The 2021 49ers Training Camp Thread

Originally posted by Alfienator:

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Always enjoy coming to the WZ for these insightful posts. JFC.

It's a fitting response to the OPs track record

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
So if Jimmy continues to throw interceptions, make poor decisions, fumbles, and can't push the ball downfield, but we win games he should remain the starter?

What people really need to accept is that Jimmy just isn't a very good QB and that the team needs to move on already. Holding on to this notion that he's suddenly going to improve and start learning from his mistakes and lead this team to a Super Bowl championship is delusional at this point. We caught lightning in a bottle in 2019 and benefited from a weak NFC and a fair bit of luck, but that's not likely going to happen again. If we're going to make it back to the Super Bowl we're going to need better QB play.

Trey might be a bit raw right now, but we'll benefit more from ripping the bandaid off now and living with the result than we will from wasting anymore time on Jimmy. Him having a couple of decent games in four seasons on an offense that is designed to work around his limitations should not inspire this level of loyalty.

Damn dude, you are predictably pathological. As soon as Trey is able to play quarterback at a higher level than Jimmy, he will get his chance. It is clearly not yet, and anyone who knows the difference between throwing a football and playing quarterback knows this already. Your irrational hatred for the starting qb is clearly clouding your ability to reason.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
So if Jimmy continues to throw interceptions, make poor decisions, fumbles, and can't push the ball downfield, but we win games he should remain the starter?

What people really need to accept is that Jimmy just isn't a very good QB and that the team needs to move on already. Holding on to this notion that he's suddenly going to improve and start learning from his mistakes and lead this team to a Super Bowl championship is delusional at this point. We caught lightning in a bottle in 2019 and benefited from a weak NFC and a fair bit of luck, but that's not likely going to happen again. If we're going to make it back to the Super Bowl we're going to need better QB play.

Trey might be a bit raw right now, but we'll benefit more from ripping the bandaid off now and living with the result than we will from wasting anymore time on Jimmy. Him having a couple of decent games in four seasons on an offense that is designed to work around his limitations should not inspire this level of loyalty.

No, No we don't have to accept it because it's simply not true.

Jimmys record when healthy is impressive.
Period.

certainly not top 5 but definitely top ten (when healthy)

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Sunday's game is now set up to be the decisive point in determining QB1.

lol pretty sure it's been determined who the QB1 is for the Niners.

Seriously, people need to accept jimmy is starting the season and move on

100%

Agree & don't have a problem with it at all

Yup. The fan in me wants Trey to get in there and start taking his lumps. Thats our luxury.

As a coach, the smart thing to do is let Jimmy start and let nature take its course. If Jimmy continues to throw interceptions, make poor decisions, fumbles, and can't consistently push the ball downfield, and we lose games, he'll be out.

So if Jimmy continues to throw interceptions, make poor decisions, fumbles, and can't push the ball downfield, but we win games he should remain the starter?

What people really need to accept is that Jimmy just isn't a very good QB and that the team needs to move on already. Holding on to this notion that he's suddenly going to improve and start learning from his mistakes and lead this team to a Super Bowl championship is delusional at this point. We caught lightning in a bottle in 2019 and benefited from a weak NFC and a fair bit of luck, but that's not likely going to happen again. If we're going to make it back to the Super Bowl we're going to need better QB play.

Trey might be a bit raw right now, but we'll benefit more from ripping the bandaid off now and living with the result than we will from wasting anymore time on Jimmy. Him having a couple of decent games in four seasons on an offense that is designed to work around his limitations should not inspire this level of loyalty.

We're not going to pull the starter if we are winning. If his poor play causes us to lose, then yeah.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
So if Jimmy continues to throw interceptions, make poor decisions, fumbles, and can't push the ball downfield, but we win games he should remain the starter?

What people really need to accept is that Jimmy just isn't a very good QB and that the team needs to move on already. Holding on to this notion that he's suddenly going to improve and start learning from his mistakes and lead this team to a Super Bowl championship is delusional at this point. We caught lightning in a bottle in 2019 and benefited from a weak NFC and a fair bit of luck, but that's not likely going to happen again. If we're going to make it back to the Super Bowl we're going to need better QB play.

Trey might be a bit raw right now, but we'll benefit more from ripping the bandaid off now and living with the result than we will from wasting anymore time on Jimmy. Him having a couple of decent games in four seasons on an offense that is designed to work around his limitations should not inspire this level of loyalty.

Damn dude, you are predictably pathological. As soon as Trey is able to play quarterback at a higher level than Jimmy, he will get his chance. It is clearly not yet, and anyone who knows the difference between throwing a football and playing quarterback knows this already. Your irrational hatred for the starting qb is clearly clouding your ability to reason.

