SF 49ers at Philadelphia Eagles pregame thread - 2021 Season Week 2

Originally posted by Luckycharms:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Keys to winning:

1. Ebukam for AA d/t Hurts. AA inside d/t no Kinlaw
2. Ebukam, AA, Ford and Key, hold the rushes wide with patience. Send LB/S/CB's from the edges to force Hurts into the wide delayed rush. Delayed middle blitzes by Warner. Saleh did this perfectly against Wilson last year.
3. CB's are going to have to play tighter d/t the short passing game.
4. S's and LB's are going to have to play patient and disciplined.
5. DL will have to hold. Their OL absolutely owned the LOS against ATL.
6. Jimmy and the offense will need long sustaining drives that eat clock and score TD's.
7. Hightower better be ready for punt rushes and tight punt/kickoff coverages.
8. With Greenlaw out and Azeez in, we might see more nickel and an extra DB instead of that SAM (Marcell Harris)

This is going to be interesting. They did a ton of underneath stuff. Can't just give them 10 yard cushions. Time for Lenior and Thomas to get there feet wet. Probably see a good amount of Norman

Yeah. This could be another shootout, especially If we see Dontae out there again giving up chunks of yardage.

Doesn't look like Mosley will play. I'm hoping we go Lenor and Norman as starters. I don't want to see DJ out there. Think Thomas should be primary backup to our starters then DJ after that.

Bosa, Ford, AA gonna need to earn that respect with DJ out there. Lets get Hurts on the ground

Originally posted by Stevec9932:

Originally posted by Luckycharms:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Keys to winning:

1. Ebukam for AA d/t Hurts. AA inside d/t no Kinlaw
2. Ebukam, AA, Ford and Key, hold the rushes wide with patience. Send LB/S/CB's from the edges to force Hurts into the wide delayed rush. Delayed middle blitzes by Warner. Saleh did this perfectly against Wilson last year.
3. CB's are going to have to play tighter d/t the short passing game.
4. S's and LB's are going to have to play patient and disciplined.
5. DL will have to hold. Their OL absolutely owned the LOS against ATL.
6. Jimmy and the offense will need long sustaining drives that eat clock and score TD's.
7. Hightower better be ready for punt rushes and tight punt/kickoff coverages.
8. With Greenlaw out and Azeez in, we might see more nickel and an extra DB instead of that SAM (Marcell Harris)

This is going to be interesting. They did a ton of underneath stuff. Can't just give them 10 yard cushions. Time for Lenior and Thomas to get there feet wet. Probably see a good amount of Norman

Yeah. This could be another shootout, especially If we see Dontae out there again giving up chunks of yardage.

Doesn't look like Mosley will play. I'm hoping we go Lenor and Norman as starters. I don't want to see DJ out there. Think Thomas should be primary backup to our starters then DJ after that.

Bosa, Ford, AA gonna need to earn that respect with DJ out there. Lets get Hurts on the ground

Is DJ that bad? I remember him coming up with some big picks during our 2019 season. Maybe i'm thinking of someone else?

Also DJ are my initials. Maybe it was me out there?

Originally posted by Silky:
Is DJ that bad? I remember him coming up with some big picks during our 2019 season. Maybe i'm thinking of someone else?

Also DJ are my initials. Maybe it was me out there?

If it was you, you suck. JK. Go Niners

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
There pass pro isn't garbage, but it isn't great either and it is getting very old. I think the change in philosophy is at least in part to protect the health of the right side of that line and also to keep the game simple for Hurts. When he has been asked to hold the ball for longer developing stuff last year the results were not spectacular.

i saw the week 1 eagles film and eagles OL completely manhandled clean pocket and push every snap almost

i do agree though that falcons pass rush is garbage but based on week 1 i cant come to that conclusion

based on seeing every Eagles game on tv for the last 5 years...your wrong.

Most of the news I see is how confident and optimistic the team is in their "next man up" for numerous positions, except for CB. I also don't know enough about DeMeco to say he has the ability to scheme a better run defense.

