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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I just heard Greg Papa say that the Niners have problems with running QBs so they need to force Hurts to stay in the pocket. I'd like to know which teams don't have problems with mobile QBs. That's the reason teams like to draft those guys because they know they're hard to defend. It isn't unique to the Niners.

We were pretty bad at containing Wilson and Murray last year. I also remember we got burned by QBs that weren't even particularly mobile. I still have PTSD from AA constantly leaving his gaps to go on a wild turkey chase.
[ Edited by Young2Rice on Sep 15, 2021 at 11:01 AM ]
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Originally posted by frenchmov:
We literally had a 41-17 lead with 2 mins left in the Q. One of those TDs came on a fluke screen TD.

People have weaved this weird take that our defense somehow looked bad even though we thoroughly dominated a (bad I admit!) lions team

They did look bad for the most part, giving up huge chunks of yardage up the gut was frustrating to see... The Cbs/Ibs also looked slow to react to certain plays. Thankfully, Goff Is one if the worst starting Qbs in the league, especially under any type of pressure.

We're also be without Verrett for the rest of the season... Not good... Moseley could miss the Eagles game too .. we'll need the young rooks to step it up a notch.
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I just heard Greg Papa say that the Niners have problems with running QBs so they need to force Hurts to stay in the pocket. I'd like to know which teams don't have problems with mobile QBs. That's the reason teams like to draft those guys because they know they're hard to defend. It isn't unique to the Niners.

We were pretty bad at containing Wilson and Murray last year. I also remember we got burned by QBs that weren't even particularly mobile. I still have PTSD from AA constantly leaving his gaps to go on a wild turkey chase.

I'm not saying we don't have problems with those guys. I'm just saying they're a problem for any team. When guys are as elusive as Murray or Wilson you're going to have a hard time containing them for an entire game.
I watched the condesned game and i think we have this

Some quick notes on the Eagles D:
1) Eagles D is fast but undersized I think Deebo Kittle and Sermon (if he plays) can have really solid games
2) they struggled with outside runs- and they used Patterson
3) Their pass rush is formidable the OL will really be tested

I think we will move the ball well against them i was surprised they were able to contain Pitts but

Some quick notes on the offense
1) They ran a lot of RPO especially early on very similar to what we saw in preseason using Lance
2) Jalen Hurts looks solid but he also had a perfect pocket i felt on every throw due to a copmlete non existant pass rush from the falcons
3) The speed of the WR is obviously a concern but they didnt run many plays that stretched the field they relied heavily on YAC so a key will be solid tackling and not missing assignments

The Eagles OL looked perfect but again this may be due to lack of pass rush from the falcons. I think our DL will handle them well and i think pressuring Jalen will cause him to make mistakes because his accuracy isnt the best. His mobility is obviously a threat but the fact i didnt see many field stretching means it will be easier to contain him imo

My prediction is we score 30+ points again.
The generic response to a running QB is mush rush with containment as #1 job

crush the pocket if you can but don't attack a gap recklessly and let him escape

Armistead seemingly fails this every game. I swear the rest of the D is doing fine and then the QB escapes out to armstead side and gets a big play
[ Edited by Tigerlaw on Sep 15, 2021 at 11:12 AM ]
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I just heard Greg Papa say that the Niners have problems with running QBs so they need to force Hurts to stay in the pocket. I'd like to know which teams don't have problems with mobile QBs. That's the reason teams like to draft those guys because they know they're hard to defend. It isn't unique to the Niners.

We were pretty bad at containing Wilson and Murray last year. I also remember we got burned by QBs that weren't even particularly mobile. I still have PTSD from AA constantly leaving his gaps to go on a wild turkey chase.

i think the issue is with those 2 is they are much better pasers than Hurts. If they were forced to stay in the pocket the whole game they would still be top 5 to 10 qbs i wouldnt say that about Hurts at all
Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
The generic response to a running QB is mush rush with containment as #1 job

crush the pocket if you can but don't attack a gap recklessly and let him escape

Armistead seemingly fails this every game. I swear the rest of the D is doing fine and then the QB escapes out to armstead side and gets a big play

AA is a DT his job isnt to contain the QB. Thats the job of the DE/EDGE to contain him.

Its the DT job to get him out of the pocket
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I just heard Greg Papa say that the Niners have problems with running QBs so they need to force Hurts to stay in the pocket. I'd like to know which teams don't have problems with mobile QBs. That's the reason teams like to draft those guys because they know they're hard to defend. It isn't unique to the Niners.

We were pretty bad at containing Wilson and Murray last year. I also remember we got burned by QBs that weren't even particularly mobile. I still have PTSD from AA constantly leaving his gaps to go on a wild turkey chase.

