Do turnovers directly result in win/loss?

Everyone blaming Ryans and his D for the loss is forgetting that despite Jimmy giving the peckers the ball in our territory twice, our D had a goal line stand resulting in 0 points, and another stop resulting in a field goal. The fact we lost by less than 3 points aside, can anyone tell me the odds at winning a game while going -2 in the turnover category? Because I don't think it's very good.

There's one claim that +1 produces a 70% win rate.

our d produced no turnovers. Is that what you are saying?

I mean, I don't have the stats on hand, but it's generally accepted that losing the turnover battle is a major contributor in many games... directly or indirectly.

From a situational standpoint:
The Interception:
The Packers returned the Interception to the SF32, so immediately the defense has to defend a shortened field.
Luckily, our defense held and the Packers failed to score within our 5.

The Problem with the INT: We started our next drive on our own 4 yard line, and that lead to the drive that ended with the punt after 4th and 1 at midfield. It didn't explicitly hurt us, but it put stress on the defense having to defend a shortened field and reduced our potential time of possession. It put stress on the offense having to start a drive on our own 4.

The Fumble:
We fumbled the ball after crossing mid-field on two penalties. It directly lead to the Packers driving a shortened field and scoring a field goal.

The Problem with the Fumble: Explicitly, it lead to 3 Packer points and gave them a 6 point lead. It also killed some momentum for us. It again, put stress on the defense having to defend a shortened field. This fumble also happened at around the 5 minute mark, so yes... incredibly stressful for our team as a whole.

CONCLUSION
Turnovers hurt both explicitly and implicitly. We were trailing for nearly the entire game and the turnovers create a lot of stress team-wide. We almost pulled off the win, but the turnovers certainly don't help... turnovers are really us shooting ourselves in the foot.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
There's one claim that +1 produces a 70% win rate.

our d produced no turnovers. Is that what you are saying?

I believe he's implying that the defense shouldn't take so much blame because our offense turned the ball over twice.

As a whole, we made mistakes on both sides of the ball. When you lose by 3 in the final seconds, you realize that there were a lot of missed opportunities and a lot of self-inflicted mistakes that could've changed the game.

Originally posted by Wubbie:
I mean, I don't have the stats on hand, but it's generally accepted that losing the turnover battle is a major contributor in many games... directly or indirectly.

From a situational standpoint:
The Interception:
The Packers returned the Interception to the SF32, so immediately the defense has to defend a shortened field.
Luckily, our defense held and the Packers failed to score within our 5.

The Problem with the INT: We started our next drive on our own 4 yard line, and that lead to the drive that ended with the punt after 4th and 1 at midfield. It didn't explicitly hurt us, but it put stress on the defense having to defend a shortened field and reduced our potential time of possession. It put stress on the offense having to start a drive on our own 4.

The Fumble:
We fumbled the ball after crossing mid-field on two penalties. It directly lead to the Packers driving a shortened field and scoring a field goal.

The Problem with the Fumble: Explicitly, it lead to 3 Packer points and gave them a 6 point lead. It also killed some momentum for us. It again, put stress on the defense having to defend a shortened field. This fumble also happened at around the 5 minute mark, so yes... incredibly stressful for our team as a whole.

CONCLUSION
Turnovers hurt both explicitly and implicitly. We were trailing for nearly the entire game and the turnovers create a lot of stress team-wide. We almost pulled off the win, but the turnovers certainly don't help... turnovers are really us shooting ourselves in the foot.

Turnovers don't make a difference if the D doesn't put us in a 17-0 hole in the 2nd quarter. This is the 3rd week in a row they've had miss steps and it shouldn't be happening with all the talent we have there. It's all on the coaching and they've gotta figure it out.

Originally posted by jcs:
Turnovers don't make a difference if the D doesn't put us in a 17-0 hole in the 2nd quarter. This is the 3rd week in a row they've had miss steps and it shouldn't be happening with all the talent we have there. It's all on the coaching and they've gotta figure it out.

The D put us in 17-0 hole? Yah the offense going 3 and out and turning the ball over had nothing to do with that.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jcs:
Turnovers don't make a difference if the D doesn't put us in a 17-0 hole in the 2nd quarter. This is the 3rd week in a row they've had miss steps and it shouldn't be happening with all the talent we have there. It's all on the coaching and they've gotta figure it out.

The D put us in 17-0 hole? Yah the offense going 3 and out and turning the ball over had nothing to do with that.

You can't blame the offense for the D giving up easy scores.

17 in the first half is half way to a blowout. We can't expect to win games starting this way.

Originally posted by jcs:
You can't blame the offense for the D giving up easy scores.

17 in the first half is half way to a blowout. We can't expect to win games starting this way.

I can when they go 3 and out because the QB can't point his feet at the guy he's throwing to and airmails a 3rd and 1 throw.

So it's on the defense to shut out a future HOFer while the offense figures out how to move the ball against a below average D?

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
There's one claim that +1 produces a 70% win rate.

our d produced no turnovers. Is that what you are saying?

I believe he's implying that the defense shouldn't take so much blame because our offense turned the ball over twice.

As a whole, we made mistakes on both sides of the ball. When you lose by 3 in the final seconds, you realize that there were a lot of missed opportunities and a lot of self-inflicted mistakes that could've changed the game.

Okay no, I don't fault them too much for not causing any turnovers. But dammit can they at least have stopped one the passes in that last 37 seconds!!!

Soft ass defenses won't do s**t in the big bad NFC West!!

Originally posted by jcs:
Turnovers don't make a difference if the D doesn't put us in a 17-0 hole in the 2nd quarter. This is the 3rd week in a row they've had miss steps and it shouldn't be happening with all the talent we have there. It's all on the coaching and they've gotta figure it out.

The defense put us in the hole? You sure the offense didnt have anything to do with us having ZERO points?

If both teams are about equal then turnover ratio can play a huge factor. If you win the turnover battle but lose or barely win, chances are the other team is a better team.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jcs:
Turnovers don't make a difference if the D doesn't put us in a 17-0 hole in the 2nd quarter. This is the 3rd week in a row they've had miss steps and it shouldn't be happening with all the talent we have there. It's all on the coaching and they've gotta figure it out.

The defense put us in the hole? You sure the offense didnt have anything to do with us having ZERO points?

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