The 2021 49ers Training Camp Thread

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
2017 Jimmy was just ad libbing and using a pared down play book.

2019 Jimmy just came off of an ACL injury which is typically an off year for a QB. People forget that. That was pretty good for an off year.

I am expecting a huge year from Jimmy because he's never had a fully healthy season while having full command of the playbook. Jimmy looked good in the Jets game last year when he wasn't just throwing to Dante Pettis and Kendrick Bourne.

The Jets we're pretty awful though last year. Jimmy's last two full games played, The cards and the super bowl, not good outings for JG by any means. He'll have to play with more confidence this year If we're to reach the playoffs

He hasn't had a legitimately good game since 2019.

what part of JG's 3 TD performance last year in beating the Rams top defense wasnt legitimate?

He had a total of 45 air yards. 268 Passing yards, 223 YAC. That's good offense from Shanahan, but the QB was not asked to do a whole lot.

This is a prime example of a Gold Medal performance in mental gymnastics.

In order to get those YAC, you need good ball placement. In order to deliver those good passes that allow those receivers to get the ball in their hands the QB has to make good reads pre and post snap and if necessary call an audible. Kyle can't do that part nor can the rest of the offense.

You can try and cherry pick stats to try and push a narrative but all you accomplished was a post that is filled with a rather ignorant content/take that assumes a QBs job is simple if the OC/playcaller has a good offense. You can have a perfect game plan but it still requires a QB to execute it in order for that perfection to translate from what was on paper to on the field.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
2017 Jimmy was just ad libbing and using a pared down play book.

2019 Jimmy just came off of an ACL injury which is typically an off year for a QB. People forget that. That was pretty good for an off year.

I am expecting a huge year from Jimmy because he's never had a fully healthy season while having full command of the playbook. Jimmy looked good in the Jets game last year when he wasn't just throwing to Dante Pettis and Kendrick Bourne.

The Jets we're pretty awful though last year. Jimmy's last two full games played, The cards and the super bowl, not good outings for JG by any means. He'll have to play with more confidence this year If we're to reach the playoffs

He hasn't had a legitimately good game since 2019.

what part of JG's 3 TD performance last year in beating the Rams top defense wasnt legitimate?

He had a total of 45 air yards. 268 Passing yards, 223 YAC. That's good offense from Shanahan, but the QB was not asked to do a whole lot.

This is a prime example of a Gold Medal performance in mental gymnastics.

In order to get those YAC, you need good ball placement. In order to deliver those good passes that allow those receivers to get the ball in their hands the QB has to make good reads pre and post snap and if necessary call an audible. Kyle can't do that part nor can the rest of the offense.

You can try and cherry pick stats to try and push a narrative but all you accomplished was a post that is filled with a rather ignorant content/take that assumes a QBs job is simple if the OC/playcaller has a good offense. You can have a perfect game plan but it still requires a QB to execute it in order for that perfection to translate from what was on paper to on the field.

PFF charted Jimmy as only having slightly above average accuracy on his passes accounting for ball placement. In fact, the EYAC based on accuracy is a lot lower than the actual YAC which indicates that the play design and pass catchers were more responsible for the YAC than anything the QB did. Ultimately 45 air yards is 45 air yards and that's not indicative of a QB that did a whole lot. That's not to say Jimmy played poorly, but he wasn't really asked to do anything (which made sense due to his ankle injury).

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
2017 Jimmy was just ad libbing and using a pared down play book.

2019 Jimmy just came off of an ACL injury which is typically an off year for a QB. People forget that. That was pretty good for an off year.

I am expecting a huge year from Jimmy because he's never had a fully healthy season while having full command of the playbook. Jimmy looked good in the Jets game last year when he wasn't just throwing to Dante Pettis and Kendrick Bourne.

The Jets we're pretty awful though last year. Jimmy's last two full games played, The cards and the super bowl, not good outings for JG by any means. He'll have to play with more confidence this year If we're to reach the playoffs

He hasn't had a legitimately good game since 2019.

what part of JG's 3 TD performance last year in beating the Rams top defense wasnt legitimate?

