***The Forever Official 53-MAN ROSTER/DEPTH CHART/PS Thread***

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I know some people, regarding the salary cap, will say why not create extra cap room, well, it's not that simple.

Right now only 4 players have big enough base salaries to restructure.

Garoppolo - $24.1M (Save max of $18.42M, minimum of $11,512,500)
Ward - $8.4M (Save max of $5.86M, minimum of $4,883,333)
Armstead - $6.65M ($4.528M savings no matter what due to him having enough years to prorate over 5 yrs)
Laken - $4.5M (Save max of $2.808M, minimum of $2,632,500)

Also, there aren't many players with salaries high enough to redo or have take a pay cut.

Looking at the FA signees, Trent got a $1.55M base salary, the minimum for him is $1.075M, so not much savings, not likely they'll ask him to take less anyway.

Juice got the minimum of $1.075M

Mack got $1.425M, minimum for him is also $1.075M

D.J. Jones got $1M, minimum for him is $990K

Ebukam got $1.5M, minimum for him is $990K

They already redid Dee, he has a $4M base, minimum is $1.075M for him.

Marcell Harris got $1M, minimum for him is $920K

Every other FA signed got minimum base salaries, the only other guy with a good sized base salary is Mostert at $2.975M, highly doubt he takes a pay cut, not sure they'll extend him, he likely wants to be paid more than what he got, more in the $5M a yr range.

Any rooks or rookie deals(players on them still) with more than minimum can't lower them, as you can't touch their deals until after their 3rd season, so Kinlaw, Aiyuk, Deebo, Hurd can't have their deals touched yet.

Question for ya.

If a player on a rookie deal, say Hurd, were to be waived then went unclaimed. Can any team sign him for however much they agree to or is can they only make up to what he would have made this year on his rookie deal since they are a set amount?

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Uhh, I figure they'll either sign Cracraft to it, or add 2 outside WRs, since I have 2 open spots on my PS, both need to be the 2 or less accrued years.

Im rooting for my fellow WSU alum to stick around. I think he'll go to PS.

Right now I think our WRs are Aiyuk, Samuel, Sanu, Sherfield, Jennings, and Webster. Although it wouldn't surprise me if Webster and Benjamin swapped spots. I'm not sure how confident KS is with inexperience at KR/PR which would give Benjamin the edge. I'm not sure Webster clears waivers though, which can complicate the decision. I'm sure Benjamin would stick around as an emergency signing down the road.

Originally posted by btthepunk:
Question for ya.

If a player on a rookie deal, say Hurd, were to be waived then went unclaimed. Can any team sign him for however much they agree to or is can they only make up to what he would have made this year on his rookie deal since they are a set amount?

Yeah Hurd could get any amount, but it wouldn't happen though, but yes, he could get more if waived.

Originally posted by Sinsation:
Im rooting for my fellow WSU alum to stick around. I think he'll go to PS.

Right now I think our WRs are Aiyuk, Samuel, Sanu, Sherfield, Jennings, and Webster. Although it wouldn't surprise me if Webster and Benjamin swapped spots. I'm not sure how confident KS is with inexperience at KR/PR which would give Benjamin the edge. I'm not sure Webster clears waivers though, which can complicate the decision. I'm sure Benjamin would stick around as an emergency signing down the road.

They could always sign Benjamin to the PS if he's willing to do that.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
They could always sign Benjamin to the PS if he's willing to do that.

You know if they are still allowing the same PS rules as last year?

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
They could always sign Benjamin to the PS if he's willing to do that.

You know if they are still allowing the same PS rules as last year?

Yes they are, actually it's apart of the new CBA, anyone is eligible for the PS, plus the 2 players being able to be active on gamedays.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by btthepunk:
Question for ya.

If a player on a rookie deal, say Hurd, were to be waived then went unclaimed. Can any team sign him for however much they agree to or is can they only make up to what he would have made this year on his rookie deal since they are a set amount?

Yeah Hurd could get any amount, but it wouldn't happen though, but yes, he could get more if waived.

Yeah I know he wouldn't. Just using as an example.

Thanks man!

