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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
1. SOS (correction, 14th)
2. AGL
3. Were you looking for weekly blowouts? 2nd best record in football didn't do it for you?
4. Our defense gave up 21 points in the final 5 minutes. Offense couldn't get a first down.
5. Now you just sound silly.
Just now?
Originally posted by NinerBuff:I expect Jimmy to get 2 or 3 series to start game. Then we expect Lance to play a majority of the rest of the game. According to Shanahan, starters will play the 1st quarter, so Lance should also get 2 or 3 series with the 1s.
How the two guys perform in their 2 or 3 series will decide who's going into week 1 the starter. If Lance dramatically outplays Jimmy, it will unleash a media firestorm.
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
yup, even pat mahomes who threw a ton in college wasnt deemed ready to start ahead of alex.
Justin Herbert wasn't deemed ready to start ahead of Taylor, yet got forced into play week 2.
he couldnt beat out tyrod taylor in camp
chargers weren't going anywhere, KC had SB aspirations as do the Niners
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
lol, dude, no s**t. Think about what you're saying for a second. If we only had 3 losses, but had 10 games that were considered "coin-flips" by win probability, then isn't it accurate to say we won a lot of close games?
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
1. SOS (correction, 14th)
2. AGL
3. Were you looking for weekly blowouts? 2nd best record in football didn't do it for you?
4. Our defense gave up 21 points in the final 5 minutes. Offense couldn't get a first down.
5. Now you just sound silly.
Just now?
Originally posted by NYniner85:
No team goes into a season saying "we weren't going anywhere" yeah they clearly were wrong on who "won" the camp battle.
KC thinking they were gonna win a SB with Alex Smith lol…yup that's why they moved up for Mahomes.
I have no idea why we have to keep bringing up Mahomes as one of the only cases of success for letting someone sit for a full yr? What about Locker/love/Brady Quinn?
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I expect Jimmy to get 2 or 3 series to start game. Then we expect Lance to play a majority of the rest of the game. According to Shanahan, starters will play the 1st quarter, so Lance should also get 2 or 3 series with the 1s.
How the two guys perform in their 2 or 3 series will decide who's going into week 1 the starter. If Lance dramatically outplays Jimmy, it will unleash a media firestorm.
week 1 starting QB was decided long ago.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Here's a list of things that fell in our favor in 2019:
1. Relatively easy schedule, especially at the start. This one may also be true this year.
2. We mostly avoided long term injuries. Yes, we had our fair share, but most of the team was back on the field by the time the playoffs rolled around. Yes, we did lose Richburg and an important rotational piece in DJ Jones, but no team remains 100% healthy. Jimmy also stayed healthy, something he has not done in the other three seasons where he started the season as the #1 QB in his career.
It's unknown how things will play out this year on the injury front. We're relatively healthy right now, but it's only August.
3. We won a lot of close games. We were literally an inch away from losing the division to the Seahawks. We also had wins that came down to 1-2 plays against the Cardinals, Saints, Rams, and Steelers. True, we also had some close losses, but not as many.
4. We benefited heavily from a relatively weak NFC. The Packers were not as good as their record and Rodgers was not comfortable running Lafleur's offense at the time. Last year he was a lot better and there's no reason to think the Packers won't be better this year than they were in 2019. The Saints were the only other team in the NFC viewed as a realistic contender that year and they were pretty flawed. The Rams had a down year with a lot of injuries along the offensive line, but have since upgraded at QB and are likely going to be much better this year. There's also the Bucs with Tom Brady who arguably have the best roster in the NFC and undeniably a better QB than us.
5. The weak NFC lead to us having incredibly favorable playoff matchups. We faced teams with mostly immobile QBs that had defenses that could not stop the run. We only had to pass the ball about 10 times total in 6 quarters, which is good because we struggled when we did pass. That's extremely unlikely to happen again.
In general, making a Super Bowl takes a lot of luck, especially when you don't have a premier QB. We don't have a premier QB. Most would say we don't even have a top 15 QB. It's very hard to win a Super Bowl like that. Every team that is consistently contending every year has done so due to consistent high-level QB play.
All of that said, realistically the odds of us winning or even making the Super Bowl this year are low and don't differ much with either Trey or Jimmy as the QB. I'd rather not postpone the development of our franchise QB in favor of a very slight increase in our low odds of a championship. It's also not certain that Trey with a full season of starts under his belt won't be significantly better than Jimmy by the time the postseason arrives.
1. 11th
2. 27th
3. True. Top 5 defense and running game and #1 on 3rd down % is a winning formula + special teams (FG's)
4. We destroyed the playoffs with record breaking performances and were minutes away from wrapping up #6 against the STRONG AFC's best team with tilted scales. Weak argument.
5. 5 is the same as 4. LOL. All #1 seeds are supposed to have the easiest path. That's the point of importance of winning it...against Seattle in Seattle.