There's no hate. It's just the truth. Jimmy's just not that good and we're just spinning our wheels by starting him. He's not the future of this team and it's delusional to claim otherwise. If we go with him this year it'll slow down Trey's development and likely not bring us anything worthwhile in return.

We'll probably have an above .500 season with Jimmy and that will be a good enough result for Kyle (not that going with Trey is necessarily going to bring us worse results, it's just harder to predict). However, if we're thinking about what gives us the best chance of winning a Super Bowl in the next 3 seasons, then we should be focused on Trey's development and the fastest way to develop Trey is to get him as many live reps as possible.

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
So if Jimmy continues to throw interceptions, make poor decisions, fumbles, and can't push the ball downfield, but we win games he should remain the starter?

What people really need to accept is that Jimmy just isn't a very good QB and that the team needs to move on already. Holding on to this notion that he's suddenly going to improve and start learning from his mistakes and lead this team to a Super Bowl championship is delusional at this point. We caught lightning in a bottle in 2019 and benefited from a weak NFC and a fair bit of luck, but that's not likely going to happen again. If we're going to make it back to the Super Bowl we're going to need better QB play.

Trey might be a bit raw right now, but we'll benefit more from ripping the bandaid off now and living with the result than we will from wasting anymore time on Jimmy. Him having a couple of decent games in four seasons on an offense that is designed to work around his limitations should not inspire this level of loyalty.

No, No we don't have to accept it because it's simply not true.

Jimmys record when healthy is impressive.
Period.

certainly not top 5 but definitely top ten (when healthy)

Top 10 QB? No, sorry, there's no rational argument for that. Wins are not a QB stat.

We have won when Jimmy has been healthy for the most part (though he's only .500 since the start of 2020.) Who are we comparing him to though? Hoyer, Beathard, and Mullens? Nobody would claim those guys are good QBs and it's debatable whether they're even good enough to be backups. However, it doesn't matter. We already made the choice to move on from Jimmy in March. Now it's time to live with that choice and start working towards the future.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
So if Jimmy continues to throw interceptions, make poor decisions, fumbles, and can't push the ball downfield, but we win games he should remain the starter?

What people really need to accept is that Jimmy just isn't a very good QB and that the team needs to move on already. Holding on to this notion that he's suddenly going to improve and start learning from his mistakes and lead this team to a Super Bowl championship is delusional at this point. We caught lightning in a bottle in 2019 and benefited from a weak NFC and a fair bit of luck, but that's not likely going to happen again. If we're going to make it back to the Super Bowl we're going to need better QB play.

Trey might be a bit raw right now, but we'll benefit more from ripping the bandaid off now and living with the result than we will from wasting anymore time on Jimmy. Him having a couple of decent games in four seasons on an offense that is designed to work around his limitations should not inspire this level of loyalty.

Damn dude, you are predictably pathological. As soon as Trey is able to play quarterback at a higher level than Jimmy, he will get his chance. It is clearly not yet, and anyone who knows the difference between throwing a football and playing quarterback knows this already. Your irrational hatred for the starting qb is clearly clouding your ability to reason.

There's no hate. It's just the truth. Jimmy's just not that good and we're just spinning our wheels by starting him. He's not the future of this team and it's delusional to claim otherwise. If we go with him this year it'll slow down Trey's development and likely not bring us anything worthwhile in return.

We'll probably have an above .500 season with Jimmy and that will be a good enough result for Kyle (not that going with Trey is necessarily going to bring us worse results, it's just harder to predict). However, if we're thinking about what gives us the best chance of winning a Super Bowl in the next 3 seasons, then we should be focused on Trey's development and the fastest way to develop Trey is to get him as many live reps as possible.

We have a chance to win a super bowl with Jimmy g this year. Lance is not ready for that.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
So if Jimmy continues to throw interceptions, make poor decisions, fumbles, and can't push the ball downfield, but we win games he should remain the starter?

What people really need to accept is that Jimmy just isn't a very good QB and that the team needs to move on already. Holding on to this notion that he's suddenly going to improve and start learning from his mistakes and lead this team to a Super Bowl championship is delusional at this point. We caught lightning in a bottle in 2019 and benefited from a weak NFC and a fair bit of luck, but that's not likely going to happen again. If we're going to make it back to the Super Bowl we're going to need better QB play.

Trey might be a bit raw right now, but we'll benefit more from ripping the bandaid off now and living with the result than we will from wasting anymore time on Jimmy. Him having a couple of decent games in four seasons on an offense that is designed to work around his limitations should not inspire this level of loyalty.

