Post-2nd Preseason Game: Who should QB1 be week 1?

Originally posted by DrEll:
Jimmy should be starter in 2021, and IF we win the SB should remain starter for 2022.

Jimmy Gangsta has shown that when he is healthy and can stand up in the pocket, he is a winner. He DID take the team to a Super Bowl. And I believe Trey needs a couple of years to learn. He's only had a year and a half of college ball. This NFL game is extremely fast and the transition doesn't come easy 😎

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by thl408:
Jimmy. If Jimmy falters after a couple weeks, it's not a huge deal to put in Lance. If Lance starts week 1, struggles, and is replaced by Jimmy, that can be an awkward start to Lance's career.
In the long run it may not matter, but for 2021 I think it could create a difficult QB situation to manage. Lance is the future, there's no doubt about it, and his time will come. There's no rush if we look big picture.

Ok, but how is this different from any other week? Will it not be awkward if he struggles in week 7? Or in week 1 2022? No matter when he first starts, he'll have some bumps here and there due to his lack of experience. The real solution to that problem is to commit to the transition and let him know that you'll have his back through any early lows and not bench him at the first sign of trouble.

This is about 2021 week 1 so let's focus there. Hypothetical situation here, if Jimmy starts week 1 and struggles for a couple weeks, Lance replaces him, let's say in week 7.

Lance struggles too. Now we are in the situation you presented, Lance struggling in week 7. Kyle has now seen both the QBs play poorly. But now, Klye can point to Jimmy playing poorly as a reason not to go back to Jimmy. In this situation, we've seen Jimmy struggle, we don't want to see that again.

Going from Lance as week 1 starter to being replaced by Jimmy mid season creates a situation where the question each week will be, "is Lance looking better in practice? When is he coming back in?".

To me, it doesn't matter when Lance starts. but once he starts, jimmy should not go back in.

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Here's the best analogy to sum it up.....

If you're about to attend your high school reunion and suddenly found a Ferrari sitting in your garage next to your Toyota Prius, which one are you going to drive? BE FVKN HONEST.

Or how about making smart decisions with your investment so you can actually afford to buy the Ferrari and know how to drive it instead of magically finding one in your garage and wrapping it around a tree on your way to impress all of your high school buddies

lol

Trey Lance. We have all seen what Jimmy can do and to be honest, Trey looks like he can do it just as good but with added dimensions of huge arm strength and advanced mobility.

As long as Shanahan can manage the playbook and be creative enough to get the team the looks they need, but not overwhelming for the rookie.

He's not getting better watching Jimmy, that's for sure. I'm not ragging on Jimmy but let's be honest. Shanahan effectively said "I don't let my QB situation bad enough that I will sacrifice the future of the team to solidify the position."

Personally, I want to see the team no matter what. But it isn't s exciting watching Trey play. I don't get excited to see 5 yard passes over the middle.

Go Niners!

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Trey Lance. We have all seen what Jimmy can do and to be honest, Trey looks like he can do it just as good but with added dimensions of huge arm strength and advanced mobility.

As long as Shanahan can manage the playbook and be creative enough to get the team the looks they need, but not overwhelming for the rookie.

He's not getting better watching Jimmy, that's for sure. I'm not ragging on Jimmy but let's be honest. Shanahan effectively said "I don't let my QB situation bad enough that I will sacrifice the future of the team to solidify the position."

Personally, I want to see the team no matter what. But it isn't s exciting watching Trey play. I don't get excited to see 5 yard passes over the middle.

Go Niners!

+1

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by thl408:
Jimmy. If Jimmy falters after a couple weeks, it's not a huge deal to put in Lance. If Lance starts week 1, struggles, and is replaced by Jimmy, that can be an awkward start to Lance's career.
In the long run it may not matter, but for 2021 I think it could create a difficult QB situation to manage. Lance is the future, there's no doubt about it, and his time will come. There's no rush if we look big picture.

Ok, but how is this different from any other week? Will it not be awkward if he struggles in week 7? Or in week 1 2022? No matter when he first starts, he'll have some bumps here and there due to his lack of experience. The real solution to that problem is to commit to the transition and let him know that you'll have his back through any early lows and not bench him at the first sign of trouble.

This is about 2021 week 1 so let's focus there. Hypothetical situation here, if Jimmy starts week 1 and struggles for a couple weeks, Lance replaces him, let's say in week 7.

Lance struggles too. Now we are in the situation you presented, Lance struggling in week 7. Kyle has now seen both the QBs play poorly. But now, Klye can point to Jimmy playing poorly as a reason not to go back to Jimmy. In this situation, we've seen Jimmy struggle, we don't want to see that again.

Going from Lance as week 1 starter to being replaced by Jimmy mid season creates a situation where the question each week will be, "is Lance looking better in practice? When is he coming back in?".

To me, it doesn't matter when Lance starts. but once he starts, jimmy should not go back in.

I agree. And it's a much easier situation to manage to see Jimmy struggle first (ex: week 1-5), bench him, and never go back to him. "We saw what Jimmy had to offer week 1-5, do we need to see that again?"

That's easier to say each week then the opposite hypothetical where Lance struggles week 1-5, is benched, but knowing he's the future, Kyle has to answer each week, "Is Lance ready now? Is he ready now? How about now?"

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by thl408:
Jimmy. If Jimmy falters after a couple weeks, it's not a huge deal to put in Lance. If Lance starts week 1, struggles, and is replaced by Jimmy, that can be an awkward start to Lance's career.
In the long run it may not matter, but for 2021 I think it could create a difficult QB situation to manage. Lance is the future, there's no doubt about it, and his time will come. There's no rush if we look big picture.

