The 2021 49ers Training Camp Thread

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I sure hope we can make it through the season with full stadiums. Some teams may have trouble filling them even if it's allowed since not all fans are comfortable being in large crowds. The players are mostly all getting vaccinated since the NFL declared that game swould be forfeited if a team has to cancel because of a Covid outbreak. Now if the fans would just do the same.

I really hope so. My industry was the first out of work and the last to return. I'm just barely getting back.

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
I really hope so. My industry was the first out of work and the last to return. I'm just barely getting back.

I feel bad for all the people that got laid off . I'm retired which because of my age makes me more vulnerable to the virus but at least I didn't have to worry about losing my job. Enjoy this season which should be better than last year.

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:
As much as I like the joint practices, doesn't seem like the NFL is too concerned with COVID at all. This could ruin the season as all teams are doing them.

And all teams are gonna play against each other and shake hands after the game….

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Most of the league views Jimmy as a bottom half QB. Somewhere between 16-20. He works in a system like Kyle's that rely's on the run and the short quick passing game. He likely wouldn't do very well in a system that called for him to carry the load and make a lot of big plays.

You just described about 20 other starting QBs

Originally posted by miked1978:
I don't think Jimmy is top 10 but definitely top 15

Comes down to if you think Jimmy is better than Cousins, Big Ben, Derek Carr, Baker Mayfield and as long as the rookies Fields, Lawrence, Jones and Wilson aren't better than him. Cause there are 14 QBs who are distinctly better than Jimmy.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:
As much as I like the joint practices, doesn't seem like the NFL is too concerned with COVID at all. This could ruin the season as all teams are doing them.

And all teams are gonna play against each other and shake hands after the game….

Obviously, but being around players from other teams when it's not needed doesn't make too much sense, especially if things are so bad in certain areas….

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:
As much as I like the joint practices, doesn't seem like the NFL is too concerned with COVID at all. This could ruin the season as all teams are doing them.

And all teams are gonna play against each other and shake hands after the game….

Yup. You can't avoid contact In a contact sport. I'm sure they'll all be fine for the most part.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I don't believe we have a realistic chance to win a Super Bowl with Jimmy this season. The circumstances that helped us get to the Super Bowl in 2019 aren't likely to happen again. Jimmy would have to massively improve for this team to be able to overcome the other top teams in the NFC and nothing we've seen so far has given any reason to believe that's the case.

If there isn't a realistic chance of winning the Super Bowl with Jimmy this year, then what is the point of rolling with him? Boosting his trade value? It seems unlikely we're going to get a team to trade us anything significant for him, especially if he gets injured.

I guess you must've missed the memo that we are pretty healthy, Ford is back with Bosa, our defense is going to be great.

I also guess you missed the fact that we have probably the easiest or at least top five easiest schedules in the league.

So you are wrong. If you remember 2019, we had a ton of injuries and still had some thru the playoffs. I don't know what you mean by the circumstances that helped us get to the Super Bowl because we did not have many good ones. We still did not have our Center Richburg and DJ Jones which easily helped us lose that game. So the circumstances in 2019 are not hard to duplicate especially since we have a better offense and it could be argued that our defense is just as good if not better. Plus like I mentioned the last my schedule. So you might want to think about what you said, maybe go back to the drawing board and think of another excuse as to why we are not a serious SB contender WITH Jimmy G. Then again, just look at the Vegas odds, countless analysts and so on. You're alone in this one

Here's a list of things that fell in our favor in 2019:

1. Relatively easy schedule, especially at the start. This one may also be true this year.

2. We mostly avoided long term injuries. Yes, we had our fair share, but most of the team was back on the field by the time the playoffs rolled around. Yes, we did lose Richburg and an important rotational piece in DJ Jones, but no team remains 100% healthy. Jimmy also stayed healthy, something he has not done in the other three seasons where he started the season as the #1 QB in his career.

It's unknown how things will play out this year on the injury front. We're relatively healthy right now, but it's only August.