Damn dude, you are predictably pathological. As soon as Trey is able to play quarterback at a higher level than Jimmy, he will get his chance. It is clearly not yet, and anyone who knows the difference between throwing a football and playing quarterback knows this already. Your irrational hatred for the starting qb is clearly clouding your ability to reason.

There's no hate. It's just the truth. Jimmy's just not that good and we're just spinning our wheels by starting him. He's not the future of this team and it's delusional to claim otherwise. If we go with him this year it'll slow down Trey's development and likely not bring us anything worthwhile in return.

We'll probably have an above .500 season with Jimmy and that will be a good enough result for Kyle (not that going with Trey is necessarily going to bring us worse results, it's just harder to predict). However, if we're thinking about what gives us the best chance of winning a Super Bowl in the next 3 seasons, then we should be focused on Trey's development and the fastest way to develop Trey is to get him as many live reps as possible.

We have a chance to win a super bowl with Jimmy g this year. Lance is not ready for that.

I don't believe we have a realistic chance to win a Super Bowl with Jimmy this season. The circumstances that helped us get to the Super Bowl in 2019 aren't likely to happen again. Jimmy would have to massively improve for this team to be able to overcome the other top teams in the NFC and nothing we've seen so far has given any reason to believe that's the case.

If there isn't a realistic chance of winning the Super Bowl with Jimmy this year, then what is the point of rolling with him? Boosting his trade value? It seems unlikely we're going to get a team to trade us anything significant for him, especially if he gets injured.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
So if Jimmy continues to throw interceptions, make poor decisions, fumbles, and can't push the ball downfield, but we win games he should remain the starter?

What people really need to accept is that Jimmy just isn't a very good QB and that the team needs to move on already. Holding on to this notion that he's suddenly going to improve and start learning from his mistakes and lead this team to a Super Bowl championship is delusional at this point. We caught lightning in a bottle in 2019 and benefited from a weak NFC and a fair bit of luck, but that's not likely going to happen again. If we're going to make it back to the Super Bowl we're going to need better QB play.

Trey might be a bit raw right now, but we'll benefit more from ripping the bandaid off now and living with the result than we will from wasting anymore time on Jimmy. Him having a couple of decent games in four seasons on an offense that is designed to work around his limitations should not inspire this level of loyalty.

Damn dude, you are predictably pathological. As soon as Trey is able to play quarterback at a higher level than Jimmy, he will get his chance. It is clearly not yet, and anyone who knows the difference between throwing a football and playing quarterback knows this already. Your irrational hatred for the starting qb is clearly clouding your ability to reason.

There's no hate. It's just the truth. Jimmy's just not that good and we're just spinning our wheels by starting him. He's not the future of this team and it's delusional to claim otherwise. If we go with him this year it'll slow down Trey's development and likely not bring us anything worthwhile in return.

We'll probably have an above .500 season with Jimmy and that will be a good enough result for Kyle (not that going with Trey is necessarily going to bring us worse results, it's just harder to predict). However, if we're thinking about what gives us the best chance of winning a Super Bowl in the next 3 seasons, then we should be focused on Trey's development and the fastest way to develop Trey is to get him as many live reps as possible.

We have a chance to win a super bowl with Jimmy g this year. Lance is not ready for that.

I don't believe we have a realistic chance to win a Super Bowl with Jimmy this season. The circumstances that helped us get to the Super Bowl in 2019 aren't likely to happen again. Jimmy would have to massively improve for this team to be able to overcome the other top teams in the NFC and nothing we've seen so far has given any reason to believe that's the case.

If there isn't a realistic chance of winning the Super Bowl with Jimmy this year, then what is the point of rolling with him? Boosting his trade value? It seems unlikely we're going to get a team to trade us anything significant for him, especially if he gets injured.

I respect that stance and do feel that super bowl run had a lot of good juju involved…..but they all do. SB are hard to win.
If I felt the same way you did(no chance to win) then I'd want Trey to start as well. Buuut I'm not a believer in Trey and want to get what we can out of Jimmy G and just hope Trey develops. The future of the franchise depends on it.

The only way we win a sb with Jimmy is if we have a top defense and top running game. And at that point I'm not convinced Trey couldn't do the same. Jimmy did dick in the playoffs and we literally had to hide him. If you have to hide your starting QB in the playoffs that's pretty bad.

Thankfully we had the 1 seed and got 2 incredible performances on the ground but when we needed Jimmy the most (ONE drive in the 4th, just one in the sb) he completely disappeared. Can't depend on him from what I've seen.