Updated roster projection.

https://49erscap.com/index.php/2021/08/25/updated-49ers-2021-53-man-roster-plus-injured-lists-practice-squad-16-0-and-i-take-a-look-at-the-49ers-2021-2022-salary-cap-situation-with-analysis-post-week-2-preseason-game/

OFFENSE:

QB(2): 10 Jimmy Garoppolo(2022)/ 5 Trey Lance(2024)
RB(4): 31 Raheem Mostert(2021)/ 28 Trey Sermon(2024)/ 22 Wayne Gallman II(2021)/ 23 JaMycal Hasty(2021)
FB(1): 44 Kyle Juszcyzk(2025)
WR(6): 11 Brandon Aiyuk(2023)/ 19 Deebo Samuel(2022)/ 81 Trent Sherfield(2021)/ 18 Mohamed Sanu Sr.(2021)/ 6 Nsimba Webster(2021)/ 15 Jauan Jennings(2021)
TE(4): 85 George Kittle(2025)/ 82 Ross Dwelley(2021)/ 89 Charlie Woerner(2023)/ 84 MyCole Pruitt(2021)
C(2): 50 Alex Mack(2023)/ 60 Daniel Brunskill(2021)
LG(2): 75 Laken Tomlinson(2021)/ 68 Colton McKivitz(2023)
RG(1): 65 Aaron Banks(2024)
LT(2): 71 Trent Williams(2026)/ 76 Jaylon Moore(2024)
RT(1): 69 Mike McGlinchey(2022)

DEFENSE:

DE(5): 97 Nick Bosa(2022)/ 91 Arik Armstead(2024)/ 55 Dee Ford(2022)/ 56 Samson Ebukam(2022)/ 98 Arden Key(2021)
DT(3): 99 Javon Kinlaw(2023)/ 90 Kevin Givens(2021)/ 95 Kentavius Street(2021)
NT(2): 93 D.J. Jones(2021)/ 92 Zach Kerr(2021)
WLB(2): 57 Dre Greenlaw(2022)/ 36 Marcell Harris(2021)
MLB(2): 54 Fred Warner(2026)/ 53 Jonas Griffith(2021)
SLB(2): 51 Azeez Al-Shaair(2021)/ 45 Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles(2021)
CB(5): 2 Jason Verrett(2021)/ 4 Emmanuel Moseley(2022)/ 24 K'Waun Williams(2021)/ 20 Ambry Thomas(2024)/ 38 Deommodore Lenoir(2024)
FS(2): 1 Jimmie Ward(2022)/ 32 Tavon Wilson(2021)
SS(2): 26 Jaquiski Tartt(2021)/ 29 Talanoa Hufanga(2024)

SPECIAL TEAMS:

PK(1): 9 Robbie Gould(2022)
P(1): 6 Mitch Wishnowsky(2022)
LS(1): 46 Taybor Pepper(2022)

LIKELY INACTIVES:

RB JaMycal Hasty
WR Jauan Jennings
TE MyCole Pruitt
DT Kevin Givens or DT Kentavius Street
MLB Jonas Griffith or SLB Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles

RESERVE LISTS:

PUP: RB 30 Jeff Wilson Jr.(2021)
Short Term IR: RB 49 Elijah Mitchell(2024)
Short Term IR: WR 14 Jalen Hurd(2022)
IR: WR 83 Austin Watkins Jr.(2023)
IR: RT 67 Justin Skule(2022)
SUSPENDED: DE 94 Jordan Willis(2021)
Short Term IR: DT 96 Maurice Hurst Jr.(2021)
IR: SLB 48 Mychal Kendricks(2021)
PUP: FS 33 Tarvarius Moore(2021)

PRACTICE SQUAD:

QB 7 Nate Sudfeld*
FB 40 Josh Hokit
TE 88 Jordan Matthews*
C 64 Jake Brendel*
RG 61 Dakoda Shepley
LT 78 Shon Coleman*
RT 77 Alfredo Gutierrez**
DE 77 Eddie Yarbrough*
NT 65 Darrion Daniels
WLB 59 Elijah Sullivan
MLB 58 Justin Hilliard
CB 27 Dontae Johnson*
CB 41 Alexander Myres
FS 7 Jared Mayden
FS 43 Kai Nacua

There would be two more players with less than 3 accrued years added, to bring the total to the max of 6 with 3 or more accrued years, & 10 with 2 or less, for a total of $3.168 million used up.

