The 2021 49ers Training Camp Thread

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Jimmy has started 30 games for us. In those 30 games, he has thrown 26 ints. He has fumbled 17 times in that span and we have recovered 12. So he has 31 turnovers in 30 games for us. I was high but a turnover a game average is pretty terrible to be honest. If you look at most of the top 10 QBs, they're not doing that and certainly have a better TD/int ratio than 2:1 (Jimmy's with us).

All I'm saying is if your concern with Trey is "well he might turn the ball over". Jimmy already does this.

Okay, I am always willing to admit when I'm wrong. Finally found a site that listed Jimmy's fumbles and you were right. He had has a fair number. Sorry for casting aspersions. Still, as someone else pointed out he wins way more than he loses so his turnovers don't usually end up costing us games. Though clearly it is something you would hope he can improve upon. But as someone else tried to argue, I also don't think Lance's eye opening 28-0 TD to interception ratio from his one year of Division II football is anything that he can realistically be expected to carry over into the NFL. Seems to me in the clips I've seen from training camp he has already had more picks in camp than in his college career to go along with several other potential picks that were dropped. No big big deal since it is just training camp but the fact remains that he will be seeing a lot of looks in the NFL that he never saw in college so it is difficult to project how his potential stat line may or may not be better than Jimmy's.

Just to be clear I have no real issues with Lance, I hope he turns out to be great. I'm just not sold on him being a starter on a potential Super Bowl caliber roster that already has a guy who has proven he is good enough to get the team where it wants to go. After last year's train wreck of a season I would like to see the team maximize it's potential and I don't think they will be able to do that by starting a rookie who has so little actual game experience. Just my take though and I could end up being completely wrong about it. Time will tell I guess. Go Niners!

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Lol yea hes just going to magically flip the switch. Hes still making the same turnover mistakes hes done since he got here back in 2017.

2017 Jimmy was just ad libbing and using a pared down play book.

2019 Jimmy just came off of an ACL injury which is typically an off year for a QB. People forget that. That was pretty good for an off year.

I am expecting a huge year from Jimmy because he's never had a fully healthy season while having full command of the playbook. Jimmy looked good in the Jets game last year when he wasn't just throwing to Dante Pettis and Kendrick Bourne.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
All I'm saying is if your concern with Trey is "well he might turn the ball over". Jimmy already does this.

This doesn't really hold water. Are you saying that you don't think it can get any worse than 1 TO/game? Because it can be a lot worse.

Garoppolo's TO numbers are high relative to the number of high risk/high reward throws that he makes. But I don't think 1 TO/game is "terrible", just below average. Ultimately, it's the throws that Garoppolo doesn't make that are the problem.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Has shnny revealed how many drives the ones will get and how many Lance will get with the ones?

He hasn't but

Originally posted by dhp318:
This doesn't really hold water. Are you saying that you don't think it can get any worse than 1 TO/game? Because it can be a lot worse.

Garoppolo's TO numbers are high relative to the number of high risk/high reward throws that he makes. But I don't think 1 TO/game is "terrible", just below average. Ultimately, it's the throws that Garoppolo doesn't make that are the problem.

That is Jimmy's story. Average or below average in too many areas. With Trey I'm sure you could see that turnover rate, BUT you'd also get a much more diverse offense.

If Jimmy was turning the ball over but really challenging the defense in the process (ala favre) fine. But that's not what's happening here

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by dhp318:
This doesn't really hold water. Are you saying that you don't think it can get any worse than 1 TO/game? Because it can be a lot worse.

Garoppolo's TO numbers are high relative to the number of high risk/high reward throws that he makes. But I don't think 1 TO/game is "terrible", just below average. Ultimately, it's the throws that Garoppolo doesn't make that are the problem.

That is Jimmy's story. Average or below average in too many areas. With Trey I'm sure you could see that turnover rate, BUT you'd also get a much more diverse offense.

If Jimmy was turning the ball over but really challenging the defense in the process (ala favre) fine. But that's not what's happening here

I don't know, Jimmy makes a lot of extremely tight throws throughout games that only his type of release allows.

If it was the case that he was making a bunch of easy throws, then Mullens would be able to operate the offense with the same success. Jimmy makes some impressive throws, which is why we win with him.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
That is Jimmy's story. Average or below average in too many areas. With Trey I'm sure you could see that turnover rate, BUT you'd also get a much more diverse offense.

If Jimmy was turning the ball over but really challenging the defense in the process (ala favre) fine. But that's not what's happening here

You think Trey right now is only going to average a TO/game? Based on what we saw last week, that's certainly not going to be the case. You're acting like 1 TO/game is a worst case scenario.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
2017 Jimmy was just ad libbing and using a pared down play book.

2019 Jimmy just came off of an ACL injury which is typically an off year for a QB. People forget that. That was pretty good for an off year.

I am expecting a huge year from Jimmy because he's never had a fully healthy season while having full command of the playbook. Jimmy looked good in the Jets game last year when he wasn't just throwing to Dante Pettis and Kendrick Bourne.

The days when some thought we had the deepest wide out group and they would be rocks for us for years. pettis bourne james and taylor . were we ever that young and foolish?

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Has shnny revealed how many drives the ones will get and how many Lance will get with the ones?

He hasn't but

Guess: A quarter for Garoppolo, two quarters for Lance, one quarter for Sudfeld, no quarters for Rosen. (I'm iffy on the last one). https://t.co/ZgyGxvW6bk

— Matt Barrows (@mattbarrows) August 22, 2021

Did barrows forget that Rosen was cut?

When someone's favorite QB loses it's because the line didn't give him time to throw or the receivers suck. When the team wins it's all because of the QB. Every winning team needs good balance on offense and defense along with good coaching. If they ge tall that then all they need is good fortune. I hate it when people say this guy or that guy is a winner because his team wins.No matter how good one player is, you can't win without a good team around you. The Niners won a lot of games in 2019 but it wasn't because of Jimmy or Deebo or Kittle. They certainly were part of it but the defense had as much or more to do with them them getting into the playoffs.

Originally posted by cciowa:
The days when some thought we had the deepest wide out group and they would be rocks for us for years. pettis bourne james and taylor . were we ever that young and foolish?

That never happened.

Is barrows making a joke about Rosen? he was cut?

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Is barrows making a joke about Rosen? he was cut?

yes. MB has never been a fan of Rosen.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by cciowa:
The days when some thought we had the deepest wide out group and they would be rocks for us for years. pettis bourne james and taylor . were we ever that young and foolish?

That never happened.

You are dead wrong but thats fine.. when some of us dared said we could do better. we were lectured on kyle and how the offense is built around these quote.. little ankle breaking guys. the denial that we needed better wide outs from some was evident in the hours before the sanders trade and some were outraged cuz we were just " fine". you may just choose to remember what you want but the posts of is our offensive line that bad and are our wide outs that bad etch in my memory

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
2017 Jimmy was just ad libbing and using a pared down play book.

2019 Jimmy just came off of an ACL injury which is typically an off year for a QB. People forget that. That was pretty good for an off year.

I am expecting a huge year from Jimmy because he's never had a fully healthy season while having full command of the playbook. Jimmy looked good in the Jets game last year when he wasn't just throwing to Dante Pettis and Kendrick Bourne.

The Jets we're pretty awful though last year. Jimmy's last two full games played, The cards and the super bowl, not good outings for JG by any means. He'll have to play with more confidence this year If we're to reach the playoffs