The Eagles will attack our corners and our run D with numerous rb and qb runs, couple with play action and qb escapes leading to deep shots.

I have significant concerns about the outcome of this game and for the team the rest of the year.

Not surprised at all to see us lose this game.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Most of the news I see is how confident and optimistic the team is in their "next man up" for numerous positions, except for CB. I also don't know enough about DeMeco to say he has the ability to scheme a better run defense.

The Eagles will attack our corners and our run D with numerous rb and qb runs, couple with play action and qb escapes leading to deep shots.

I have significant concerns about the outcome of this game and for the team the rest of the year.

Not surprised at all to see us lose this game.

Eman is listed as doubtful for Sunday. Kinlaw, Harris, and Armstead all listed as questionable. Usually when a player is listed as questionable, they end up playing. But this is the Niners we are talking about.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Eman is listed as doubtful for Sunday. Kinlaw, Harris, and Armstead all listed as questionable. Usually when a player is listed as questionable, they end up playing. But this is the Niners we are talking about.

So you're telling me there's a chance?

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
There pass pro isn't garbage, but it isn't great either and it is getting very old. I think the change in philosophy is at least in part to protect the health of the right side of that line and also to keep the game simple for Hurts. When he has been asked to hold the ball for longer developing stuff last year the results were not spectacular.

i saw the week 1 eagles film and eagles OL completely manhandled clean pocket and push every snap almost

i do agree though that falcons pass rush is garbage but based on week 1 i cant come to that conclusion

Falcons have been a dumpster fire since KS left

That defense was ranked 28/32 in total defense last year

They didn't even do much to improve in the offseason (draft and FA were just meh)

I expect every team they face to put up 30+ on them

Originally posted by NCommand:
Keys to winning:

1. Ebukam for AA d/t Hurts. AA inside d/t no Kinlaw
2. Ebukam, AA, Ford and Key, hold the rushes wide with patience. Send LB/S/CB's from the edges to force Hurts into the wide delayed rush. Delayed middle blitzes by Warner. Saleh did this perfectly against Wilson last year.
3. CB's are going to have to play tighter d/t the short passing game.
4. S's and LB's are going to have to play patient and disciplined.
5. DL will have to hold. Their OL absolutely owned the LOS against ATL.
6. Jimmy and the offense will need long sustaining drives that eat clock and score TD's.
7. Hightower better be ready for punt rushes and tight punt/kickoff coverages.
8. With Greenlaw out and Azeez in, we might see more nickel and an extra DB instead of that SAM (Marcell Harris)

Pretty darn good summary NC. Just hard to believe the week before NFL began, we had the makings of 12 stud DLs…Hurst out, AA a maybe, Kin a maybe, and 2 CBs gone. Yasu Pisu, this can't be happening again. Of course we could be the Cowboys who lost their best OL (Zack Martin) and their best DL (Lawrence) plus 2 or 3 other starters. Still, the walking wounded for us is just gut wrenching. Oh, and we lost Greenlaw one of our two best LBs. IDK, losing players like this just is a heartbreaker.

as for the above, we have one magic trick up our sleeves and that is our scout team has been run by a running QB…a damn good one…Trey. So even tho Hurts will be a problem for us as all Running QBs are, we did get some really excellent practice on how to stop Hurts' runs. DEs are just going to have to be sure and contain. Just another Bennie from Trey.

Our 2ndary has been the issue all along, but between Huf and Lenoir, i kind of expect some unexpectedly good play. Ebuk could be the real factor on D, because he can run down Hurts…and he is tough. I do hope we don't open on D in the WIDE wide 9s, (as JD said, 9 5 5 9, leaving G C G with no DT in front of them). After the first few series that changed to 9 3 1 9 and the gimme runs up the gut stopped.

I had overly optimistic expectations for Demeco this yr, but forgot he has to get used to being a DC first and that takes some game experience. Kyle no doubt will be engaged in helping call the D, but the sooner Demeco is up and running the better.

