The 2021 49ers Training Camp Thread

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Lol yea hes just going to magically flip the switch. Hes still making the same turnover mistakes hes done since he got here back in 2017.

This

Because no one in the history of the NFL has ever improved...right? Jesus

Because everyone in the history of the NFL has just stopped throwing picks when they want to. Christ

see I just did what you did

Yes, you showed that you don't think NFL players can improve their game. Which is an opinion you are entitled to, no matter how ridiculous it is.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I would hope no one would put those kinds of expectations on his redshirt rookie season. Mahomes is the outlier there. It's likely that if we sit Lance all year that the Lance we get in week one 2022 won't be that much different than the one we'd get in week one 2021. He'll still have to go through a lot of the same rookie bumps. You can only learn so much on the bench or from watching film. It might be a bit different if we had an Alex Smith-like type here to help him, but unfortunately that's not the case.

This is not even close to being true.

You're right. If he only gets a handful of snaps this year, it'll be almost 3 years since he's last played a meaningful game. He'll likely be worse.

Again not true, and the point you are trying to make it isn't grounded in reality.

Hmm, if you say so, but nobody has made a persuasive argument for how sitting on the bench or running a handful of zone reads is going to help Lance more than playing. There's a lot he's only going to learn from playing as a QB in real games (and not whatever glorified RB package we'll see). If he doesn't take his rookie bumps this year, he'll take them next year, but he will go through them.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Lol yea hes just going to magically flip the switch. Hes still making the same turnover mistakes hes done since he got here back in 2017.

This

Because no one in the history of the NFL has ever improved...right? Jesus

Because everyone in the history of the NFL has just stopped throwing picks when they want to. Christ

see I just did what you did

Yes, you showed that you don't think NFL players can improve their game. Which is an opinion you are entitled to, no matter how ridiculous it is.

What do you think Jimmy has improved on in his 4 years here?

Game Day!

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Lol yea hes just going to magically flip the switch. Hes still making the same turnover mistakes hes done since he got here back in 2017.

This

Because no one in the history of the NFL has ever improved...right? Jesus

Because everyone in the history of the NFL has just stopped throwing picks when they want to. Christ

see I just did what you did

Yes, you showed that you don't think NFL players can improve their game. Which is an opinion you are entitled to, no matter how ridiculous it is.

no, I showed that using your logic we should never cut any player ever because NFL players can improve their game no matter how ridiculous it is, but thats an opinion you're entitled to.

See I just did what you did again

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Ah yes, the all important way games are won, by yards per attempt measurements...never mind that he was the best qb in the league at third down conversions.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Yes, you showed that you don't think NFL players can improve their game. Which is an opinion you are entitled to, no matter how ridiculous it is.

I think people can still hold the opinion that jimmy g is what he is. However, we should probably all agree his play will improve now by simply having Aiyuk and Mack at center.

good night brothers, go 49ERS!

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
good night brothers, go 49ERS!

Night "See you at DA Parti Richter!"

Go niners....no injuries pretty please

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Lol yea hes just going to magically flip the switch. Hes still making the same turnover mistakes hes done since he got here back in 2017.

This

Because no one in the history of the NFL has ever improved...right? Jesus

Because everyone in the history of the NFL has just stopped throwing picks when they want to. Christ

see I just did what you did

Yes, you showed that you don't think NFL players can improve their game. Which is an opinion you are entitled to, no matter how ridiculous it is.

no, I showed that using your logic we should never cut any player ever because NFL players can improve their game no matter how ridiculous it is, but thats an opinion you're entitled to.

See I just did what you did again

No, you didn't, lol.

Originally posted by boast:
he's a gunslinger. look at someone like Brett Favre's INT numbers. you need to understand JG still hasn't reached 1000 pass attempts in his career.

the important point of the article was that he doesn't compound his mistakes.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Lol yea hes just going to magically flip the switch. Hes still making the same turnover mistakes hes done since he got here back in 2017.

This

Because no one in the history of the NFL has ever improved...right? Jesus

Because everyone in the history of the NFL has just stopped throwing picks when they want to. Christ

see I just did what you did

Yes, you showed that you don't think NFL players can improve their game. Which is an opinion you are entitled to, no matter how ridiculous it is.

no, I showed that using your logic we should never cut any player ever because NFL players can improve their game no matter how ridiculous it is, but thats an opinion you're entitled to.

See I just did what you did again

Fyi, Memphis spent like 7 years here defending Alex and just telling us he needs more time. Some people just never learn.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Once our defense started having injuries games got close. You're terrible with context, and your insane hate for the starting qb is clearly having a detrimental effect on your thinking.

Bingo. It's funny how some people love leaving s**t out to try to push their narrative.

How does bringing up injuries add anything? The fact is we still had more "coin-flip" (<60% win probability in the final minutes for either team) games in 2019 (10) than any other team. The fact is that winning those games is statistically proven to not be stable year to year. It's also true that teams that win a high number of them typically experience some regression towards the mean in the percentage of those games that they win in the following years. Winning a lot of games in the NFL is hard to do year after year, especially without a top 10 QB and it's even harder without a top 15 or top 20 QB.