Hopefully Trey can make enough progress soon that he can take over

Originally posted by frenchmov:
The only way we win a sb with Jimmy is if we have a top defense and top running game. And at that point I'm not convinced Trey couldn't do the same. Jimmy did dick in the playoffs and we literally had to hide him. If you have to hide your starting QB in the playoffs that's pretty bad.

Thankfully we had the 1 seed and got 2 incredible performances on the ground but when we needed Jimmy the most (ONE drive in the 4th, just one in the sb) he completely disappeared. Can't depend on him from what I've seen.

Hopefully Trey can make enough progress soon that he can take over

That would be awesome. With Kyle's scheming and Mostert ripping off huge runs, just pick a spot or two to roll Trey out and make a huge play. I just worry about 3rd and 5 plus yards situations.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
That would be awesome. With Kyle's scheming and Mostert ripping off huge runs, just pick a spot or two to roll Trey out and make a huge play. I just worry about 3rd and 5 plus yards situations.

Trey needs to show he can make progress on blitz rec, and finding that open guy, making quick decisions. It's possible that can happen but we will see.

It's extremely unlikely, extremely!, that Jimmy suddenly develops the ability to throw an accurate pass over 10 yards in the air, and that he stops turning the ball over. I'm not saying it's impossible but this is Jimmy's 7th year or whatever and I've lost faith in him to consistently perform at a high level. Hope he proves me wrong and he kills it.

I'll be honest a sb win buys you 10 years. If we won the sb this year I'd say f**kit, anything else we get in the coming years is gravy on top

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
That would be awesome. With Kyle's scheming and Mostert ripping off huge runs, just pick a spot or two to roll Trey out and make a huge play. I just worry about 3rd and 5 plus yards situations.

Trey needs to show he can make progress on blitz rec, and finding that open guy, making quick decisions. It's possible that can happen but we will see.

It's extremely unlikely, extremely!, that Jimmy suddenly develops the ability to throw an accurate pass over 10 yards in the air, and that he stops turning the ball over. I'm not saying it's impossible but this is Jimmy's 7th year or whatever and I've lost faith in him to consistently perform at a high level. Hope he proves me wrong and he kills it.

I'll be honest a sb win buys you 10 years. If we won the sb this year I'd say f**kit, anything else we get in the coming years is gravy on top

I agree completely about the super bowl meaning everything. Get me a super bowl idgaf how or what happens after lol. I understand your frustration with Jimmy but man, I wish we drafted more win now guys to get that super bowl. Instead, assuming Trey develops, we have extended a window but lessened this years chances.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

That starting right guard spot has to be a major area of concern for the 49ers

Daniel Brunskill just got beat on every rep he took during 1 on 1's with the Chargers defensive line, the majority of which were not particularly close either

— Jordan Elliott (@splash_cousin) August 20, 2021

Well, there's always Tom Compton.

This is what lynch and Shanahan have failed to do since they got here. Their contributions to the oline have been mcglinchey and Williams. Theor 2nd rounder appears to be a bust.. Mack is 65 years old. They've neglected the entire line. But let's spend three picks on a young qb. And let's continue to blame Jimmy g.

Yep. They neglected the receiver position completely. Drafted a project, a complete project at qb and two backs that are more of luxuries than needs, and a fat, slow guard instead of filling positions of need on a team that is just a piece or two away from a super bowl. I have lost faith in them. Feel more like the super bowl run was a fluke

They spent a 1st and 2 2nds on wr. I'd say far from neglecting it. One of the 2nds didn't work out. With deebo and aiyuk wr is just fine. There are only so many picks to fill out a roster.

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

That starting right guard spot has to be a major area of concern for the 49ers

Daniel Brunskill just got beat on every rep he took during 1 on 1's with the Chargers defensive line, the majority of which were not particularly close either

— Jordan Elliott (@splash_cousin) August 20, 2021

Well, there's always Tom Compton.

This is what lynch and Shanahan have failed to do since they got here. Their contributions to the oline have been mcglinchey and Williams. Theor 2nd rounder appears to be a bust.. Mack is 65 years old. They've neglected the entire line. But let's spend three picks on a young qb. And let's continue to blame Jimmy g.

Yep. They neglected the receiver position completely. Drafted a project, a complete project at qb and two backs that are more of luxuries than needs, and a fat, slow guard instead of filling positions of need on a team that is just a piece or two away from a super bowl. I have lost faith in them. Feel more like the super bowl run was a fluke

They spent a 1st and 2 2nds on wr. I'd say far from neglecting it. One of the 2nds didn't work out. With deebo and aiyuk wr is just fine. There are only so many picks to fill out a roster.

We've used a lot of draft capital on WRs. They've just been mostly duds. It got so bad, we had to waste picks and trade for Sanders for a one year rental.