The 2021 49ers Training Camp Thread

Originally posted by TownNiner:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Yeah, I think may be right lol

Anyone else? He said some. I took that as more than one.

It's actually more on Twitter, which is difficult to gauge I guess because trolls be trolling.

I get people have their favourite players but it's all Niners right, whoever is the best and doing the best, who really gives a s**t as long as we're winning and progressing.

Gotcha

If you're a true Niner fan, you're hoping for the best when it comes to Trey.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Jimmy does turn it over but he usually makes up for it the next drive. It's actually, a trait that I like about him. His ability to bounce back from those mistakes. I don't really remember him doing it at critical times to lose a game. Maybe I'm forgetting some.

That's a good trait to have but when you are averaging over a turnover a game it's just a bad result.

I agree. He needs to clean that up, and I'm sure Jimmy would be the first to say that. But, like I said, he doesn't usually do it at critical times. He usually plays his best in crunch time. That's why I thought he would come through in the SB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Andra:
The point that I was making is that putting the rookie in To get reps is not necessarily the recipe for success, players that don't start right away can still play well. I can't say for sure but my guess is that there are just as many first round rookies that struggle and washout of the league than succeed and do well. what's your guess? That having been said I agree that there is little replacement for live reps but if the kid is raw and not ready he should sit behind Jimmy. You have to trust the coaches evaluation. What do you think, should Shanahan's opinion be trusted on who should start or do you put the rookie in and see what he can do?

I'm not saying it's one way and that's it…I'm saying like I have been saying what Lance is lacking is actually playing football games. Reps.

he's been preparing like a pro now for what amounts to a full NFL season. Only difference is he now knows what team he's gonna play for.

throwing out numbers on what 1st rd QBs have failed is meaningless without context of every single QB that failed and why.

ill trust kyle either way…he hasn't said Lance should sit for a full year either. I throw out his quote all the time…he said it's hard to better at football, by not playing football.

My whole point is people bring up 2 scenarios where a QB sat for a yr+ Isn't some proven this is how it has to be done.

I couldn't agree more. To argue that sitting and waiting is the recipe for success is just as foolish as saying starting the kid week one is. There is no sure fire recipe. I trust Shanahan's Judgment as well.
In my opinion though, if it's 50/50 on weather he should start or not I lean towards having him sit and learn and grow hunger to start over having him start and get those reps, and I'm guessing that's were we differ.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Agreed. And Jimmy g is an absolute turnover machine so far in his career. He can get on hot streaks too so I'm not just trying to s**t on him but I really get nervous with Jimmy there.

But he's not a TO machine. And I would expect a raw rookie to turn it over more often

Originally posted by dhp318:
But he's not a TO machine. And I would expect a raw rookie to turn it over more often

Originally posted by dhp318:
But he's not a TO machine. And I would expect a raw rookie to turn it over more often

40 turnovers in 30 games is absolutely a turnover machine. His average turnovers per game are similar to jt O'Sullivan. A mid tier QB like cousins has much less turnovers per game.... There are no two ways about it: Jimmy's propensity to turn the ball over has cost us & will continue to cost us if he hasn't fixed this problem

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Well duh, we only lost 3 games. So, of course we didn't lose as many close games lol

Lost by inches to the Falcons.

Lost to the Seahawks in OT by a missed easy FG

Lost to the Ravens in a game that came down to the wire.

You come across extremely biased when you type stuff like this. Or maybe, you don't remember 2019 that well.

This. The problem with that is many anti-Jimmy 49er fans have selective memory.

The falcons game was an easy win. 7 starters out most on D. If Sherman is in JJ doesn't go bananas.

The Seahawks gave we had an avalanche of injuries. Backup K missed game winning fg. Easy win.

The Ravens game we also had a ton of injuries. Definitely a win, not by much

Originally posted by frenchmov:
40 turnovers in 30 games is absolutely a turnover machine. His average turnovers per game are similar to jt O'Sullivan. A mid tier QB like cousins has much less turnovers per game.... There are no two ways about it: Jimmy's propensity to turn the ball over has cost us & will continue to cost us if he hasn't fixed this problem

I would say the comparison is poor - you should compare the games in which JTO was starting. In his 9 games for SF (his only tenure as a starter), JT had 11 INT and 11 fumbles (6 fumbles lost). That is significantly worse than Garoppolo, and also matches what I saw with my own eyes when watching both players as 49ers.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Well duh, we only lost 3 games. So, of course we didn't lose as many close games lol

Lost by inches to the Falcons.

Lost to the Seahawks in OT by a missed easy FG

Lost to the Ravens in a game that came down to the wire.

You come across extremely biased when you type stuff like this. Or maybe, you don't remember 2019 that well.

This. The problem with that is many anti-Jimmy 49er fans have selective memory.

The falcons game was an easy win. 7 starters out most on D. If Sherman is in JJ doesn't go bananas.

The Seahawks gave we had an avalanche of injuries. Backup K missed game winning fg. Easy win.

The Ravens game we also had a ton of injuries. Definitely a win, not by much

Falcons game should've been a win even with all those starters out. We lock that game up if George Kittle doesn't have his first career fumble…when he wasn't even touched. He simply lost the ball when trying to switch hands. If he doesn't do that he easily gets the first down we need to kill the clock and win the game.

Are people honesty questioning our accomplishments in 2019? We were one of the most injured teams that season and still went to the SB where we blew a 2 score lead with 7 minutes to play. What the hell are people doing here?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Well duh, we only lost 3 games. So, of course we didn't lose as many close games lol

Lost by inches to the Falcons.

Lost to the Seahawks in OT by a missed easy FG

Lost to the Ravens in a game that came down to the wire.

You come across extremely biased when you type stuff like this. Or maybe, you don't remember 2019 that well.