One thing I definitely want to see is Kyle be all over the refs like a wet blanket on a hot fire if Philly starts playing hold and grab. We saw enough of that in Detroit, and if we see even the first little bit of it, KYle needs to immediately tell the refs to STOP THE effing holding.

As for STs, we need some production. Good punt coverage would be nice, same on K.O. But it is time to see a WISH worm burner , aka "grubber" (remember the one that hit Kittle in the face guard?), and some wobbler punts would be appreciated also. Those come down like a duck with one wing in a hurricane. .

Kyle is money coaching against Philly's HC, and I hope Jimmy gives us another game like in Detroit. Our OL couldn't have played better.

Bottom line is how well will our DBs play and can our depleted DL put enough pressure on Hurts to help out our DBs. An unexpected 1st or 2nd down blitz from corners or maybe a S on occasion wouldn't hurt either. I think kyle wins this one with JG, KIttle, Sherfield, Deebo, Au Jus, and who knows, maybe Aiyuk. Running game …plan to see a lot of it.

Niners in a squeaker.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Most of the news I see is how confident and optimistic the team is in their "next man up" for numerous positions, except for CB. I also don't know enough about DeMeco to say he has the ability to scheme a better run defense.

The Eagles will attack our corners and our run D with numerous rb and qb runs, couple with play action and qb escapes leading to deep shots.

I have significant concerns about the outcome of this game and for the team the rest of the year.

Not surprised at all to see us lose this game.

The gash plays that DET hit us with weren't bad calls. its was Given, Kerr or Key not maintaining their gaps. That gets clean up with coaching.

That one screen that DET took for a TD. I won't say outright it was a bad play call, cuz i mean, the OC and DC are constantly playing a guessing game against each other. Lets just call it the perfect play against that blitz and it really burned us. I also don't fault Jimmie 100% for not making that tackle. 99/100 he has before, the defensive play call just put him in a really tough spot.

Week 1 was a lot of dink and dunk type stuff. Like someone already mentioned, really simplifying the game for Hurts. It rly looked to me like 1 read and RPO type stuff. Take away that first read, make Hurts hold the ball. If we don't lose contain, he'll get gobble up.

I can see your some of your concerns on defense, but I don't think Philly's D can hang with our O. 30-17 Niners.

Just win. Whatever way possible. Come out of Philly with a W.

We should expect to surrender big plays in the passing game, but if we can contain Hurts and slow their running attack, we should hold them to 21-25 pts. And I have faith in our rushing attack and play action passing so ellipse 26 pts. Any Lance play would be gravy.

Zero expectations for the defense, so the offense is going to have to hold the fort until we get some guys back, not unlike Seattle last year.

Maybe our run defense is not good, but more than anything I expect teams to do that as a sign of respect to the pass rush.

From what I've seen on TV and read online this week everyone seems to be behind Philly this week. I know the trendy thing to do is bandwagon the underdog or "sleeper."

We hear alot about how our CB's are lacking but it's lacking all around the league. And we are talking SB contenders that are lacking at that position. The last two SB champions lack corners and still do. And alot of teams that do have a great #1 Corner don't really have a good #2 guy. That position just lacks depth all around the league. It's all about the pass rush in this era. If you have a good pass rush and some quality Linebackers you are going to have a decent defense. There is a reason top edge rushers get paid more than top corners. It's the 2nd most important position on the field behind QB.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
We hear alot about how our CB's are lacking but it's lacking all around the league. And we are talking SB contenders that are lacking at that position. The last two SB champions lack corners and still do. And alot of teams that do have a great #1 Corner don't really have a good #2 guy. That position just lacks depth all around the league. It's all about the pass rush in this era. If you have a good pass rush and some quality Linebackers you are going to have a decent defense. There is a reason top edge rushers get paid more than top corners. It's the 2nd most important position on the field behind QB.

We have 1 healthy stud LB, no corners, and an injury prone pass rush. The D line depth is nowhere near as good as claimed.