He had a total of 45 air yards. 268 Passing yards, 223 YAC. That's good offense from Shanahan, but the QB was not asked to do a whole lot.

This is a prime example of a Gold Medal performance in mental gymnastics.

In order to get those YAC, you need good ball placement. In order to deliver those good passes that allow those receivers to get the ball in their hands the QB has to make good reads pre and post snap and if necessary call an audible. Kyle can't do that part nor can the rest of the offense.

You can try and cherry pick stats to try and push a narrative but all you accomplished was a post that is filled with a rather ignorant content/take that assumes a QBs job is simple if the OC/playcaller has a good offense. You can have a perfect game plan but it still requires a QB to execute it in order for that perfection to translate from what was on paper to on the field.

PFF charted Jimmy as only having slightly above average accuracy on his passes accounting for ball placement. In fact, the EYAC based on accuracy is a lot lower than the actual YAC which indicates that the play design and pass catchers were more responsible for the YAC than anything the QB did. Ultimately 45 air yards is 45 air yards and that's not indicative of a QB that did a whole lot. That's not to say Jimmy played poorly, but he wasn't really asked to do anything (which made sense due to his ankle injury).

Are you new to being a Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco 49ers fan?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
2017 Jimmy was just ad libbing and using a pared down play book.

2019 Jimmy just came off of an ACL injury which is typically an off year for a QB. People forget that. That was pretty good for an off year.

I am expecting a huge year from Jimmy because he's never had a fully healthy season while having full command of the playbook. Jimmy looked good in the Jets game last year when he wasn't just throwing to Dante Pettis and Kendrick Bourne.

The Jets we're pretty awful though last year. Jimmy's last two full games played, The cards and the super bowl, not good outings for JG by any means. He'll have to play with more confidence this year If we're to reach the playoffs

He hasn't had a legitimately good game since 2019.

what part of JG's 3 TD performance last year in beating the Rams top defense wasnt legitimate?

He had a total of 45 air yards. 268 Passing yards, 223 YAC. That's good offense from Shanahan, but the QB was not asked to do a whole lot.

This is a prime example of a Gold Medal performance in mental gymnastics.

In order to get those YAC, you need good ball placement. In order to deliver those good passes that allow those receivers to get the ball in their hands the QB has to make good reads pre and post snap and if necessary call an audible. Kyle can't do that part nor can the rest of the offense.

You can try and cherry pick stats to try and push a narrative but all you accomplished was a post that is filled with a rather ignorant content/take that assumes a QBs job is simple if the OC/playcaller has a good offense. You can have a perfect game plan but it still requires a QB to execute it in order for that perfection to translate from what was on paper to on the field.

PFF charted Jimmy as only having slightly above average accuracy on his passes. In fact, the EYAC based on accuracy is a lot lower than the actual YAC which indicates that the play design and pass catchers were more responsible for the YAC than anything the QB did. Ultimately 45 air yards is 45 air yards and that's not indicative of a QB that did a whole lot. That's not to say Jimmy played poorly, but he wasn't really asked to do anything (which made sense due to his ankle injury).

Stats on stats on stats to prove a non existent point that didn't even account for most of what I countered your other stats with.

Stats don't tell the whole story.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
2017 Jimmy was just ad libbing and using a pared down play book.

2019 Jimmy just came off of an ACL injury which is typically an off year for a QB. People forget that. That was pretty good for an off year.

I am expecting a huge year from Jimmy because he's never had a fully healthy season while having full command of the playbook. Jimmy looked good in the Jets game last year when he wasn't just throwing to Dante Pettis and Kendrick Bourne.

The Jets we're pretty awful though last year. Jimmy's last two full games played, The cards and the super bowl, not good outings for JG by any means. He'll have to play with more confidence this year If we're to reach the playoffs

He hasn't had a legitimately good game since 2019.

what part of JG's 3 TD performance last year in beating the Rams top defense wasnt legitimate?

He had a total of 45 air yards. 268 Passing yards, 223 YAC. That's good offense from Shanahan, but the QB was not asked to do a whole lot.

This is a prime example of a Gold Medal performance in mental gymnastics.

