Preseason 2021: 49ers vs Chiefs - Game 1

Originally posted by mayo49:
We won't get an honest assessment of Trey until he's in there with the one's.

Then you need to understand what to look for when assessing and coaching. What Kyle will learn and need to teach Trey is to have better pocket awareness. How to know and recognize his escape routes when the pocket collapses so he can extend the play. You don't get that if everything is all daisies.

Trey also almost threw an interception when he had a decent pocket.

You can't assess a person's true ability if everything is perfect. You can't teach a person like that, he can't learn from it. There will be days when even if its the first team line, a QB will be under duress and this is when and how he is going to learn it.

There will also days when people are off-you have to deal with.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Goatie:
He is not ready to start yet. 4 out of 15 is not good. Nor was not converting 3rd downs. Rosen was better. Jimmy was better. The kid has promise but needs time.

Neither was throwing a checkdown pass on 3rd and 15.... let's stop this nonsense and give the rookie some credit for standing strong and Making some nice throws... How about we give him a chance with the 1s... better receivers and protection to help him out.

Trey did the same thing on third an 15. Exact same thing. Notice how nobody is dogging him? Because it's not a bad option rather than forcing a throw into bad situations. Hell Mahomes threw 3 yard check down on 3rd and 5 to get stuffed.

But, Jimmy is too cautious to throw it down field - at least Trey is willing to open up the offense.

Sure but completely blowing up a single play, which possibly could be the right play, is the point. No doubt Trey brings us a bigger element to stretch the field but sitting here acting like there's a huge selection of plays to run on 3rd and 15 is overly simplistic. As I said Trey did the same thing and nobody is hating on him because it's not a terrible play with such distance. As others have pointed out Jimmy led the league on 3rd down when healthy. Plenty of those were 3rd and long.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
As compared to whom? Didn't think pocket awareness was his problem at all. Drops, missed blocks by the offensive line and two bad passes for a 21 year old kid in his first game.

Yes, pocket awareness was a problem, he was totally oblivious, a good example of someone who has it is Russel Wilson, we complain about our line, his sucks even more. He manages recognize it and knows how where his escape routes are to either extend it or take off. Also recognizing the match ups and where the weakness and if necessary make adjustments. He will learn this, especially this week when they work with the chargers.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Goatie:
He is not ready to start yet. 4 out of 15 is not good. Nor was not converting 3rd downs. Rosen was better. Jimmy was better. The kid has promise but needs time.

Neither was throwing a checkdown pass on 3rd and 15.... let's stop this nonsense and give the rookie some credit for standing strong and Making some nice throws... How about we give him a chance with the 1s... better receivers and protection to help him out.

Trey did the same thing on third an 15. Exact same thing. Notice how nobody is dogging him? Because it's not a bad option rather than forcing a throw into bad situations. Hell Mahomes threw 3 yard check down on 3rd and 5 to get stuffed.

But, Jimmy is too cautious to throw it down field - at least Trey is willing to open up the offense.

Sure but completely blowing up a single play, which possibly could be the right play, is the point. No doubt Trey brings us a bigger element to stretch the field but sitting here acting like there's a huge selection of plays to run on 3rd and 15 is overly simplistic. As I said Trey did the same thing and nobody is hating on him because it's not a terrible play with such distance. As others have pointed out Jimmy led the league on 3rd down when healthy. Plenty of those were 3rd and long.

Its BS that Jimmy couldn't make the play that Lance did tonight for a TD because he is too cautious.

Jimmy did it against Green Bay with George Kittle, tonight was a variation with a receiver, but EXACTLY the same-roll out left throw back to the right...

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Sure but completely blowing up a single play, which possibly could be the right play, is the point. No doubt Trey brings us a bigger element to stretch the field but sitting here acting like there's a huge selection of plays to run on 3rd and 15 is overly simplistic. As I said Trey did the same thing and nobody is hating on him because it's not a terrible play with such distance. As others have pointed out Jimmy led the league on 3rd down when healthy. Plenty of those were 3rd and long.

But, Jimmy does it all the time, not just on 3rd down. He's mister check down.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Sure but completely blowing up a single play, which possibly could be the right play, is the point. No doubt Trey brings us a bigger element to stretch the field but sitting here acting like there's a huge selection of plays to run on 3rd and 15 is overly simplistic. As I said Trey did the same thing and nobody is hating on him because it's not a terrible play with such distance. As others have pointed out Jimmy led the league on 3rd down when healthy. Plenty of those were 3rd and long.