There's also zero reason to assume we'll have less injuries this year than we had in 2019.

Did you look up how many close games the Seahawks won that year? Packers?

The fact that we were still playing for the division week 17 vs Seattle was an absolute stroke of luck for…SEATTLE.

DVOA was a major advantage for us, so were most analytics. Seattle got absolutely lucky as hell that they beat us earlier in the year and needed us to be completely devastated by injury to the point where we had a backup kicker out there…a backup kicker who missed a fairly straight forward would be winning kick in OT. Their awful pass rush all year long suddenly came alive against us that game which included Staley coming back from injury but injuring himself during that game.

We were rolling them before Sanders went out of the game.

Save the close game win BS. We had 5 wins with 1 score or less difference.

Steelers game where it wasn't even close if not for the 5 turnovers.
Arizona game where they got a fluke 88 yard TD with less than 5 minutes to play.
Saints game where we earned that win 100%.
Rams where Jimmy had 2 major clutch 3rd and long conversions to get us into winning FG range.
Seahawks which never should've come down to that tackle if the refs don't intervene.

Where's the luck you're implying?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Once our defense started having injuries games got close. You're terrible with context, and your insane hate for the starting qb is clearly having a detrimental effect on your thinking.

Bingo. It's funny how some people love leaving s**t out to try to push their narrative.

How does bringing up injuries add anything? The fact is we still had more "coin-flip" (<60% win probability in the final minutes for either team) games in 2019 (10) than any other team. The fact is that winning those games is statistically proven to not be stable year to year. It's also true that teams that win a high number of them typically experience some regression towards the mean in the percentage of those games that they win in the following years. Winning a lot of games in the NFL is hard to do year after year, especially without a top 10 QB and it's even harder without a top 15 or top 20 QB.

There's also zero reason to assume we'll have less injuries this year than we had in 2019.

Did you look up how many close games the Seahawks won that year? Packers?

The fact that we were still playing for the division week 17 vs Seattle was an absolute stroke of luck for…SEATTLE.

DVOA was a major advantage for us, so were most analytics. Seattle got absolutely lucky as hell that they beat us earlier in the year and needed us to be completely devastated by injury to the point where we had a backup kicker out there…a backup kicker who missed a fairly straight forward would be winning kick in OT. Their awful pass rush all year long suddenly came alive against us that game which included Staley coming back from injury but injuring himself during that game.

We were rolling them before Sanders went out of the game.

Save the close game win BS. We had 5 wins with 1 score or less difference.

Steelers game where it wasn't even close if not for the 5 turnovers.
Arizona game where they got a fluke 88 yard TD with less than 5 minutes to play.
Saints game where we earned that win 100%.
Rams where Jimmy had 2 major clutch 3rd and long conversions to get us into winning FG range.
Seahawks which never should've come down to that tackle if the refs don't intervene.

Where's the luck you're implying?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/not-all-close-nfl-wins-were-actually-close/

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Once our defense started having injuries games got close. You're terrible with context, and your insane hate for the starting qb is clearly having a detrimental effect on your thinking.

Bingo. It's funny how some people love leaving s**t out to try to push their narrative.

How does bringing up injuries add anything? The fact is we still had more "coin-flip" (<60% win probability in the final minutes for either team) games in 2019 (10) than any other team. The fact is that winning those games is statistically proven to not be stable year to year. It's also true that teams that win a high number of them typically experience some regression towards the mean in the percentage of those games that they win in the following years. Winning a lot of games in the NFL is hard to do year after year, especially without a top 10 QB and it's even harder without a top 15 or top 20 QB.

There's also zero reason to assume we'll have less injuries this year than we had in 2019.

Did you look up how many close games the Seahawks won that year? Packers?

The fact that we were still playing for the division week 17 vs Seattle was an absolute stroke of luck for…SEATTLE.

DVOA was a major advantage for us, so were most analytics. Seattle got absolutely lucky as hell that they beat us earlier in the year and needed us to be completely devastated by injury to the point where we had a backup kicker out there…a backup kicker who missed a fairly straight forward would be winning kick in OT. Their awful pass rush all year long suddenly came alive against us that game which included Staley coming back from injury but injuring himself during that game.

We were rolling them before Sanders went out of the game.

Save the close game win BS. We had 5 wins with 1 score or less difference.

Steelers game where it wasn't even close if not for the 5 turnovers.
Arizona game where they got a fluke 88 yard TD with less than 5 minutes to play.
Saints game where we earned that win 100%.
Rams where Jimmy had 2 major clutch 3rd and long conversions to get us into winning FG range.
Seahawks which never should've come down to that tackle if the refs don't intervene.

Where's the luck you're implying?

The fact is most NFL games are decided by 7 points or less. That's why you rarely see odds of more that 6-7 points. A lot of games a re decided on the last drive and won with a FG. That's the parity the league wants. Three or 4 good teams, 3 or 4 bad teams and the rest of them all battling for a chance to get in the playoffs. You end up with roughly 20-24 teams that could make the playoffs if everything goes right. Easy schedule. Players staying healthy. A few lucky breaks here and there.

Has shnny revealed how many drives the ones will get and how many Lance will get with the ones?