In order to get those YAC, you need good ball placement. In order to deliver those good passes that allow those receivers to get the ball in their hands the QB has to make good reads pre and post snap and if necessary call an audible. Kyle can't do that part nor can the rest of the offense.

You can try and cherry pick stats to try and push a narrative but all you accomplished was a post that is filled with a rather ignorant content/take that assumes a QBs job is simple if the OC/playcaller has a good offense. You can have a perfect game plan but it still requires a QB to execute it in order for that perfection to translate from what was on paper to on the field.

PFF charted Jimmy as only having slightly above average accuracy on his passes accounting for ball placement. In fact, the EYAC based on accuracy is a lot lower than the actual YAC which indicates that the play design and pass catchers were more responsible for the YAC than anything the QB did. Ultimately 45 air yards is 45 air yards and that's not indicative of a QB that did a whole lot. That's not to say Jimmy played poorly, but he wasn't really asked to do anything (which made sense due to his ankle injury).

Are you new to being a Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco 49ers fan?

No, obviously I was responding to someone that was trying to get the QB all of the credit for YAC instead of Kyle and the receivers.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
2017 Jimmy was just ad libbing and using a pared down play book.

2019 Jimmy just came off of an ACL injury which is typically an off year for a QB. People forget that. That was pretty good for an off year.

I am expecting a huge year from Jimmy because he's never had a fully healthy season while having full command of the playbook. Jimmy looked good in the Jets game last year when he wasn't just throwing to Dante Pettis and Kendrick Bourne.

The Jets we're pretty awful though last year. Jimmy's last two full games played, The cards and the super bowl, not good outings for JG by any means. He'll have to play with more confidence this year If we're to reach the playoffs

He hasn't had a legitimately good game since 2019.

what part of JG's 3 TD performance last year in beating the Rams top defense wasnt legitimate?

He had a total of 45 air yards. 268 Passing yards, 223 YAC. That's good offense from Shanahan, but the QB was not asked to do a whole lot.

This is a prime example of a Gold Medal performance in mental gymnastics.

In order to get those YAC, you need good ball placement. In order to deliver those good passes that allow those receivers to get the ball in their hands the QB has to make good reads pre and post snap and if necessary call an audible. Kyle can't do that part nor can the rest of the offense.

You can try and cherry pick stats to try and push a narrative but all you accomplished was a post that is filled with a rather ignorant content/take that assumes a QBs job is simple if the OC/playcaller has a good offense. You can have a perfect game plan but it still requires a QB to execute it in order for that perfection to translate from what was on paper to on the field.

PFF charted Jimmy as only having slightly above average accuracy on his passes accounting for ball placement. In fact, the EYAC based on accuracy is a lot lower than the actual YAC which indicates that the play design and pass catchers were more responsible for the YAC than anything the QB did. Ultimately 45 air yards is 45 air yards and that's not indicative of a QB that did a whole lot. That's not to say Jimmy played poorly, but he wasn't really asked to do anything (which made sense due to his ankle injury).

Are you new to being a Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco 49ers fan?

Kinda funny that the great strategist, play designer and play caller that is Kyle Shanahan has had far greater success with JG than with CJB, BDN and Hoyer combined. It's like despite what you have drawn up, if the QB can't consistently execute then you can't consistently find success.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Are you new to being a Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco 49ers fan?

Goes back further. young was not that good as rice had all those yards after the catch you know

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
2017 Jimmy was just ad libbing and using a pared down play book.

2019 Jimmy just came off of an ACL injury which is typically an off year for a QB. People forget that. That was pretty good for an off year.

I am expecting a huge year from Jimmy because he's never had a fully healthy season while having full command of the playbook. Jimmy looked good in the Jets game last year when he wasn't just throwing to Dante Pettis and Kendrick Bourne.

The Jets we're pretty awful though last year. Jimmy's last two full games played, The cards and the super bowl, not good outings for JG by any means. He'll have to play with more confidence this year If we're to reach the playoffs

He hasn't had a legitimately good game since 2019.

what part of JG's 3 TD performance last year in beating the Rams top defense wasnt legitimate?