*Denotes player with 3 or more accrued years
**Denotes International Pathway Player who automatically goes on the Practice Squad if the team chooses, but he's ineligible to play during the season.

With this roster the 49ers would have $3,010,646 in cap room to begin 2021

Looks really good AB, but somehow i would love to see Brendel on that list giving us 10 OLs, esp with our hx of having only 1 starter OL in a game last yr, where we were playing guys off PS, off walmart parking lot and who knows where else. In PS he did a masterful job at C, and excelled at Pass pro. Brun is the backup at C but he could easily go to OT or OG also. Then we got no real C . Whether Brendel could call the OL blocking, IDK. But i sure would like to see us a bit heavier at OL (10 rather than 9) . Also RG and RT have no backups and Brun could end up there in case of injury , and then Brendel would be the guy if Mack got hurt.

If not for the high number of casualties at OL the last few yrs, i probably wouldn't be so concerned. Any team who watched our PS, has to have seen Brendel kept guys off our Qb. IOW, I don't see him lasting long on PS. Maybe go with 3 TEs?

BTW, that DL looks hellaciously awesome. They've actually looked really good WIITHOUT DEE and NICK. Yikes.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Looks really good AB, but somehow i would love to see Brendel on that list giving us 10 OLs, esp with our hx of having only 1 starter OL in a game last yr, where we were playing guys off PS, off walmart parking lot and who knows where else. In PS he did a masterful job at C, and excelled at Pass pro. Brun is the backup at C but he could easily go to OT or OG also. Then we got no real C . Whether Brendel could call the OL blocking, IDK. But i sure would like to see us a bit heavier at OL (10 rather than 9) . Also RG and RT have no backups and Brun could end up there in case of injury , and then Brendel would be the guy if Mack got hurt.

If not for the high number of casualties at OL the last few yrs, i probably wouldn't be so concerned. Any team who watched our PS, has to have seen Brendel kept guys off our Qb. IOW, I don't see him lasting long on PS. Maybe go with 3 TEs?

BTW, that DL looks hellaciously awesome. They've actually looked really good WIITHOUT DEE and NICK. Yikes.

I have 8 OL, if they keep a 9th it's likely Brendel, but only if Banks can't go week 1, I'd have the 8 locks active week 1. But with Brendel and Coleman, they can be put on the PS without going thru waivers, so if need Brendel can play 2 games, then if needed, signed to active roster, same with Coleman.

My issue with 3 TEs is Pruitt's $637,500 dead money hit he'd leave if cut, we'd lose $500K by adding a guy making $850K, I like Pruitt, but I wish they didn't guarantee him $500K of his base, same with Kendricks $200K, the rest of their offseason deals have worked out with GTD money on 1yr deal(Sherfield, Key, Hurst, Kerr, while Harris' $250K is 50/50, I think Dwelley's entire $920K salary was risky, but he looks better IMO).

And yes the DL looks scary, it's almost a blessing that Willis got suspended, and Hurst hurt, I hate to say it, but now both Kerr & Street can make it.

Just a reminder of the initial 53 last year:

2020 Final 53-Man 49ers Roster Counts
QB: 3
RB/FB: 5
TE: 4
WR: 6
OL: 8 (26)
DL: 9
LB: 6
CB: 5
S: 4 (24)
ST: 3 (3)

Originally posted by NCommand:

Expect the 49ers to carry Maurice Hurst on their 53-man roster next week before placing him on injured reserve, with a corresponding "wink-wink" deal with a non-waiver eligible vet to make the maneuver possible https://t.co/SlTuxxhGCg

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 24, 2021

Love that

Has Tavon Wilson outplayed Ha Ha Dix or Jared Mayden? If we keep 4 safeties only 1 of those guys will make it.