The 2021 49ers Training Camp Thread

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Jimmy has started 30 games for us. In those 30 games, he has thrown 26 ints. He has fumbled 17 times in that span and we have recovered 12. So he has 31 turnovers in 30 games for us. I was high but a turnover a game average is pretty terrible to be honest. If you look at most of the top 10 QBs, they're not doing that and certainly have a better TD/int ratio than 2:1 (Jimmy's with us).

All I'm saying is if your concern with Trey is "well he might turn the ball over". Jimmy already does this.

meh you'd have a stronger point if JGs W/L record was a negative. he's won 75% of his career starts.

and there's also this from 2019

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2019/11/20/49ers-jimmy-garoppolo-interceptions-stats/

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I would hope no one would put those kinds of expectations on his redshirt rookie season. Mahomes is the outlier there. It's likely that if we sit Lance all year that the Lance we get in week one 2022 won't be that much different than the one we'd get in week one 2021. He'll still have to go through a lot of the same rookie bumps. You can only learn so much on the bench or from watching film. It might be a bit different if we had an Alex Smith-like type here to help him, but unfortunately that's not the case.

This is not even close to being true.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I would hope no one would put those kinds of expectations on his redshirt rookie season. Mahomes is the outlier there. It's likely that if we sit Lance all year that the Lance we get in week one 2022 won't be that much different than the one we'd get in week one 2021. He'll still have to go through a lot of the same rookie bumps. You can only learn so much on the bench or from watching film. It might be a bit different if we had an Alex Smith-like type here to help him, but unfortunately that's not the case.

This is not even close to being true.

You're right. If he only gets a handful of snaps this year, it'll be almost 3 years since he's last played a meaningful game. He'll likely be worse.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Jimmy has started 30 games for us. In those 30 games, he has thrown 26 ints. He has fumbled 17 times in that span and we have recovered 12. So he has 31 turnovers in 30 games for us. I was high but a turnover a game average is pretty terrible to be honest. If you look at most of the top 10 QBs, they're not doing that and certainly have a better TD/int ratio than 2:1 (Jimmy's with us).

All I'm saying is if your concern with Trey is "well he might turn the ball over". Jimmy already does this.

meh you'd have a stronger point if JGs W/L record was a negative. he's won 75% of his career starts.

and there's also this from 2019

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2019/11/20/49ers-jimmy-garoppolo-interceptions-stats/

Why is he not able to play like that without the interceptions? The Arizona game they reference required the defense to force a 3 and out after his interception for us to get the ball back with enough time for the game winning drive.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Why is he not able to play like that without the interceptions? The Arizona game they reference required the defense to force a 3 and out after his interception for us to get the ball back with enough time for the game winning drive.

he's a gunslinger. look at someone like Brett Favre's INT numbers. you need to understand JG still hasn't reached 1000 pass attempts in his career.

the important point of the article was that he doesn't compound his mistakes.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Lol yea hes just going to magically flip the switch. Hes still making the same turnover mistakes hes done since he got here back in 2017.

This

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Why is he not able to play like that without the interceptions? The Arizona game they reference required the defense to force a 3 and out after his interception for us to get the ball back with enough time for the game winning drive.

he's a gunslinger. look at someone like Brett Favre's INT numbers. you need to understand JG still hasn't reached 1000 pass attempts in his career.

the important point of the article was that he doesn't compound his mistakes.

He was 30th in average depth of target in 2019 (6.5 yards per attempt, last amongst QBs that played all 16 games). I'm not sure I'd call that a gunslinger. It just seems like he loses focus or gets careless and then an interception refocuses him.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Not sure where you are getting your stats. Just making them up I assume. According to every source I could find Jimmy has 26 interceptions in 48 career games. I couldn't find a site that listed fumbles lost but I seriously doubt it is as high as 14. I can only remember a couple in the time he's been in SF and he didn't play enough in NE to wrack up many there. Did you really think you could get away with something that was so easy to disprove just to try and score some cheap points. I am not saying 26 ints in 48 games is anything to write home about but it is a far cry from 40 turnovers in 30 games. Plus he also has 51 TDs, which is about a 2 to 1 ratio which seems pretty normal. I guess some people will lie about anything.