3. We won a lot of close games. We were literally an inch away from losing the division to the Seahawks. We also had wins that came down to 1-2 plays against the Cardinals, Saints, Rams, and Steelers. True, we also had some close losses, but not as many.

4. We benefited heavily from a relatively weak NFC. The Packers were not as good as their record and Rodgers was not comfortable running Lafleur's offense at the time. Last year he was a lot better and there's no reason to think the Packers won't be better this year than they were in 2019. The Saints were the only other team in the NFC viewed as a realistic contender that year and they were pretty flawed. The Rams had a down year with a lot of injuries along the offensive line, but have since upgraded at QB and are likely going to be much better this year. There's also the Bucs with Tom Brady who arguably have the best roster in the NFC and undeniably a better QB than us.

5. The weak NFC lead to us having incredibly favorable playoff matchups. We faced teams with mostly immobile QBs that had defenses that could not stop the run. We only had to pass the ball about 10 times total in 6 quarters, which is good because we struggled when we did pass. That's extremely unlikely to happen again.

In general, making a Super Bowl takes a lot of luck, especially when you don't have a premier QB. We don't have a premier QB. Most would say we don't even have a top 15 QB. It's very hard to win a Super Bowl like that. Every team that is consistently contending every year has done so due to consistent high-level QB play.

All of that said, realistically the odds of us winning or even making the Super Bowl this year are low and don't differ much with either Trey or Jimmy as the QB. I'd rather not postpone the development of our franchise QB in favor of a very slight increase in our low odds of a championship. It's also not certain that Trey with a full season of starts under his belt won't be significantly better than Jimmy by the time the postseason arrives.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Here's a list of things that fell in our favor in 2019:

1. Relatively easy schedule, especially at the start. This one may also be true this year.

2. We mostly avoided long term injuries. Yes, we had our fair share, but most of the team was back on the field by the time the playoffs rolled around. Yes, we did lose Richburg and an important rotational piece in DJ Jones, but no team remains 100% healthy. Jimmy also stayed healthy, something he has not done in the other three seasons where he started the season as the #1 QB in his career.

It's unknown how things will play out this year on the injury front. We're relatively healthy right now, but it's only August.

3. We won a lot of close games. We were literally an inch away from losing the division to the Seahawks. We also had wins that came down to 1-2 plays against the Cardinals, Saints, Rams, and Steelers. True, we also had some close losses, but not as many.

4. We benefited heavily from a relatively weak NFC. The Packers were not as good as their record and Rodgers was not comfortable running Lafleur's offense at the time. Last year he was a lot better and there's no reason to think the Packers won't be better this year than they were in 2019. The Saints were the only other team in the NFC viewed as a realistic contender that year and they were pretty flawed. The Rams had a down year with a lot of injuries along the offensive line, but have since upgraded at QB and are likely going to be much better this year. There's also the Bucs with Tom Brady who arguably have the best roster in the NFC and undeniably a better QB than us.

5. The weak NFC lead to us having incredibly favorable playoff matchups. We faced teams with mostly immobile QBs that had defenses that could not stop the run. We only had to pass the ball about 10 times total in 6 quarters, which is good because we struggled when we did pass. That's extremely unlikely to happen again.

In general, making a Super Bowl takes a lot of luck, especially when you don't have a premier QB. We don't have a premier QB. Most would say we don't even have a top 15 QB. It's very hard to win a Super Bowl like that. Every team that is consistently contending every year has done so due to consistent high-level QB play.

All of that said, realistically the odds of us winning or even making the Super Bowl this year are low and don't differ much with either Trey or Jimmy as the QB. I'd rather not postpone the development of our franchise QB in favor of a very slight increase in our low odds of a championship. It's also not certain that Trey with a full season of starts under his belt won't be significantly better than Jimmy by the time the postseason arrives.

I agree with this too. We had a great string of lucky bounces that culminated in a very good shot at a championship in 2019/20. We have similar ingredients for another run this year, but it's unlikely that our team will get those lucky bounces as many times.

I'm on the fence about Jimmy being on the team vs being cut/traded, but I haven't wavered that our best course of action is to start Lance immediately. Take some lumps, have some rookie mistakes but also demonstrate the big plays he can do even now. And every game under his belt will help improve him, and the team.