The rest is just drivel and baseless.
But if you just prefer Trey to start, that's cool. You should just say that.
1. 11th in what?
2. 27th in what? Starters on IR? Games lost to injury? Playoff starter games lost to injury?
3. That doesn't change the fact that we had more close wins than any other team in the league by a margin of 3 games and that it is a highly volatile stat.
4. We lost to KC by two scores. We dominated two weak opponents in the playoffs. I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not.
5. We were the #1 seed by an inch. Also, show me another #1 seed that only threw the ball <30 times in 2 games.
I've already said I don't see the point in waiting on starting Trey.
1. SOS (correction, 14th)
2. AGL
3. Were you looking for weekly blowouts? 2nd best record in football didn't do it for you?
4. Our defense gave up 21 points in the final 5 minutes. Offense couldn't get a first down.
5. Now you just sound silly.
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I expect Jimmy to get 2 or 3 series to start game. Then we expect Lance to play a majority of the rest of the game. According to Shanahan, starters will play the 1st quarter, so Lance should also get 2 or 3 series with the 1s.
How the two guys perform in their 2 or 3 series will decide who's going into week 1 the starter. If Lance dramatically outplays Jimmy, it will unleash a media firestorm.
week 1 starting QB was decided long ago.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
lol, dude, no s**t. Think about what you're saying for a second. If we only had 3 losses, but had 10 games that were considered "coin-flips" by win probability, then isn't it accurate to say we won a lot of close games?
That's the NFL for you. Most games are coin flips, that are decided by a play or two. You act like it can't happen and every game should be a blow out one way or the other.
"The Seahawks, for example, have made a living based on close games, decided by a play or two, for a decade. Try telling them it's not something that can be counted on."
My point is, you decided to add more weight to games we won that almost lost, and minimized games that we lost but could have easily won. To push a narrative that 2019 was more luck than skill. Even though, the team played their butts off all season and we're dominant through the year. Narrowly losing a SB.
Anyways, moving on. I'm not interested in going back and forth with you all day over this.
Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I expect Jimmy to get 2 or 3 series to start game. Then we expect Lance to play a majority of the rest of the game. According to Shanahan, starters will play the 1st quarter, so Lance should also get 2 or 3 series with the 1s.
How the two guys perform in their 2 or 3 series will decide who's going into week 1 the starter. If Lance dramatically outplays Jimmy, it will unleash a media firestorm.
week 1 starting QB was decided long ago.
This. People are literally making up a competition out of thin air but there isn't one. I really dont understand it.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
No team goes into a season saying "we weren't going anywhere" yeah they clearly were wrong on who "won" the camp battle.
KC thinking they were gonna win a SB with Alex Smith lol…yup that's why they moved up for Mahomes.
I have no idea why we have to keep bringing up Mahomes as one of the only cases of success for letting someone sit for a full yr? What about Locker/love/Brady Quinn?
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
lol, dude, no s**t. Think about what you're saying for a second. If we only had 3 losses, but had 10 games that were considered "coin-flips" by win probability, then isn't it accurate to say we won a lot of close games?
That's the NFL for you. Most games are coin flips, that are decided by a play or two. You act like it can't happen and every game should be a blow out one way or the other.
"The Seahawks, for example, have made a living based on close games, decided by a play or two, for a decade. Try telling them it's not something that can be counted on."
My point is, you decided to add more weight to games we won that almost lost, and minimized games that we lost but could have easily won. To push a narrative that 2019 was more luck than skill. Even though, the team played their butts off all season and we're dominant through the year. Narrowly losing a SB.
Anyways, moving on. I'm not interested in going back and forth with you all day over this.
That's probably for the best. You didn't read what I wrote anyways or the article I posted that showed that we had more coin flip games than any other team in the NFL in 2019. You don't seem to understand that I'm not adding more weight to wins or losses. We literally won more close games than we lost. 7-3 in close games. More close wins than any other team. A stat that is not stable year to year.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I expect Jimmy to get 2 or 3 series to start game. Then we expect Lance to play a majority of the rest of the game. According to Shanahan, starters will play the 1st quarter, so Lance should also get 2 or 3 series with the 1s.
How the two guys perform in their 2 or 3 series will decide who's going into week 1 the starter. If Lance dramatically outplays Jimmy, it will unleash a media firestorm.
week 1 starting QB was decided long ago.
It's what Shanahan has said. And I believe it to be the case currently, but obviously think it's not decided yet.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
It's because posters believed that Trey would come into camp and snatch the starting job from Jimmy, like taking candy from a baby, because he can throw harder and can run faster. They didn't want to hear about the nuances of playing QB in the NFL. They thought because he dominated athletically inferior opponents in college he would be able to walk into an NFL roster and do the same. Ignoring that most defenders in the NFL are as athletically gifted as Trey. So, they are going to stick with that until week 1 rolls around.