Thanks for Catching that one. He had a lot of lost fumbles which sucks but he still has a 2 to 1 ratio which is very acceptable but with Trey it's going to be far less and that's good for us bc turnovers are the #1 determining factor in winning/losing a game

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Why is he not able to play like that without the interceptions? The Arizona game they reference required the defense to force a 3 and out after his interception for us to get the ball back with enough time for the game winning drive.

he's a gunslinger. look at someone like Brett Favre's INT numbers. you need to understand JG still hasn't reached 1000 pass attempts in his career.

the important point of the article was that he doesn't compound his mistakes.

He was 30th in average depth of target in 2019 (6.5 yards per attempt, last amongst QBs that played all 16 games). I'm not sure I'd call that a gunslinger. It just seems like he loses focus or gets careless and then an interception refocuses him.

being a gunslinger is a mentality and has nothing to do with arm strength.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Why is he not able to play like that without the interceptions? The Arizona game they reference required the defense to force a 3 and out after his interception for us to get the ball back with enough time for the game winning drive.

he's a gunslinger. look at someone like Brett Favre's INT numbers. you need to understand JG still hasn't reached 1000 pass attempts in his career.

the important point of the article was that he doesn't compound his mistakes.

He was 30th in average depth of target in 2019 (6.5 yards per attempt, last amongst QBs that played all 16 games). I'm not sure I'd call that a gunslinger. It just seems like he loses focus or gets careless and then an interception refocuses him.

being a gunslinger is a mentality and has nothing to do with arm strength.

I didn't say it did have anything to do with arm strength. I do think the term typically refers to those that push the ball down the field, try to fit the ball into tight windows, or attempt risky/low probability throws. The majority of Jimmy's ints seem to be from not seeing defenders, misdiagnosing the defense, or general inaccuracy rather than trying to fit the ball into small windows.

Jimmy is kind of the worst of both worlds. His turnovers are usually pretty brutal and just bad throws. If he was a true gunslinger and getting turnovers bc he's challenging the defense, putting up 50/50 balls, etc. I can accept it.

But no. So many of his ints are head scratchers like "wtf were you looking at??" I'm willing to live with some turnovers if he's pushing the envelope but he really isn't. He depends on papa shanny to draw up some gimme plays and if that doesn't work it's tough sledding because he doesn't throw outside and he doesn't throw deep.

If he starts I hope he makes me look like an idiot and the switch has flipped. But my opinion is he is what he is: an average NFL starter (15-20 range) propped up by a coach who comes up with extremely QB friendly reads (also evidenced by the fact that Mullens has the 2nd most all time passing yards through 16 games w shanny but looks f**king non functional in Philly)

Prove me wrong Jim!

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I would hope no one would put those kinds of expectations on his redshirt rookie season. Mahomes is the outlier there. It's likely that if we sit Lance all year that the Lance we get in week one 2022 won't be that much different than the one we'd get in week one 2021. He'll still have to go through a lot of the same rookie bumps. You can only learn so much on the bench or from watching film. It might be a bit different if we had an Alex Smith-like type here to help him, but unfortunately that's not the case.

This is not even close to being true.

You're right. If he only gets a handful of snaps this year, it'll be almost 3 years since he's last played a meaningful game. He'll likely be worse.

Again not true, and the point you are trying to make it isn't grounded in reality.

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Lol yea hes just going to magically flip the switch. Hes still making the same turnover mistakes hes done since he got here back in 2017.

This

Because no one in the history of the NFL has ever improved...right? Jesus

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Lol yea hes just going to magically flip the switch. Hes still making the same turnover mistakes hes done since he got here back in 2017.

This

Because no one in the history of the NFL has ever improved...right? Jesus

Because everyone in the history of the NFL has just stopped throwing picks when they want to. Christ

see I just did what you did

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Why is he not able to play like that without the interceptions? The Arizona game they reference required the defense to force a 3 and out after his interception for us to get the ball back with enough time for the game winning drive.

he's a gunslinger. look at someone like Brett Favre's INT numbers. you need to understand JG still hasn't reached 1000 pass attempts in his career.

the important point of the article was that he doesn't compound his mistakes.

He was 30th in average depth of target in 2019 (6.5 yards per attempt, last amongst QBs that played all 16 games). I'm not sure I'd call that a gunslinger. It just seems like he loses focus or gets careless and then an interception refocuses him.

Ah yes, the all important way games are won, by yards per attempt measurements...never mind that he was the best qb in the league at third down conversions.