Here we are again, but the truth is we have been here since 2002

Welp, it must be October because I am disappointed AF. My friends, brothers and sisters, sit down, your favorite force-wielding poster with the most-er, but not MOSTERT because he is hurt, is going to speak.

Here we go again. But no Whitesnake from me, not this time. The 49ers don't really suck, but we are not really good, either. For the uninformed, we are in NFL purgatory. You don't want to be in NFL purgatory. NFL purgatory is where bad teams that can never become good enough to escape go and where good teams trending toward bad end up. For a current list of teams in or going into NFL purgatory. please see the following: Dolphins, Jags, Giants, WFT, Steelers (Yeah, I said it; book it), JETS, Colts, Texans, Lions, Vikings, Falcons, and, sadly, us.

How did the San Francisco 49ers from Santa Clara, CA, end up here? What were our great sins?

We have four problems that are all interrelated and have plagued us for a long time.

1. Injuries
2. Lack of good and consistent play
3. The Collective Curse of Hubris
4. No QB1

Injuries:

I mean, do we even really need to talk about this? EVERYONE can see it is an issue. Hell, we even have a thread dedicated to it: https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/189063-injuries-7-year-analysis/

Our current problems revolve around having key players out, as in, our starting running back and some of his backups, potentially our LT, our cornerbacks, and one of our star linebackers, Dre Greenlaw. And now, if the hilarity of our continuing injuries were not enough, now, our expensive ass kicker is out with a groin injury.

Lack of good and consistent play:

Part of this is injury (see above) as no MOSTERT means that the running game looks pedestrian. I was glad to see Sermon preach a little on Sunday, but he is a ground and pounder, good to have, but so far not a home run guy. No good or healthy corners means in a league such as this people are going to throw all over our asses. LET ALONE, if they have a good to great QB. And of course, injuries make it hard to be consistent. So part of this is injury, but I wonder if there is something more. Loosing Saleh to the JETS has taken toll on the defense, maybe losing Lafleur also hurt the offense. Loosing talented people always hurts. We don't want to believe it because when they are here, unless we are winning all the time, we do not realize how much they are working to keep us afloat and just above purgatory. And remember, Saleh, Kyle, and Lafleur only had one winning season together.

But there is more...

The Collective Curse of Hubris:



Kyle is a confidant dude. Like his pops, he has a bit of pep in his step. But unlike his old man, he has never won a Super Bowl. In fact, Kyle has lost two, while his dad has won three. Nor has he had an overall career winning record. Dad 178-144, Kyle: 33-38. I will be the first to tell you that winning a championship or losing one does not solely fall on one person. For that matter, neither does your win loss record. But we need to stop with all the Walsh comparisons. Kyle is not Bill Walsh or, for that matter, the other Bill in New England. Part of the hubris issue is for sure the coach, but it is also us and our expectations of what he should be right now.

I really want to tell you that his career is about to take a sharp turn toward title down and a winning overall record, but for that to happen, I think he is going to have to adjust and get over the fact that this team, as constructed, is not going to win #6. It can be argued that his failure to adjust cost him and his dad their jobs in Washington as they mismanaged the QB situation and that team--sure Snyder was singing the solo that sunk them, but the Shanahans were in the chorus backing him up. It also can be argued that the Falcons failure to adjust, which Kyle rightfully caught some of the blame on the chin for, cost them an NFL championship. Well, we all saw the debacle that upended the Quest for Six. Sometimes you lose. You just do. In my life, I have lost more than I have won. I bet you have, too. And no, I am not playing the Rocky Balboa clip about how winning is done because we are not winning. We don't know how to do so consistently. Until we know how, you won't get the damn clip from me. That's right we are so inept, we do not even deserve a clip designed to teach us about winning. During Kyle's tenure, the responsibility for learning how to win, to get the correct players in place to do so, which means making the moves necessary to fix your secondary in the draft and really rebuilding the O-Line, to getting your ASU WR out of the dog house, back in the game, so that he and Deebo (MY GOD. Thank you god for that South Carolina Gamecock that just destroys people. Also Kudos to John and Kyle on the pick), and Kittle can rule the Galaxy as WRs and TE!

