, the 49ers(Lynch) said they budgeted for Jimmy's cap number, they'll be around $4.5M to $5.5M under by my projections, it's not like they need that $25M, no one who needs a new deal is even eligible(Bosa, Deebo, Dre, etc...), they're not extending McGlinchey since they picked his 5th yr option up, they likely want to see him rebound before committing the kind of money for a RT. No reason to overpay for any FA out there right now, they've been unsigned since March for a reason, Ingram wanted more than anyone would offer, KC wanted him, but couldn't afford $4M but PIT could.

Also I know the whole, well TB and KC brought everyone back and added(KC), yeah well, look at structure, TB used 4 void years on almost everyone of their signings to get them under the cap, KC redid every deal they could to get Thuney, and others signed, if we go out and do that, it's just the dumbest thing to do, I always hated redoing deals, or the void years, it just pushed issues down the line, look at GB, they redid Rodgers to add more cap room this yr to get Randall Cobb, who Aaron wanted, and probably to extend Adams, but in 2022, they're $35M(pre Rodgers redo) OVER the $208.2M ceiling.

I understand your arguments. The facts you guys are presenting are actual. The main part of both arguments comes down to whether or not Lance wins the starting position in training camp. I say he will.

It was said already that Lance has absorbed and understands the whole playbook by most sources close to beat writers like Maiocco, Barrows, etc. For instance, Maiocco said he had never seen a new QB improve so quickly during OTA's.

The things you mentioned Shanahan said are true. I just think he has an ulterior motive.

Pump and Dump. I think Shanahan wants Jimmy gone. Ever since they moved up to #3 overall to get Lance, he has curbed his criticisms and faint praises for more positive praises. Very little is said about Tray by him or Lynch. They desperately want something in return for Jimmy. He has to make it appear that Jimmy is the starter and is valuable. Also, it is smart to keep Jimmy around to make sure Tray makes the progress necessary before letting Jimmy go.

The players will have a front row seat to see Tray beat out Jimmy. And that's what Kyle is counting on. Should that happen, no way they keep Jimmy as a backup. That's when problems will occur in the locker room. I would think it's better to either roll over the cap savings by releasing/trading Jimmy or get some added support players like an ER like Justin Houston, or another veteran CB/S.

I know I am out on a limb. This is just my opinion of how I read Kyle and what he will do. We will soon know.

You guys still feeling the same?

Yes. Lance has one year of college experience in a Division II school. He doesn't even know yet what he doesn't know about playing the game at the NFL level. He seems to have a lot of potential and upside but there is no reason to turn what many consider to be a Super Bowl quality roster over to someone who has never taken a snap in the NFL. Especially when you have a QB on the roster who has already won a bunch of hard fought games and taken your team to the championship. Like I said he's only 21 he has plenty of time to develop into an NFL starter. He will almost certainly have opportunities to play this year if Jimmy doesn't play well he may have even more opportunities than expected. But experience is a valuable trait, maybe one of the most valuable in certain situations, and right now Jimmy has a notable advantage in that regard and that isn't something you can discount. Getting rid of him only weakens your roster at this point. I mean if Lance were to get hurt would you really want Josh Rosen Quarterbacking the team? I don't think so.

Originally posted by 60sFan:
QB- (2) Trey, Rosen
RB- (4) Mostert, Sermon, Gallman, Mitchell
FB- (1) Juszczyk
WR- (6) Aiyuk, Deebo, Sanu, James, Jennings, Sherfield
TE- (4) Kittle, Dwelley, Mathews, Woerner
OL- (8) T.Williams, Tomlinson, Mack, Banks, McGlinchey, Brunskill, Moore, McKivitz
DL- (10) Bosa, Kinlaw, Armstead, Ebukam, Key, Jones, Kerr, Hurst Jr, Givens, Ford
LB- (5) Warner, Greenlaw, Al-Shaair, Flan, Harris
CB- (6) Verrett, Mosley, K.Williams, Thomas, Lenior, Johnson
S - (4) Ward, Tartt, Jefferson, Hulfanga
K- (1) Gould
P- (1) Wishnowsky
LS- (1) Pepper

PUP
Wilson
Moore

Concerned about Hurd. missed 2 practices in a row. 1st was supposedly a "maintenance day" but he missed the next day as well.