He had a total of 45 air yards. 268 Passing yards, 223 YAC. That's good offense from Shanahan, but the QB was not asked to do a whole lot.

This is a prime example of a Gold Medal performance in mental gymnastics.

In order to get those YAC, you need good ball placement. In order to deliver those good passes that allow those receivers to get the ball in their hands the QB has to make good reads pre and post snap and if necessary call an audible. Kyle can't do that part nor can the rest of the offense.

You can try and cherry pick stats to try and push a narrative but all you accomplished was a post that is filled with a rather ignorant content/take that assumes a QBs job is simple if the OC/playcaller has a good offense. You can have a perfect game plan but it still requires a QB to execute it in order for that perfection to translate from what was on paper to on the field.

PFF charted Jimmy as only having slightly above average accuracy on his passes accounting for ball placement. In fact, the EYAC based on accuracy is a lot lower than the actual YAC which indicates that the play design and pass catchers were more responsible for the YAC than anything the QB did. Ultimately 45 air yards is 45 air yards and that's not indicative of a QB that did a whole lot. That's not to say Jimmy played poorly, but he wasn't really asked to do anything (which made sense due to his ankle injury).

Are you new to being a Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco 49ers fan?

Kinda funny that the great strategist, play designer and play caller that is Kyle Shanahan has had far greater success with JG than with CJB, BDN and Hoyer combined. It's like despite what you have drawn up, if the QB can't consistently execute then you can't consistently find success.

Mullens beat the Rams in 2020 too (though Mullens was asked to do more in that game.)

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
2017 Jimmy was just ad libbing and using a pared down play book.

2019 Jimmy just came off of an ACL injury which is typically an off year for a QB. People forget that. That was pretty good for an off year.

I am expecting a huge year from Jimmy because he's never had a fully healthy season while having full command of the playbook. Jimmy looked good in the Jets game last year when he wasn't just throwing to Dante Pettis and Kendrick Bourne.

The Jets we're pretty awful though last year. Jimmy's last two full games played, The cards and the super bowl, not good outings for JG by any means. He'll have to play with more confidence this year If we're to reach the playoffs

He hasn't had a legitimately good game since 2019.

what part of JG's 3 TD performance last year in beating the Rams top defense wasnt legitimate?

He had a total of 45 air yards. 268 Passing yards, 223 YAC. That's good offense from Shanahan, but the QB was not asked to do a whole lot.

This is a prime example of a Gold Medal performance in mental gymnastics.

In order to get those YAC, you need good ball placement. In order to deliver those good passes that allow those receivers to get the ball in their hands the QB has to make good reads pre and post snap and if necessary call an audible. Kyle can't do that part nor can the rest of the offense.

You can try and cherry pick stats to try and push a narrative but all you accomplished was a post that is filled with a rather ignorant content/take that assumes a QBs job is simple if the OC/playcaller has a good offense. You can have a perfect game plan but it still requires a QB to execute it in order for that perfection to translate from what was on paper to on the field.

PFF charted Jimmy as only having slightly above average accuracy on his passes accounting for ball placement. In fact, the EYAC based on accuracy is a lot lower than the actual YAC which indicates that the play design and pass catchers were more responsible for the YAC than anything the QB did. Ultimately 45 air yards is 45 air yards and that's not indicative of a QB that did a whole lot. That's not to say Jimmy played poorly, but he wasn't really asked to do anything (which made sense due to his ankle injury).

Are you new to being a Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco 49ers fan?

No, obviously I was responding to someone that was trying to get the QB all of the credit for YAC instead of Kyle and the receivers.

And I quote :

You can have a perfect game plan but it still requires a QB to execute it in order for that perfection to translate from what was on paper to on the field.

That does not sound like someone was trying to give the QB all the credit.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
2017 Jimmy was just ad libbing and using a pared down play book.

2019 Jimmy just came off of an ACL injury which is typically an off year for a QB. People forget that. That was pretty good for an off year.

I am expecting a huge year from Jimmy because he's never had a fully healthy season while having full command of the playbook. Jimmy looked good in the Jets game last year when he wasn't just throwing to Dante Pettis and Kendrick Bourne.

