The 2021 49ers Training Camp Thread

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
We've used a lot of draft capital on WRs. They've just been mostly duds. It got so bad, we had to waste picks and trade for Sanders for a one year rental.

It wasn't even one year

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
I agree completely about the super bowl meaning everything. Get me a super bowl idgaf how or what happens after lol. I understand your frustration with Jimmy but man, I wish we drafted more win now guys to get that super bowl. Instead, assuming Trey develops, we have extended a window but lessened this years chances.

I wouldn't have been against it (I wanted fields @ 12 early and then it seemed that was impossible but in hindsight...) I don't like spending 3 firsts on a player.

It felt to me like the league "figured out" Jimmy. He won't throw outside & he won't throw deep. If this is due to inability or bad OL or what I can't say for sure but seeing the All22 from 2019 isn't kind to Jimmy. I love his quick release and his short game. I'd even say that part of his game is elite/top 10. But teams are now sitting on that s**t, packing the middle, and he can't adapt. Seems like 75% of his completions are off target to where a 15-20 yard gain ends up being a 5 -7 because he doesn't put the ball in good spots.

I also hold my breath Everytime he throws because he makes some dumb f**king decisions. Now mahomes had 18 ints dropped last year so I get low risk low reward but with Jimmy I don't trust him to make the right read & not turn the ball over.

I'm cool with whatever they decide this year but if it's Jimmy I just hope he's somehow figured it out

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
We've used a lot of draft capital on WRs. They've just been mostly duds. It got so bad, we had to waste picks and trade for Sanders for a one year rental.

Waste draft capital? Sanders helped us get to a super bowl and deebo absolutely took off after the signing completely worth the trade. Petis was an absolute let down, but deebo and aiyuk are ballers. Would I rather have aj brown than deebo ya probably, but he is still a productive receiver when in the field . Again, deebo,aiuyk, Sanu, and kittle or more than formidable as receiving threats . Who cares about the 4-6 receiver on a team. Most on here can't name another trams 4-6 receivers yet we b***h about ours.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Chiefs OL, including Thuney, getting abused by cards. Strange...

Not strange at all.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
This is the kind of logic that marries teams to mediocre QBs for years and years. There will always be some excuse to fall back on no matter how much talent we surround him with. It's time to just move on already.

Huh? It's not an excuse it's reality. When quarterbacks don't have very good receivers to throw to, or playing with a 2nd string center, often times they don't do as well as they would if they had better wrs and a center. Simple as that. How the hell would anyone argue against that? We are moving on already but not quite yet.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Damn dude, you are predictably pathological. As soon as Trey is able to play quarterback at a higher level than Jimmy, he will get his chance. It is clearly not yet, and anyone who knows the difference between throwing a football and playing quarterback knows this already. Your irrational hatred for the starting qb is clearly clouding your ability to reason.

I know, at this point it's comical

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I don't believe we have a realistic chance to win a Super Bowl with Jimmy this season. The circumstances that helped us get to the Super Bowl in 2019 aren't likely to happen again. Jimmy would have to massively improve for this team to be able to overcome the other top teams in the NFC and nothing we've seen so far has given any reason to believe that's the case.

If there isn't a realistic chance of winning the Super Bowl with Jimmy this year, then what is the point of rolling with him? Boosting his trade value? It seems unlikely we're going to get a team to trade us anything significant for him, especially if he gets injured.

I guess you must've missed the memo that we are pretty healthy, Ford is back with Bosa, our defense is going to be great.

I also guess you missed the fact that we have probably the easiest or at least top five easiest schedules in the league.

So you are wrong. If you remember 2019, we had a ton of injuries and still had some thru the playoffs. I don't know what you mean by the circumstances that helped us get to the Super Bowl because we did not have many good ones. We still did not have our Center Richburg and DJ Jones which easily helped us lose that game. So the circumstances in 2019 are not hard to duplicate especially since we have a better offense and it could be argued that our defense is just as good if not better. Plus like I mentioned the last my schedule. So you might want to think about what you said, maybe go back to the drawing board and think of another excuse as to why we are not a serious SB contender WITH Jimmy G. Then again, just look at the Vegas odds, countless analysts and so on. You're alone in this one

Originally posted by Crown:
No, No we don't have to accept it because it's simply not true.

Jimmys record when healthy is impressive.
Period.

certainly not top 5 but definitely top ten (when healthy)

Too 10? Why is it that not a single team other than us wants him right now?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
There's no hate. It's just the truth. Jimmy's just not that good and we're just spinning our wheels by starting him. He's not the future of this team and it's delusional to claim otherwise. If we go with him this year it'll slow down Trey's development and likely not bring us anything worthwhile in return.

We'll probably have an above .500 season with Jimmy and that will be a good enough result for Kyle(not that going with Trey is necessarily going to bring us worse results, it's just harder to predict). However, if we're thinking about what gives us the best chance of winning a Super Bowl in the next 3 seasons, then we should be focused on Trey's development and the fastest way to develop Trey is to get him as many live reps as possible.

This dude has taken the Trey Lance critiques so seriously he now believes even Kyle hates Trey now.

I don't think Jimmy is top 10 but definitely top 15

Most of the league views Jimmy as a bottom half QB. Somewhere between 16-20. He works in a system like Kyle's that rely's on the run and the short quick passing game. He likely wouldn't do very well in a system that called for him to carry the load and make a lot of big plays.

As much as I like the joint practices, doesn't seem like the NFL is too concerned with COVID at all. This could ruin the season as all teams are doing them.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Most of the league views Jimmy as a bottom half QB. Somewhere between 16-20. He works in a system like Kyle's that rely's on the run and the short quick passing game. He likely wouldn't do very well in a system that called for him to carry the load and make a lot of big plays.

Pretty much this.

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:
As much as I like the joint practices, doesn't seem like the NFL is too concerned with COVID at all. This could ruin the season as all teams are doing them.

most teams have a majority of players vaccinated already. worst case is it will look at like it did last season with limited fans or no fans.

A little thread

I sure hope we can make it through the season with full stadiums. Some teams may have trouble filling them even if it's allowed since not all fans are comfortable being in large crowds. The players are mostly all getting vaccinated since the NFL declared that game swould be forfeited if a team has to cancel because of a Covid outbreak. Now if the fans would just do the same.