This. The problem with that is many anti-Jimmy 49er fans have selective memory.

The falcons game was an easy win. 7 starters out most on D. If Sherman is in JJ doesn't go bananas.

The Seahawks gave we had an avalanche of injuries. Backup K missed game winning fg. Easy win.

The Ravens game we also had a ton of injuries. Definitely a win, not by much

Falcons game should've been a win even with all those starters out. We lock that game up if George Kittle doesn't have his first career fumble…when he wasn't even touched. He simply lost the ball when trying to switch hands. If he doesn't do that he easily gets the first down we need to kill the clock and win the game.

Are people honesty questioning our accomplishments in 2019? We were one of the most injured teams that season and still went to the SB where we blew a 2 score lead with 7 minutes to play. What the hell are people doing here?

Everything that happened that season were figments of our imagination. We should chalk it up to luck. You know because we won more close games than we lost. We shouldn't have SB aspirations this season because the lucky 2019 season never should have happened.

All jokes aside, you and El Guapo are correct. Some just want to re-write history to fit their narrative.

Originally posted by Andra:
I couldn't agree more. To argue that sitting and waiting is the recipe for success is just as foolish as saying starting the kid week one is. There is no sure fire recipe. I trust Shanahan's Judgment as well.
In my opinion though, if it's 50/50 on weather he should start or not I lean towards having him sit and learn and grow hunger to start over having him start and get those reps, and I'm guessing that's were we differ.

That's all fair.

FWIW I have never said Lance needs to be the day one starter. if he's not confident running the plays or his mechanics are a mess, then yes let him sit for as long as he has too to work on that stuff.

My debate has been against the crowd that say sitting for a year will make him vastly better than if he actually played football…everyone's counter is Mahomes. I'm assuming they're gonna expect him to throw for 50 TDs in 2022, only to realize what Mahomes has done isn't the norm.

also I don't doubt Lance is hungry to start and is doing whatever he can to be put in a position to do that…no one is saying hand him the job. End of the day live football is what will help him develop the most imo.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I worry that if you throw Lance out there and let him get beat like Justin Fields got beat today, its not going to teach him anything, just reinforce bad habits and make him impatient and squeamish in the pocket. You're talking about a QB who had one season of play and at a lower level of competition in an offense that rarely required him to throw the ball more than 15 times a game.

I think too many people in their excitement to see the shiny new toy out on the field have lost sight of just how enormous his learning curve was going to be. A lot of others got lost in the hype of practice sessions where he showed a lot of promise but that are still a far cry from actual NFL action when the bullets are flying and defenders are trying to come and rip your head off.

I just don't see a need to rush anything. You sit him for a season or even most of the season and that is more time that he has to see the offense in action, to study film and continue working on his mechanics and build up his confidence.

Even with this, Lance will get packages in games, play during garbage time and likely start game 18 if we clinch the playoffs early.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
i dont think you understand my point

im saying the great pat mahomes couldnt beat out alex his rookie year. its not a knock on trey if he cant as well. his time will come.

so we're really gonna believe taylor truly "won" the competition only to go 16-30 for 200 yards week 1 and it only took Herbert one week to "flip the switch" and go on to break all kinds of rookie QB records?

nah not buying it. Either the coaching staff was stupid or they just didn't want him to start regardless.

Mahomes like every other QB is there own person…I understand what you're saying but it really annoying to read over and over in here "well look at Mahomes" like that's what happens every time a QB sits for a yr or doesn't win the starter spot in camp

LMAO

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Andra:
I couldn't agree more. To argue that sitting and waiting is the recipe for success is just as foolish as saying starting the kid week one is. There is no sure fire recipe. I trust Shanahan's Judgment as well.
In my opinion though, if it's 50/50 on weather he should start or not I lean towards having him sit and learn and grow hunger to start over having him start and get those reps, and I'm guessing that's were we differ.

That's all fair.

FWIW I have never said Lance needs to be the day one starter. if he's not confident running the plays or his mechanics are a mess, then yes let him sit for as long as he has too to work on that stuff.

My debate has been against the crowd that say sitting for a year will make him vastly better than if he actually played football…everyone's counter is Mahomes. I'm assuming they're gonna expect him to throw for 50 TDs in 2022, only to realize what Mahomes has done isn't the norm.

also I don't doubt Lance is hungry to start and is doing whatever he can to be put in a position to do that…no one is saying hand him the job. End of the day live football is what will help him develop the most imo.

lol i dont think anyone who holds the opinion of sitting a very inexperienced Trey Lance is expecting that. lol at that wild leap of an assumption.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
i dont think you understand my point

im saying the great pat mahomes couldnt beat out alex his rookie year. its not a knock on trey if he cant as well. his time will come.

so we're really gonna believe taylor truly "won" the competition only to go 16-30 for 200 yards week 1 and it only took Herbert one week to "flip the switch" and go on to break all kinds of rookie QB records?

nah not buying it. Either the coaching staff was stupid or they just didn't want him to start regardless.

Mahomes like every other QB is there own person…I understand what you're saying but it really annoying to read over and over in here "well look at Mahomes" like that's what happens every time a QB sits for a yr or doesn't win the starter spot in camp

LMAO

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
i'm only using mahomes as an example of it being OK if Lance sits for a bit. Kyle works closely with Lance everyday, I trust his judgement.

I don't see how you can have a kid with one yr of football (as a freshman), that would then end up sitting out multiple yrs of football coming in and being the starter in 2022…and expect instant success "like Mahomes"…people better not be expecting 50TDs out the gate because that's what people will be expecting with all these Mahomes talk.

he should play at some point this yr, legit in the pocket snaps not just a couple RZ ZRs.

just my opinion, we will see.

holy f**k i give up lol