I don't hate Jimmy for checking it down on that play or Lance…if no one is open and you're getting blitzed it actually a good play imo.

thing is Jimmy does that a lot. That 80 TD is an example…Jimmy wouldn't have even attempted that throw he would have hit Aiyuk (who was open too) on a short underneath route.

IMO lance isn't ready to start, but I'll bet money the next preseason game you will see more improvement. They will implement some more ZR, and rollouts…get him out in space to make throws.

I want to see Nsimba Webster return more kicks in the beginning to see if he is the real deal. He did muff a return, but looked smooth on that last one.

Also want to see more of JJ.

Shows you important the missed off season was for a lot last years players-some seem to be doing way better.

Originally posted by WildBill:
Its BS that Jimmy couldn't make the play that Lance did tonight for a TD because he is too cautious.

Jimmy did it against Green Bay with George Kittle, tonight was a variation with a receiver, but EXACTLY the same-roll out left throw back to the right...

Kittle was about 5 yards open on that play, TS wasn't…imo Jimmy would have thrown it to Aiyuk at the 1st down marker. He wouldn't even have gotten to that read.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I don't hate Jimmy for checking it down on that play or Lance…if no one is open and you're getting blitzed it actually a good play imo.

thing is Jimmy does that a lot. That 80 TD is an example…Jimmy wouldn't have even attempted that throw he would have hit Aiyuk (who was open too) on a short underneath route.

IMO lance isn't ready to start, but I'll bet money the next preseason game you will see more improvement. They will implement some more ZR, and rollouts…get him out in space to make throws.

Again Jimmy ran the same play in a real game against GB, the ONLY difference was that it was Kittle a TE and not a WR-tonight was just a variation.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Kittle was about 5 yards open on that play, TS wasn't…imo Jimmy would have thrown it to Aiyuk at the 1st down marker. He wouldn't even have gotten to that read.

TS may not have been as open, but he was way open also. It wasn't a tight coverage. Plus Jimmy was on a dime on that throw. Point is, people saying he wouldn't make the throw is baloney. Just conjecture, based on biased notions, nobody knows when or which is the first read or 2nd.

Originally posted by WildBill:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Kittle was about 5 yards open on that play, TS wasn't…imo Jimmy would have thrown it to Aiyuk at the 1st down marker. He wouldn't even have gotten to that read.

TS may not have been as open, but he was way open also.

Wasn't close to the same imo (as far as how open they were)



like I said I see Jimmy hitting Aiyuk coming across

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Goatie:
He is not ready to start yet. 4 out of 15 is not good. Nor was not converting 3rd downs. Rosen was better. Jimmy was better. The kid has promise but needs time.

Neither was throwing a checkdown pass on 3rd and 15.... let's stop this nonsense and give the rookie some credit for standing strong and Making some nice throws... How about we give him a chance with the 1s... better receivers and protection to help him out.

Trey did the same thing on third an 15. Exact same thing. Notice how nobody is dogging him? Because it's not a bad option rather than forcing a throw into bad situations. Hell Mahomes threw 3 yard check down on 3rd and 5 to get stuffed.

The Point Is, Trey was looking down field to stretch the Defense before checking down. Jimmy seems to look for the easy option before anything... Either way, It would be nice to see Lance with the 1s to get a better assesment of where he's at. Still plenty of time until week 1, anything could happen regarding the QB situation.

I thought Lance did OK given the situation. First game action since I don't know when, a 'gameplan' that specifically took away one of his biggest weapons - his legs, a pourous backup OLine 'protecting' him, a few drops, etc.. On the flip side, he has to help out his line, and get the ball out. His accuracy was spotty and could've easily had an int. or two. All the straight dropbacks is Shanahan by design....getting Lance to learn the ways of the NFL and correcting the flaws during film review and repetition. Almost have to thank Andy Reid for showing little mercy defensively.

Of course, Lance was the story heading into the game, but I was almost as interested in seeing Sermon. It was harder to judging him, and I'll need to see more. I think he got some push, and I believe he saved Lance with a really nice block on one of the kids final throws of the night. Banks really struggled, but I have to remind myself that it's his first NFL outing. Now that he's hurt and may miss a week or so, this isn't the start any Niner fan wants to see. Hufanga seemed to be everywhere and active. His tackling was on point too.

Looking forward to the Chargers game.