But right now, Jimmy GQ, who is getting laid and paid, while the fans are getting f**ked, is not leading the high-powered offense we have been promised, from coach to coach, since f**king MOOCH. We had it for one year with Kyle. One f**king year. That is on the coach and the GM. And it is on us for believing that Kyle was Bill or his dad because there was a linked history with his family and the niners. Don't get me wrong, I want desperately for him to overcome all of this but he has to got change or evolve or something because you know it, and I know it, we are headed in the wrong direction fast. We know where this going, the wheels are already falling off. We saw it with Harbs, we are seeing it again. That is the irony.

No QB1:

Oh, we have a QB, he just never plays. He is hurt more than he plays. It sucks. I think it is unfair but the dude just cannot stay healthy. So bench him. But Kyle will not do that. And you need to ask why. You really, really do. Because if Trey wasn't going to be ready this year, we should not have drafted him as high as we did. Especially, if we thought we had a chance at a Super Bowl run with Jimmy. You load up on D and RBs and you go for it. Caution be damned. That is a plan. Instead, we hedged our bets. Because, we knew we did not have what we need for the new or latest version of the NFL. You cannot win trying to have it both ways. Not right away. Maybe tomorrow, you can. Maybe tomorrow your bet on Lance pays off. There is room for hope. For those that think Lance is Kaep, I want to show you something that as an admitted Kaep fan made me sick back in the day before Trey:


Remember that play? Yeah, you do. You complained about it incessantly, let's not pretend you didn't. Let's compare it to this:


When folks ask me why I have hope, this is why. It isn't much, but hope usually does not require much. Still, I stand by what I said, you can't have it both ways. We are not going to get an Any Given Sunday ending to Jimmy G and Trey L. We are the niners, we have chaos, controversy and butt hurt of epic proportions during these sort of things. It is the way of things, the way of purgatory.

Speaking of Mooch, can you tell me the last great 49er QB? Jeff Garcia. He never won a Super Bowl, and thus, for us, he never won s**t. But that dude was the last great 49er QB. Better than Rattay, Smith, Kaep, and Jimmy G. That was almost twenty years ago. I want you to think about that for a good while before you continue reading. Because our collective curse of hubris has somehow prevented us from 2002 onward to miss on getting the next great 49er QB. Forget the draft, we have colossally f**ked that up to date on picking a QB--again, here is hoping Trey breaks the curse, slaughters a chicken, and gets us back on track. BUT, we have also f**ked up the FA QB game. If we were going into this year saying it was Super Bowl or bust and we had doubts about Jimmy, we must seal the deal and grab a new QB1 from free agency or trade. Rodgers (this would have been tough, but you could still have loaded up on D, trade Jimmy for a 1984 Topps Dale Murphy card, and take your shot at Rodgers the following year--now that dude is likely going to the Steelers or Broncos or Jeopardy), Stafford (not a fan, but I would take him over Jimmy), and--my God, TB12, wanted to come home and you s**t on him. And he won number 7 with the Bucs, and who knows, maybe he could have nabbed #6 for us, but that won't happen because you s**t on the f**king boy that loved the NINERS and the GOAT so much that he grew into THE MAN and became the GOAT--Brady.

I know what some of you will say. Easy to say Captain Hindsight. First, shut it. I have been Captain Hindsight on these boards for almost two decades plying my trade in misery. When did I arrive in purgatory? 2004. One year after the last great 49er QB left town. I keep promising myself that someday you and I will get to leave and go back to Valhalla, where our championship regalia awaits, and where we can bask in the glory of a title. Don't you see? What is so terrifically terrible about purgatory is not being there. It is the hope, often provided by mirages of deliverance that is really nothing more than fool's gold, that you get to leave. As I said, I hope Trey is the one, but, you must forgive me, I have been here an awful long time. I am not sure anymore what is real or false.