Only Trey and Rosen would be the worst QB room in the past 20 years.

ZERO chance that happens.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 60sFan:

Originally posted by 60sFan:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 60sFan:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
No way they cut Jimmy, i don't care what anyone says, if they did that, it would effect the locker room, it would make Kyle look like a liar, he said Jimmy is here for 2021.

Curious. If Trey beats out Jimmy, you think Kyle keep him as a back up?

First, I doubt that Lance beats out Jimmy. He doesn't have enough experience. Second your whole reasoning flies in the face of what Shanahan himself has said. The goal this year was to improve the QB room. They like Jimmy because he wins when he plays, the problem is that he hasn't been able to play as much as they would like and the back-ups they had couldn't get it done when he was out. Now you're suggesting that they go back to the same situation that prompted them to trade for Lance in the first place. Except instead of having an experienced starter with two subpar back-ups you have a rookie starter who lacks experience and two journeymen back-ups. Genius.

Lance is only 21 years old, he has time to sit and learn how the NFL game is played. There is absolutely no reason to rush him onto the field unless Jimmy can't get it done for some reason other than the usual biases of the people who come in here to talk s**t about him all the time, I imagine he will be the starter throughout the season with Lance coming in under certain conditions like late game blowouts, or with specific play designs. Lynch and Kyle went to York before they made the deal for Lance to see if he was okay with paying Jimmy for the year, to which he said yes, so the money invested in the QB position this year is going to be the same regardless of who is starting and who is sitting. I think the only thing that would change that is if Jimmy decided he didn't like being benched for a rookie if he believes he has been playing well enough to keep the job. He is very popular in the locker room and Shanahan would be playing with fire if he benched Jimmy for any other reason then consistently terrible play, a lesson that Jim Harbaugh had to learn the hard way. So far consistently bad play hasn't been Jimmy's MO . He'll throw the occasional head scratcher but he has also shown he can really ball out and I suspect when all is said and done that, for the moment at least, he is the guy who will give them the best chance to win. If things go south and the team falls out of contention then I suspect Lance might see more opportunities. Time will tell I guess. Go Niners!

That's a key thing, Jed said he has no issue paying both JG and Trey, the 49ers(Lynch) said they budgeted for Jimmy's cap number, they'll be around $4.5M to $5.5M under by my projections, it's not like they need that $25M, no one who needs a new deal is even eligible(Bosa, Deebo, Dre, etc...), they're not extending McGlinchey since they picked his 5th yr option up, they likely want to see him rebound before committing the kind of money for a RT. No reason to overpay for any FA out there right now, they've been unsigned since March for a reason, Ingram wanted more than anyone would offer, KC wanted him, but couldn't afford $4M but PIT could.

Also I know the whole, well TB and KC brought everyone back and added(KC), yeah well, look at structure, TB used 4 void years on almost everyone of their signings to get them under the cap, KC redid every deal they could to get Thuney, and others signed, if we go out and do that, it's just the dumbest thing to do, I always hated redoing deals, or the void years, it just pushed issues down the line, look at GB, they redid Rodgers to add more cap room this yr to get Randall Cobb, who Aaron wanted, and probably to extend Adams, but in 2022, they're $35M(pre Rodgers redo) OVER the $208.2M ceiling.

I understand your arguments. The facts you guys are presenting are actual. The main part of both arguments comes down to whether or not Lance wins the starting position in training camp. I say he will.

It was said already that Lance has absorbed and understands the whole playbook by most sources close to beat writers like Maiocco, Barrows, etc. For instance, Maiocco said he had never seen a new QB improve so quickly during OTA's.