The Jets we're pretty awful though last year. Jimmy's last two full games played, The cards and the super bowl, not good outings for JG by any means. He'll have to play with more confidence this year If we're to reach the playoffs

He hasn't had a legitimately good game since 2019.

what part of JG's 3 TD performance last year in beating the Rams top defense wasnt legitimate?

He had a total of 45 air yards. 268 Passing yards, 223 YAC. That's good offense from Shanahan, but the QB was not asked to do a whole lot.

This is a prime example of a Gold Medal performance in mental gymnastics.

In order to get those YAC, you need good ball placement. In order to deliver those good passes that allow those receivers to get the ball in their hands the QB has to make good reads pre and post snap and if necessary call an audible. Kyle can't do that part nor can the rest of the offense.

You can try and cherry pick stats to try and push a narrative but all you accomplished was a post that is filled with a rather ignorant content/take that assumes a QBs job is simple if the OC/playcaller has a good offense. You can have a perfect game plan but it still requires a QB to execute it in order for that perfection to translate from what was on paper to on the field.

PFF charted Jimmy as only having slightly above average accuracy on his passes accounting for ball placement. In fact, the EYAC based on accuracy is a lot lower than the actual YAC which indicates that the play design and pass catchers were more responsible for the YAC than anything the QB did. Ultimately 45 air yards is 45 air yards and that's not indicative of a QB that did a whole lot. That's not to say Jimmy played poorly, but he wasn't really asked to do anything (which made sense due to his ankle injury).

Are you new to being a Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco 49ers fan?

Kinda funny that the great strategist, play designer and play caller that is Kyle Shanahan has had far greater success with JG than with CJB, BDN and Hoyer combined. It's like despite what you have drawn up, if the QB can't consistently execute then you can't consistently find success.

Mullens beat the Rams in 2020 too (though Mullens was asked to do more in that game.)

Since you have a bevy of stats at your disposal, what is Mullens record as a starter VS JG's record as a starter?

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
2017 Jimmy was just ad libbing and using a pared down play book.

2019 Jimmy just came off of an ACL injury which is typically an off year for a QB. People forget that. That was pretty good for an off year.

I am expecting a huge year from Jimmy because he's never had a fully healthy season while having full command of the playbook. Jimmy looked good in the Jets game last year when he wasn't just throwing to Dante Pettis and Kendrick Bourne.

The Jets we're pretty awful though last year. Jimmy's last two full games played, The cards and the super bowl, not good outings for JG by any means. He'll have to play with more confidence this year If we're to reach the playoffs

He hasn't had a legitimately good game since 2019.

what part of JG's 3 TD performance last year in beating the Rams top defense wasnt legitimate?

He had a total of 45 air yards. 268 Passing yards, 223 YAC. That's good offense from Shanahan, but the QB was not asked to do a whole lot.

This is a prime example of a Gold Medal performance in mental gymnastics.

In order to get those YAC, you need good ball placement. In order to deliver those good passes that allow those receivers to get the ball in their hands the QB has to make good reads pre and post snap and if necessary call an audible. Kyle can't do that part nor can the rest of the offense.

You can try and cherry pick stats to try and push a narrative but all you accomplished was a post that is filled with a rather ignorant content/take that assumes a QBs job is simple if the OC/playcaller has a good offense. You can have a perfect game plan but it still requires a QB to execute it in order for that perfection to translate from what was on paper to on the field.

PFF charted Jimmy as only having slightly above average accuracy on his passes accounting for ball placement. In fact, the EYAC based on accuracy is a lot lower than the actual YAC which indicates that the play design and pass catchers were more responsible for the YAC than anything the QB did. Ultimately 45 air yards is 45 air yards and that's not indicative of a QB that did a whole lot. That's not to say Jimmy played poorly, but he wasn't really asked to do anything (which made sense due to his ankle injury).

Are you new to being a Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco 49ers fan?

Kinda funny that the great strategist, play designer and play caller that is Kyle Shanahan has had far greater success with JG than with CJB, BDN and Hoyer combined. It's like despite what you have drawn up, if the QB can't consistently execute then you can't consistently find success.