On the bright side this means you get a story this fall. Stay tuned.

I am Fropwns

Speaking of Mooch, can you tell me the last great 49er QB? Jeff Garcia. He never won a Super Bowl, and thus, for us, he never won s**t. But that dude was the last great 49er QB. Better than Rattay, Smith, Kaep, and Jimmy G. That was almost twenty years ago. I want you to think about that for a good while before you continue reading. Because our collective curse of hubris has somehow prevented us from 2002 onward to miss on getting the next great 49er QB. Forget the draft, we have colossally f**ked that up to date on picking a QB--again, here is hoping Trey breaks the curse, slaughters a chicken, and gets us back on track. BUT, we have also f**ked up the FA QB game. If we were going into this year saying it was Super Bowl or bust and we had doubts about Jimmy, we must seal the deal and grab a new QB1 from free agency or trade. Rodgers (this would have been tough, but you could still have loaded up on D, trade Jimmy for a 1984 Topps Dale Murphy card, and take your shot at Rodgers the following year--now that dude is likely going to the Steelers or Broncos or Jeopardy), Stafford (not a fan, but I would take him over Jimmy), and--my God, TB12, wanted to come home and you s**t on him. And he won number 7 with the Bucs, and who knows, maybe he could have nabbed #6 for us, but that won't happen because you s**t on the f**king boy that loved the NINERS and the GOAT so much that he grew into man and became the GOAT--Brady.

I know what some of you will say. Easy to say Captain Hindsight. First, shut it. I have been Captain Hindsight on these boards for almost two decades plying my trade in misery. When did I arrive in purgatory? 2004. One year after the last great 49er QB left town. I keep promising myself that someday you and I will get to leave and go back to Valhalla, where our championship regalia awaits, and where we can bask in the glory of a title. Don't you see? What is so terrifically terrible about purgatory is not being there. It is the hope, often provided by mirages of deliverance that is really nothing more than fool's gold, that you get to leave. As I said, I hope Trey is the one, but, you must forgive me, I have been here an awful long time. I am not sure anymore what is real or false.

On the bright side this means you get a story this fall. Stay tuned.

I am Frowns

I couldn't agree more.

I remember Tim rattay having 4 touchdowns against I think rams?
He was on ESPN front page it read (rat ta tat tat) lol

Yeah once again the 49ers have all but taken all the excitement out of the season before week 5. Its an old and tired act. It was the single reason I was so exhausted after the superbowl against the Chiefs. Knowing the NFL took one away from us swallowing the whistle and the chances of getting back were nil.

It must be the witching hour. I have goose bumps awaiting the story.

Originally posted by fropwns:
Because if Trey wasn't going to be ready this year, we should not have drafted him as high as we did. Especially, if we thought we had a chance at a Super Bowl run with Jimmy. You load up on D and RBs and you go for it. Caution be damned. That is a plan. Instead, we hedged our bets. Because, we knew we did not have what we need for the new or latest version of the NFL. You cannot win trying to have it both ways.

This is the key point.

Great Post.

I could care less who is at QB , as long as it's jimmy or trey.

My biggest irk is the fact that we never have a great CB /DB backfield. We always have some third stringers. When a healthy Sherm was back there , we were dominating.

Now we have to deal with a weak rb crew. A kicker off the streets because Ghould always mysteriously gets injured before a seahawk game. A new trash ass Defensive Coordinator.

TIGHTEN IT UP KYLE.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
frowpwns - add WR to that list. This org at one time was a conveyor belt of WR talent. Over that past 10+ seasons we've either signed an aging vet at the twilight of their careers or maybe drafted on guy that would still be the 3rd WR on any of those Mooch squads.

JJ Stokes would be better than any WR on this roster.

JJ Stokes better than Deebo? Um no.

JJ and Tai Streets were the definition of mediocrity.

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
I could care less who is at QB , as long as it's jimmy or trey.