Ultimately I want to win the SB every year. It's a possibility this year, we're a top 10 team with either QB. I think going into the playoffs with Lance as our QB is better than Jimmy and the more experience Lance has going into the playoffs, the better.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Here's a list of things that fell in our favor in 2019:

1. Relatively easy schedule, especially at the start. This one may also be true this year.

2. We mostly avoided long term injuries. Yes, we had our fair share, but most of the team was back on the field by the time the playoffs rolled around. Yes, we did lose Richburg and an important rotational piece in DJ Jones, but no team remains 100% healthy. Jimmy also stayed healthy, something he has not done in the other three seasons where he started the season as the #1 QB in his career.

It's unknown how things will play out this year on the injury front. We're relatively healthy right now, but it's only August.

3. We won a lot of close games. We were literally an inch away from losing the division to the Seahawks. We also had wins that came down to 1-2 plays against the Cardinals, Saints, Rams, and Steelers. True, we also had some close losses, but not as many.

4. We benefited heavily from a relatively weak NFC. The Packers were not as good as their record and Rodgers was not comfortable running Lafleur's offense at the time. Last year he was a lot better and there's no reason to think the Packers won't be better this year than they were in 2019. The Saints were the only other team in the NFC viewed as a realistic contender that year and they were pretty flawed. The Rams had a down year with a lot of injuries along the offensive line, but have since upgraded at QB and are likely going to be much better this year. There's also the Bucs with Tom Brady who arguably have the best roster in the NFC and undeniably a better QB than us.

5. The weak NFC lead to us having incredibly favorable playoff matchups. We faced teams with mostly immobile QBs that had defenses that could not stop the run. We only had to pass the ball about 10 times total in 6 quarters, which is good because we struggled when we did pass. That's extremely unlikely to happen again.

In general, making a Super Bowl takes a lot of luck, especially when you don't have a premier QB. We don't have a premier QB. Most would say we don't even have a top 15 QB. It's very hard to win a Super Bowl like that. Every team that is consistently contending every year has done so due to consistent high-level QB play.

All of that said, realistically the odds of us winning or even making the Super Bowl this year are low and don't differ much with either Trey or Jimmy as the QB. I'd rather not postpone the development of our franchise QB in favor of a very slight increase in our low odds of a championship. It's also not certain that Trey with a full season of starts under his belt won't be significantly better than Jimmy by the time the postseason arrives.

I agree with this too. We had a great string of lucky bounces that culminated in a very good shot at a championship in 2019/20. We have similar ingredients for another run this year, but it's unlikely that our team will get those lucky bounces as many times.

I'm on the fence about Jimmy being on the team vs being cut/traded, but I haven't wavered that our best course of action is to start Lance immediately. Take some lumps, have some rookie mistakes but also demonstrate the big plays he can do even now. And every game under his belt will help improve him, and the team.

Ultimately I want to win the SB every year. It's a possibility this year, we're a top 10 team with either QB. I think going into the playoffs with Lance as our QB is better than Jimmy and the more experience Lance has going into the playoffs, the better.

If 2019 is the outlier, then the problem is Shanahan. I know his s**t don't stink on the zone, but I've yet to see him as a good head coach as opposed to a good play designer.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Here's a list of things that fell in our favor in 2019:

1. Relatively easy schedule, especially at the start. This one may also be true this year.

2. We mostly avoided long term injuries. Yes, we had our fair share, but most of the team was back on the field by the time the playoffs rolled around. Yes, we did lose Richburg and an important rotational piece in DJ Jones, but no team remains 100% healthy. Jimmy also stayed healthy, something he has not done in the other three seasons where he started the season as the #1 QB in his career.

It's unknown how things will play out this year on the injury front. We're relatively healthy right now, but it's only August.

3. We won a lot of close games. We were literally an inch away from losing the division to the Seahawks. We also had wins that came down to 1-2 plays against the Cardinals, Saints, Rams, and Steelers. True, we also had some close losses, but not as many.