He's going to be heartbroken soon because when Trey starts, Kyle's going to be implementing the exact same strategy that he did for Garoppolo, who, also, was brand new to the system.

Newsflash: Kyle is the real QB here. The #5 or #10 just execute it in < 2.6s.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Hmm. It's weird to accuse me of not watching the games just because I'm not willing to boil everything down to "team won = Jimmy good". It's actually difficult to know what actually happened from watching the game on TV, which is why the all-22 has become so popular. There's more advanced statistics and game film available now than ever before and people should take advantage of that.

I will just respectfully say.. for you to downgrade jimmys good game vs the rams and pour water on it but saying it was all yards after the catch and jimmy deserves no credit is illogical at best. its like telling us that frank gores game or mostert or whoever where he ran for 120 yards is not that much of a positive cuz 70 was on one run alone. people who resort to that sort of paralysis by analysis are just trying to hard to create or generate a negative perception... in other words, i think your blind loyalty to your hatred of jimmy prevents you from being objective.. in my opnion

Have to say, well said comment. And for you no less, dang there must be some change in the air!
NINERS!!
Win today, come on!

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
2017 Jimmy was just ad libbing and using a pared down play book.

2019 Jimmy just came off of an ACL injury which is typically an off year for a QB. People forget that. That was pretty good for an off year.

I am expecting a huge year from Jimmy because he's never had a fully healthy season while having full command of the playbook. Jimmy looked good in the Jets game last year when he wasn't just throwing to Dante Pettis and Kendrick Bourne.

The Jets we're pretty awful though last year. Jimmy's last two full games played, The cards and the super bowl, not good outings for JG by any means. He'll have to play with more confidence this year If we're to reach the playoffs

He hasn't had a legitimately good game since 2019.

what part of JG's 3 TD performance last year in beating the Rams top defense wasnt legitimate?

He had a total of 45 air yards. 268 Passing yards, 223 YAC. That's good offense from Shanahan, but the QB was not asked to do a whole lot.

This is a prime example of a Gold Medal performance in mental gymnastics.

In order to get those YAC, you need good ball placement. In order to deliver those good passes that allow those receivers to get the ball in their hands the QB has to make good reads pre and post snap and if necessary call an audible. Kyle can't do that part nor can the rest of the offense.

You can try and cherry pick stats to try and push a narrative but all you accomplished was a post that is filled with a rather ignorant content/take that assumes a QBs job is simple if the OC/playcaller has a good offense. You can have a perfect game plan but it still requires a QB to execute it in order for that perfection to translate from what was on paper to on the field.

PFF charted Jimmy as only having slightly above average accuracy on his passes accounting for ball placement. In fact, the EYAC based on accuracy is a lot lower than the actual YAC which indicates that the play design and pass catchers were more responsible for the YAC than anything the QB did. Ultimately 45 air yards is 45 air yards and that's not indicative of a QB that did a whole lot. That's not to say Jimmy played poorly, but he wasn't really asked to do anything (which made sense due to his ankle injury).

Are you new to being a Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco 49ers fan?

Kinda funny that the great strategist, play designer and play caller that is Kyle Shanahan has had far greater success with JG than with CJB, BDN and Hoyer combined. It's like despite what you have drawn up, if the QB can't consistently execute then you can't consistently find success.

Mullens beat the Rams in 2020 too (though Mullens was asked to do more in that game.)

Since you have a bevy of stats at your disposal, what is Mullens record as a starter VS JG's record as a starter?

Oh, I'm not arguing that Mullens is better than Jimmy, but they both were able to beat the Rams last year using a similar game plan where neither was asked to do a lot.

Let's just be thankful that we have Kyle as our coach and we should be excited now that he has his own handpicked QB for the first time.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
2017 Jimmy was just ad libbing and using a pared down play book.

2019 Jimmy just came off of an ACL injury which is typically an off year for a QB. People forget that. That was pretty good for an off year.

I am expecting a huge year from Jimmy because he's never had a fully healthy season while having full command of the playbook. Jimmy looked good in the Jets game last year when he wasn't just throwing to Dante Pettis and Kendrick Bourne.