My biggest irk is the fact that we never have a great CB /DB backfield. We always have some third stringers. When a healthy Sherm was back there , we were dominating.

Now we have to deal with a weak rb crew. A kicker off the streets because Ghould always mysteriously gets injured before a seahawk game. A new trash ass Defensive Coordinator.

TIGHTEN IT UP KYLE.

The biggest blindspot of this administration has been DB. Safety I can understand as Tartt and Ward are solid I guess. But they have neglected spending legitimate investment in corner play for too long.

Originally posted by fropwns:

Welp, it must be October because I am disappointed AF. My friends, brothers and sisters, sit down, your favorite force-wielding poster with the most-er, but not MOSTERT because he is hurt, is going to speak.

Here we go again. But no Whitesnake from me, not this time. The 49ers don't really suck, but we are not really good, either. For the uninformed, we are in NFL purgatory. You don't want to be in NFL purgatory. NFL purgatory is where bad teams that can never become good enough to escape go and where good teams trending toward bad end up. For a current list of teams in or going into NFL purgatory. please see the following: Dolphins, Jags, Giants, WFT, Steelers (Yeah, I said it; book it), JETS, Colts, Texans, Lions, Vikings, Falcons, and, sadly, us.

How did the San Francisco 49ers from Santa Clara, CA, end up here? What were our great sins?

We have four problems that are all interrelated and have plagued us for a long time.

1. Injuries
2. Lack of good and consistent play
3. The Collective Curse of Hubris
4. No QB1

Injuries:

I mean, do we even really need to talk about this? EVERYONE can see it is an issue. Hell, we even have a thread dedicated to it: https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/189063-injuries-7-year-analysis/

Our current problems revolve around having key players out, as in, our starting running back and some of his backups, potentially our LT, our cornerbacks, and one of our star linebackers, Dre Greenlaw. And now, if the hilarity of our continuing injuries were not enough, now, our expensive ass kicker is out with a groin injury.

Lack of good and consistent play:

Part of this is injury (see above) as no MOSTERT means that the running game looks pedestrian. I was glad to see Sermon preach a little on Sunday, but he is a ground and pounder, good to have, but so far not a home run guy. No good or healthy corners means in a league such as this people are going to throw all over our asses. LET ALONE, if they have a good to great QB. And of course, injuries make it hard to be consistent. So part of this is injury, but I wonder if there is something more. Loosing Saleh to the JETS has taken toll on the defense, maybe losing Lafleur also hurt the offense. Loosing talented people always hurts. We don't want to believe it because when they are here, unless we are winning all the time, we do not realize how much they are working to keep us afloat and just above purgatory. And remember, Saleh, Kyle, and Lafleur only had one winning season together.

But there is more...

The Collective Curse of Hubris:



Kyle is a confidant dude. Like his pops, he has a bit of pep in his step. But unlike his old man, he has never won a Super Bowl. In fact, Kyle has lost two, while his dad has won three. Nor has he had an overall career winning record. Dad 178-144, Kyle: 33-38. I will be the first to tell you that winning a championship or losing one does not solely fall on one person. For that matter, neither does your win loss record. But we need to stop with all the Walsh comparisons. Kyle is not Bill Walsh or, for that matter, the other Bill in New England. Part of the hubris issue is for sure the coach, but it is also us and our expectations of what he should be right now.