The things you mentioned Shanahan said are true. I just think he has an ulterior motive.

Pump and Dump. I think Shanahan wants Jimmy gone. Ever since they moved up to #3 overall to get Lance, he has curbed his criticisms and faint praises for more positive praises. Very little is said about Tray by him or Lynch. They desperately want something in return for Jimmy. He has to make it appear that Jimmy is the starter and is valuable. Also, it is smart to keep Jimmy around to make sure Tray makes the progress necessary before letting Jimmy go.

The players will have a front row seat to see Tray beat out Jimmy. And that's what Kyle is counting on. Should that happen, no way they keep Jimmy as a backup. That's when problems will occur in the locker room. I would think it's better to either roll over the cap savings by releasing/trading Jimmy or get some added support players like an ER like Justin Houston, or another veteran CB/S.

I know I am out on a limb. This is just my opinion of how I read Kyle and what he will do. We will soon know.

You guys still feeling the same?

Yes. Lance has one year of college experience in a Division II school. He doesn't even know yet what he doesn't know about playing the game at the NFL level. He seems to have a lot of potential and upside but there is no reason to turn what many consider to be a Super Bowl quality roster over to someone who has never taken a snap in the NFL. Especially when you have a QB on the roster who has already won a bunch of hard fought games and taken your team to the championship. Like I said he's only 21 he has plenty of time to develop into an NFL starter. He will almost certainly have opportunities to play this year if Jimmy doesn't play well he may have even more opportunities than expected. But experience is a valuable trait, maybe one of the most valuable in certain situations, and right now Jimmy has a notable advantage in that regard and that isn't something you can discount. Getting rid of him only weakens your roster at this point. I mean if Lance were to get hurt would you really want Josh Rosen Quarterbacking the team? I don't think so.

Just checkin in. Let's see how next week goes.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Crown:
Nice AB.

Is Jordan Matthews really eligible for PS? seems like he has been in a league a long time.

Thanks.

Yes, everyone is now, they get a slightly larger salary, it goes up each year, but you can keep 10 players with 2 or less accrued years(guys like Rookies, or players who have yet to play enough games) and 6 max that have 3 or more accrued years. I think Josh McCown was signed to the Eagles PS last year, he was in his 40s.

Understood - TY

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Crown:
Nice AB.

Is Jordan Matthews really eligible for PS? seems like he has been in a league a long time.

Thanks.

Yes, everyone is now, they get a slightly larger salary, it goes up each year, but you can keep 10 players with 2 or less accrued years(guys like Rookies, or players who have yet to play enough games) and 6 max that have 3 or more accrued years. I think Josh McCown was signed to the Eagles PS last year, he was in his 40s.

Understood - TY

You're welcome,

Some Roster things considerations:

1. Tony Jefferson has not been practicing much. Wonder how his knee is. Mayden has been getting a lot of reps
2. Street has been tearing it up in practice. Where does he fit?
3. Is Hurd behind schedule after missing two scheduled practices followed by a scheduled day off? Supposedly down to 215 lbs.
4. Richey James caught 2 TD passes, one against Jimmy Ward in 1 on 1s and one against Verrett in 11 on 11s. Is he assured of a roster spot?

Hurd is on a "plan", no setbacks, KS says he is going to return to full team "soon"... so hope we see in pads today

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Hurd is on a "plan", no setbacks, KS says he is going to return to full team "soon"... so hope we see in pads today

Yeah, Hurd isn't going anywhere either, he'll be on the 53.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Hurd is on a "plan", no setbacks, KS says he is going to return to full team "soon"... so hope we see in pads today

Yeah, Hurd isn't going anywhere either, he'll be on the 53.

In pads today!

I think I heard KS reference to Hurd is that he wants him to stack up TC practices and make it through camp without getting injured, so far so good... I think he is going to be the #5 wr for cutdowns and work his way up with playing time during the season