The Jets we're pretty awful though last year. Jimmy's last two full games played, The cards and the super bowl, not good outings for JG by any means. He'll have to play with more confidence this year If we're to reach the playoffs

He hasn't had a legitimately good game since 2019.

what part of JG's 3 TD performance last year in beating the Rams top defense wasnt legitimate?

He had a total of 45 air yards. 268 Passing yards, 223 YAC. That's good offense from Shanahan, but the QB was not asked to do a whole lot.

This is a prime example of a Gold Medal performance in mental gymnastics.

In order to get those YAC, you need good ball placement. In order to deliver those good passes that allow those receivers to get the ball in their hands the QB has to make good reads pre and post snap and if necessary call an audible. Kyle can't do that part nor can the rest of the offense.

You can try and cherry pick stats to try and push a narrative but all you accomplished was a post that is filled with a rather ignorant content/take that assumes a QBs job is simple if the OC/playcaller has a good offense. You can have a perfect game plan but it still requires a QB to execute it in order for that perfection to translate from what was on paper to on the field.

PFF charted Jimmy as only having slightly above average accuracy on his passes accounting for ball placement. In fact, the EYAC based on accuracy is a lot lower than the actual YAC which indicates that the play design and pass catchers were more responsible for the YAC than anything the QB did. Ultimately 45 air yards is 45 air yards and that's not indicative of a QB that did a whole lot. That's not to say Jimmy played poorly, but he wasn't really asked to do anything (which made sense due to his ankle injury).

Are you new to being a Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco 49ers fan?

Kinda funny that the great strategist, play designer and play caller that is Kyle Shanahan has had far greater success with JG than with CJB, BDN and Hoyer combined. It's like despite what you have drawn up, if the QB can't consistently execute then you can't consistently find success.

He's going to be heartbroken soon because when Trey starts, Kyle's going to be implementing the exact same strategy that he did for Garoppolo, who, also, was brand new to the system.

Newsflash: Kyle is the real QB here. The #5 or #10 just execute it in < 2.6s.

Where did I argue that wasn't the case? Kyle is the mastermind here. He has worked miracles with the empty cupboard of QB play that he's had to deal with. Now that he has his handpicked guy, maybe he'll be able to finally run the offense he's wanted to run for a long time.

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2017 Jimmy was just ad libbing and using a pared down play book.

2019 Jimmy just came off of an ACL injury which is typically an off year for a QB. People forget that. That was pretty good for an off year.

I am expecting a huge year from Jimmy because he's never had a fully healthy season while having full command of the playbook. Jimmy looked good in the Jets game last year when he wasn't just throwing to Dante Pettis and Kendrick Bourne.

The Jets we're pretty awful though last year. Jimmy's last two full games played, The cards and the super bowl, not good outings for JG by any means. He'll have to play with more confidence this year If we're to reach the playoffs

He hasn't had a legitimately good game since 2019.

what part of JG's 3 TD performance last year in beating the Rams top defense wasnt legitimate?

He had a total of 45 air yards. 268 Passing yards, 223 YAC. That's good offense from Shanahan, but the QB was not asked to do a whole lot.

1st & Goal at LAR 6(11:39 - 1st) (Shotgun) J.Garoppolo pass short middle to D.Samuel for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Caught at LA 11, 11-YACR.Gould extra point is GOOD, Center-T.Pepper, Holder-M.Wishnowsky.

4th & 2 at LAR 44(14:14 - 2nd) (Shotgun) J.Garoppolo pass short middle to G.Kittle for 44 yards, TOUCHDOWN [S.Joseph]. caught at 33, 33 YACR.Gould extra point is GOOD, Center-T.Pepper, Holder-M.Wishnowsky.

3rd & Goal at LAR 2(1:47 - 2nd) Brandon Aiyuk Pass From Jimmy Garoppolo for 2 Yrds R.Gould extra point is GOOD, Center-T.Pepper, Holder-M.Wishnowsky.

Jimmy really carried the team with his arm that game. Amazing performance