I really want to tell you that his career is about to take a sharp turn toward title down and a winning overall record, but for that to happen, I think he is going to have to adjust and get over the fact that this team, as constructed, is not going to win #6. It can be argued that his failure to adjust cost him and his dad their jobs in Washington as they mismanaged the QB situation and that team--sure Snyder was singing the solo that sunk them, but the Shanahans were in the chorus backing him up. It also can be argued that the Falcons failure to adjust, which Kyle rightfully caught some of the blame on the chin for, cost them an NFL championship. Well, we all saw the debacle that upended the Quest for Six. Sometimes you lose. You just do. In my life, I have lost more than I have won. I bet you have, too. And no, I am not playing the Rocky Balboa clip about how winning is done because we are not winning. We don't know how to do so consistently. Until we know how, you won't get the damn clip from me. That's right we are so inept, we do not even deserve a clip designed to teach us about winning. During Kyle's tenure, the responsibility for learning how to win, to get the correct players in place to do so, which means making the moves necessary to fix your secondary in the draft and really rebuilding the O-Line, to getting your ASU WR out of the dog house, back in the game, so that he and Deebo (MY GOD. Thank you god for that South Carolina Gamecock that just destroys people. Also Kudos to John and Kyle on the pick), and Kittle can rule the Galaxy as WRs and TE!

But right now, Jimmy GQ, who is getting laid and paid, while the fans are getting f**ked, is not leading the high-powered offense we have been promised, from coach to coach, since f**king MOOCH. We had it for one year with Kyle. One f**king year. That is on the coach and the GM. And it is on us for believing that Kyle was Bill or his dad because there was a linked history with his family and the niners. Don't get me wrong, I want desperately for him to overcome all of this but he has to got change or evolve or something because you know it, and I know it, we are headed in the wrong direction fast. We know where this going, the wheels are already falling off. We saw it with Harbs, we are seeing it again. That is the irony.

No QB1:

Oh, we have a QB, he just never plays. He is hurt more than he plays. It sucks. I think it is unfair but the dude just cannot stay healthy. So bench him. But Kyle will not do that. And you need to ask why. You really, really do. Because if Trey wasn't going to be ready this year, we should not have drafted him as high as we did. Especially, if we thought we had a chance at a Super Bowl run with Jimmy. You load up on D and RBs and you go for it. Caution be damned. That is a plan. Instead, we hedged our bets. Because, we knew we did not have what we need for the new or latest version of the NFL. You cannot win trying to have it both ways. Not right away. Maybe tomorrow, you can. Maybe tomorrow your bet on Lance pays off. There is room for hope. For those that think Lance is Kaep, I want to show you something that as an admitted Kaep fan made me sick back in the day before Trey:


Remember that play? Yeah, you do. You complained about it incessantly, let's not pretend you didn't. Let's compare it to this:

DEEBO IS WIDE OPEN.

Trey Lance finds him for the 76-yard TD! #FTTB

📺: #SEAvsSF on FOX
📱: NFL app pic.twitter.com/9BRzRkYRNU

— NFL (@NFL) October 3, 2021

When folks ask me why I have hope, this is why. It isn't much, but hope usually does not require much. Still, I stand by what I said, you can't have it both ways. We are not going to get an Any Given Sunday ending to Jimmy G and Trey L. We are the niners, we have chaos, controversy and butt hurt of epic proportions during these sort of things. It is the way of things, the way of purgatory.

Speaking of Mooch, can you tell me the last great 49er QB? Jeff Garcia. He never won a Super Bowl, and thus, for us, he never won s**t. But that dude was the last great 49er QB. Better than Rattay, Smith, Kaep, and Jimmy G. That was almost twenty years ago. I want you to think about that for a good while before you continue reading. Because our collective curse of hubris has somehow prevented us from 2002 onward to miss on getting the next great 49er QB. Forget the draft, we have colossally f**ked that up to date on picking a QB--again, here is hoping Trey breaks the curse, slaughters a chicken, and gets us back on track. BUT, we have also f**ked up the FA QB game. If we were going into this year saying it was Super Bowl or bust and we had doubts about Jimmy, we must seal the deal and grab a new QB1 from free agency or trade. Rodgers (this would have been tough, but you could still have loaded up on D, trade Jimmy for a 1984 Topps Dale Murphy card, and take your shot at Rodgers the following year--now that dude is likely going to the Steelers or Broncos or Jeopardy), Stafford (not a fan, but I would take him over Jimmy), and--my God, TB12, wanted to come home and you s**t on him. And he won number 7 with the Bucs, and who knows, maybe he could have nabbed #6 for us, but that won't happen because you s**t on the f**king boy that loved the NINERS and the GOAT so much that he grew into THE MAN and became the GOAT--Brady.