4. We benefited heavily from a relatively weak NFC. The Packers were not as good as their record and Rodgers was not comfortable running Lafleur's offense at the time. Last year he was a lot better and there's no reason to think the Packers won't be better this year than they were in 2019. The Saints were the only other team in the NFC viewed as a realistic contender that year and they were pretty flawed. The Rams had a down year with a lot of injuries along the offensive line, but have since upgraded at QB and are likely going to be much better this year. There's also the Bucs with Tom Brady who arguably have the best roster in the NFC and undeniably a better QB than us.

5. The weak NFC lead to us having incredibly favorable playoff matchups. We faced teams with mostly immobile QBs that had defenses that could not stop the run. We only had to pass the ball about 10 times total in 6 quarters, which is good because we struggled when we did pass. That's extremely unlikely to happen again.

In general, making a Super Bowl takes a lot of luck, especially when you don't have a premier QB. We don't have a premier QB. Most would say we don't even have a top 15 QB. It's very hard to win a Super Bowl like that. Every team that is consistently contending every year has done so due to consistent high-level QB play.

All of that said, realistically the odds of us winning or even making the Super Bowl this year are low and don't differ much with either Trey or Jimmy as the QB. I'd rather not postpone the development of our franchise QB in favor of a very slight increase in our low odds of a championship. It's also not certain that Trey with a full season of starts under his belt won't be significantly better than Jimmy by the time the postseason arrives.

I agree with this too. We had a great string of lucky bounces that culminated in a very good shot at a championship in 2019/20. We have similar ingredients for another run this year, but it's unlikely that our team will get those lucky bounces as many times.

I'm on the fence about Jimmy being on the team vs being cut/traded, but I haven't wavered that our best course of action is to start Lance immediately. Take some lumps, have some rookie mistakes but also demonstrate the big plays he can do even now. And every game under his belt will help improve him, and the team.

Ultimately I want to win the SB every year. It's a possibility this year, we're a top 10 team with either QB. I think going into the playoffs with Lance as our QB is better than Jimmy and the more experience Lance has going into the playoffs, the better.

I'm with you on this. Treys current issues can be improved immensely with actual game experience . Trey needs to learn he doesn't need to rifle in every pass, he needs to get better at feeling out pressure, and he needs to learn when to take what the defense is giving him.

This isn't a situation where Trey is the understudy to some hall of fame QB. Jimmy is an average to slightly above average QB. He's not some game changer. In fact, he can be a detriment at times with his untimely interceptions that he clearly hasn't improved on.

Roll with Trey and keep Jimmy if Trey happens to go down. Take the early lumps while our schedule is relatively easy in the beginning and hope that Trey improves with each game.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
If 2019 is the outlier, then the problem is Shanahan. I know his s**t don't stink on the zone, but I've yet to see him as a good head coach as opposed to a good play designer.

He built this roster from scratch, installed a system that is proven to work, and the players like him. What exactly makes you say he's not a good HC?

@ 49ersRing good post, just a minor nitpick, Jimmy's only had 3 seasons coming in as the starter, and been injured in two of them. Not 3 out of 4 years as you said. '18 the ACL, '19 Super Bowl, '20 the ankle. This year is obviously his fourth year coming in as the starter but he's not hurt.... 🤞🏽

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Most of the league views Jimmy as a bottom half QB. Somewhere between 16-20. He works in a system like Kyle's that rely's on the run and the short quick passing game. He likely wouldn't do very well in a system that called for him to carry the load and make a lot of big plays.

You just described about 20 other starting QBs

Exactly. That's why every team is always looking for that difference maker. Nearly every QB can execute a QB friendly system as long as the O line is decent (not great) and he has a good running game. Only the exceptional QBs can do well when they don't have much around them and are forced to make plays. That sometimes leads to turnovers but it also produces those highlight reel plays.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
If 2019 is the outlier, then the problem is Shanahan. I know his s**t don't stink on the zone, but I've yet to see him as a good head coach as opposed to a good play designer.

The offense and defense seem well coached to me. The talent is just very uneven.