I'm not saying we don't have problems with those guys. I'm just saying they're a problem for any team. When guys are as elusive as Murray or Wilson you're going to have a hard time containing them for an entire game.

yeah, what I've seen with those guys is that you're not going to stop them from doing it. They're going to get out from time to time and make a "wow" play. The problem is they usually struggle making consistent plays. Drive's usually end when opposing teams force them to stay in the pocket during the length of the drive. It's not easy, but it's simple.
Originally posted by ritz126:
Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
The generic response to a running QB is mush rush with containment as #1 job

crush the pocket if you can but don't attack a gap recklessly and let him escape

Armistead seemingly fails this every game. I swear the rest of the D is doing fine and then the QB escapes out to armstead side and gets a big play

AA is a DT his job isnt to contain the QB. Thats the job of the DE/EDGE to contain him.

Its the DT job to get him out of the pocket

He plays DE on most 1st and 2nd downs though.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by ritz126:
Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
The generic response to a running QB is mush rush with containment as #1 job

crush the pocket if you can but don't attack a gap recklessly and let him escape

Armistead seemingly fails this every game. I swear the rest of the D is doing fine and then the QB escapes out to armstead side and gets a big play

AA is a DT his job isnt to contain the QB. Thats the job of the DE/EDGE to contain him.

Its the DT job to get him out of the pocket

He plays DE on most 1st and 2nd downs though.

You probably have tons of example clips on this lol

yes AA is the DE when this happens
Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
You probably have tons of example clips on this lol

yes AA is the DE when this happens

Yes, I feel like many of us have gone over this a lot. There are A LOT of clips of him consistently losing contain when he rushes from the DE position.

AA is slow off the line, but uses his hands pretty well. He's shown can beat OTs and OGs, but beats OGs far more often. Usually only beats the OT's when he gets a good start cuz it forces them to reach and he bats those hands away quickly to get past them. The problem is when he's at DT vs DE.

When he does beat the OL quickly, as a DT, that force right in the QB's face; he can get the sack, pressure, or force the QB into our DEs. As a DE, he almost ALWAYS flies past them, loses contain, and the QB escapes to his side for a run or more time to pass. There's no one else there. Its happened over and over and over again.

Now this isn't just as simple as only play him at DT. He's a really good DE when it comes to setting the edge against traditional run games. He's just very bad at containing the QBs, crashing too hard on bootlegs/misdirection. To be fair though and as unbiased as I can be, he is also very good at sniffing out screens. If this D can stick to the basics to stopping the run, and getting the opposing offense in 3rd and Long so we have Bosa, Ford, Ebukam, at DE and have AA in the middle more, this defense will be scary good.

Yes, I understand the WZ is subject to hyperbole and is very polar on a lot of our guys. We expect greatest all the time. I'm critical of AA, but feel like my assessment of him is fair. The coaches, and the team in general need to be able to play to their strengths. Football is the ultimate team game, and so many things contribute to flashy stats. Watch the film. Just because I'm critical of AA doesn't mean I hate him. He's a very good football player. He needs to be placed in positions to succeed.
Originally posted by ritz126:
I watched the condesned game and i think we have this

Some quick notes on the Eagles D:
1) Eagles D is fast but undersized I think Deebo Kittle and Sermon (if he plays) can have really solid games
2) they struggled with outside runs- and they used Patterson
3) Their pass rush is formidable the OL will really be tested

I think we will move the ball well against them i was surprised they were able to contain Pitts but

Some quick notes on the offense
1) They ran a lot of RPO especially early on very similar to what we saw in preseason using Lance
2) Jalen Hurts looks solid but he also had a perfect pocket i felt on every throw due to a copmlete non existant pass rush from the falcons
3) The speed of the WR is obviously a concern but they didnt run many plays that stretched the field they relied heavily on YAC so a key will be solid tackling and not missing assignments

The Eagles OL looked perfect but again this may be due to lack of pass rush from the falcons. I think our DL will handle them well and i think pressuring Jalen will cause him to make mistakes because his accuracy isnt the best. His mobility is obviously a threat but the fact i didnt see many field stretching means it will be easier to contain him imo

My prediction is we score 30+ points again.

Eagles have a much better o line than Detriot. Gonna be a battle in the trenches
All of a sudden everyone is worried about sorry ass Philly lmao
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I just heard Greg Papa say that the Niners have problems with running QBs so they need to force Hurts to stay in the pocket. I'd like to know which teams don't have problems with mobile QBs. That's the reason teams like to draft those guys because they know they're hard to defend. It isn't unique to the Niners.

We were pretty bad at containing Wilson and Murray last year. I also remember we got burned by QBs that weren't even particularly mobile. I still have PTSD from AA constantly leaving his gaps to go on a wild turkey chase.

I'm not saying we don't have problems with those guys. I'm just saying they're a problem for any team. When guys are as elusive as Murray or Wilson you're going to have a hard time containing them for an entire game.

I think it just stood out more when we had a top ranked passing defense. Some of those guys didn't move the ball very well against us unless they scrambled.

If your defense wasn't stopping anyone, than nothing really stands out about a mobile Qb moving the sticks with his legs or playing backyard ball.
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