Ok, but how is this different from any other week? Will it not be awkward if he struggles in week 7? Or in week 1 2022? No matter when he first starts, he'll have some bumps here and there due to his lack of experience. The real solution to that problem is to commit to the transition and let him know that you'll have his back through any early lows and not bench him at the first sign of trouble.

This is about 2021 week 1 so let's focus there. Hypothetical situation here, if Jimmy starts week 1 and struggles for a couple weeks, Lance replaces him, let's say in week 7.

Lance struggles too. Now we are in the situation you presented, Lance struggling in week 7. Kyle has now seen both the QBs play poorly. But now, Klye can point to Jimmy playing poorly as a reason not to go back to Jimmy. In this situation, we've seen Jimmy struggle, we don't want to see that again.

Going from Lance as week 1 starter to being replaced by Jimmy mid season creates a situation where the question each week will be, "is Lance looking better in practice? When is he coming back in?".

To me, it doesn't matter when Lance starts. but once he starts, jimmy should not go back in.

I agree. And it's a much easier situation to manage to see Jimmy struggle first (ex: week 1-5), bench him, and never go back to him. "We saw what Jimmy had to offer week 1-5, do we need to see that again?"

That's easier to say each week then the opposite hypothetical where Lance struggles week 1-5, is benched, but knowing he's the future, Kyle has to answer each week, "Is Lance ready now? Is he ready now? How about now?"

yes, i said this months ago (we don't need unnecessary weekly QB drama with musical chairs) and it's why Jimmy is going to start week 1. Some don't like it, but i feel jimmy has earned one last shot.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Trey did look better this pre-season in spots.....because he played longer. We also don't know what was game planned exactly regarding the two QBs.

If you're looking at the two QBs in vacuum, no game planning means more backyard ball ability counts. So obviously Trey is better at that.

Too much early judgment on Garoppolo's preseason. I think we'll know in a few weeks how good Jimmy will likely be this season.

If he can improve 15-20% off of 2019, we'll be in great shape this year.

Lance is the future no doubt, but no real reason to rush. If we had a s**t roster, then maybe I'd look at it differently.

But we don't.

Does anyone actually think Jimmy will improve? I honestly think I've seen peak Jimmy (2017 and some of 2019). But he's not consistent enough to maintain that level of effort for a full season. He's still throwing an INT per game and his deep ball accuracy is still subpar.

I do not

No, that's the thing, i think what we've seen from Jimmy healthy is the best we're going to see.

I don't think the footwork and deep ball will get better.

Originally posted by Tman:
Or how about making smart decisions with your investment so you can actually afford to buy the Ferrari and know how to drive it instead of magically finding one in your garage and wrapping it around a tree on your way to impress all of your high school buddies

TRUE DAT‼️ TRUE DAT‼️😂

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Here's the best analogy to sum it up.....

If you're about to attend your high school reunion and suddenly found a Ferrari sitting in your garage next to your Toyota Prius, which one are you going to drive? BE FVKN HONEST.

Or how about making smart decisions with your investment so you can actually afford to buy the Ferrari and know how to drive it instead of magically finding one in your garage and wrapping it around a tree on your way to impress all of your high school buddies

lol

Yea I don't know man. I'm from New Jersey and half of the hot chicks from my High School look like fat men now. I might take the Prius in case one of them tries to purposefully get pregnant by me.

Jimmy Lance

I think it's Trey. It's possible Shanahan is still trying to pump Jimmy's value as a starter for the potential trade before his 24m becomes guaranteed this year. Maybe.

This almost makes me feel like 2011 again with Alex Smith and Kaep. I know Smith had turrible circumstances, revolving coaching door, yada yada. He wasn't the one and Kaep injected some life in the team. Think about it, Smith was replaced, twice.

I think Trey does that for SF, I hope so. They gave up the world for him whereas when you look at the actual draft order it looks like they could have had him at 12.

Go Niners!

The whole 3 1st Round pick thing will eventually be rolled into a "dollar cost averaging" basis. It's absolutely nothing that needs to be considered Game 1.

Play it smart and start Jimmy.
But as the Jimmy chin hanging walk-offs after a number of picks starts adding up, without an offsetting success in the W column, Shanny will pull the trigger, and the team will rally around Trey.

Change is coming.

Originally posted by 5Jan2003:
The whole 3 1st Round pick thing will eventually be rolled into a "dollar cost averaging" basis. It's absolutely nothing that needs to be considered Game 1.

Play it smart and start Jimmy.
But as the Jimmy chin hanging walk-offs after a number of picks starts adding up, without an offsetting success in the W column, Shanny will pull the trigger, and the team will rally around Trey.

Change is coming.

Even if Jimmy isn't as good as Trey is right now?

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Here's the best analogy to sum it up.....

If you're about to attend your high school reunion and suddenly found a Ferrari sitting in your garage next to your Toyota Prius, which one are you going to drive? BE FVKN HONEST.

Or how about making smart decisions with your investment so you can actually afford to buy the Ferrari and know how to drive it instead of magically finding one in your garage and wrapping it around a tree on your way to impress all of your high school buddies

lol

Yea I don't know man. I'm from New Jersey and half of the hot chicks from my High School look like fat men now. I might take the Prius in case one of them tries to purposefully get pregnant by me.

Lol