I know what some of you will say. Easy to say Captain Hindsight. First, shut it. I have been Captain Hindsight on these boards for almost two decades plying my trade in misery. When did I arrive in purgatory? 2004. One year after the last great 49er QB left town. I keep promising myself that someday you and I will get to leave and go back to Valhalla, where our championship regalia awaits, and where we can bask in the glory of a title. Don't you see? What is so terrifically terrible about purgatory is not being there. It is the hope, often provided by mirages of deliverance that is really nothing more than fool's gold, that you get to leave. As I said, I hope Trey is the one, but, you must forgive me, I have been here an awful long time. I am not sure anymore what is real or false.

On the bright side this means you get a story this fall. Stay tuned.

I am Fropwns

Well said my great friend Fro! I am not on here very often anymore and have been with you also for over two decades! And to add to your purgatory, it started when Dr. Dork and Little Jeddi took over! They don't have a clue and their GM and Coaching hires have been garbage! You are correct about Shanny, he is no Bill Walsh or his Dad! He is an OC who is like a mad scientist that needs a HC to reign him and bring him back to reality! Also we really need a proven DC but that is another story! Great post Fro, like the old days with Bake, Kevin, and LarryT! I don't hold out much hope for a SB, or even the playoffs this year! Stay ell my Friend! I am sure there are many that will disagree with us! Oh and remember folks, we could have had Mahomes, instead of Solomon Thomas! Just Saying!

the common excuse and excuses that are being rolled out are becoming old and tired but thats all they got.. lynch redid a roster that was crap. at the same time he over valued certain players and made horrible player decisions like keeping aa and trading buck and he and or kyle missed more picks in the draft than they scored., the montra of.... would you rather have trent or jt or chip.. is denial and deflection. coming into this year. they over valued just about every area on this team including the alleged dc we have. we keep being told. kyle is a top coach.. is he really?? the decisions he has made in games. especially big games. not being able to develop any quarterback he has had in his tenure.. is he really a great coach? the dc asking linebackers to cover wide outs. is that the growing pains excuse we hear.. or is it just plain incompetence ? this was not a god 2-0 team. it is a bad 2-2 team. i am not in the camp of the homers saying. oh we should be 3-1. there is alot of denial and deflection around here in my opinion

Originally posted by 49ERGLENN:
Well said my great friend Fro! I am not on here very often anymore and have been with you also for over two decades! And to add to your purgatory, it started when Dr. Dork and Little Jeddi took over! They don't have a clue and their GM and Coaching hires have been garbage! You are correct about Shanny, he is no Bill Walsh or his Dad! He is an OC who is like a mad scientist that needs a HC to reign him and bring him back to reality! Also we really need a proven DC but that is another story! Great post Fro, like the old days with Bake, Kevin, and LarryT! I don't hold out much hope for a SB, or even the playoffs this year! Stay ell my Friend! I am sure there are many that will disagree with us! Oh and remember folks, we could have had Mahomes, instead of Solomon Thomas! Just Saying!

you said nothing wrong. add to that a qb coach who can help any qb we have get better... it would suck to see treys career ruined because the team and this head coach and this gm were unable to help him get better. the biggest piece of crap i have heard from the bathwater drinkers of kyle and lynch is that they have nothing to do. especially kyle. with the development of the qb.. suddenly that isnot their job.. there is no time during practice during the season to help trey with some things he needs work on.. its all on him in the off season. that is pure b******t. some fans do not understand when you rightfully give kyle and lynch praise for when things go right.. but you must and they must be held accountable when things go wrong.. to many want it both ways in order to protect kyle and lynch...... simply because they are not nolan. chip. dennis e. jt etc. weak,, very weak

This team is in for another rebuilding.

Thank you, Kyle and John.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Look who Stoked played behind. I know you all just flipped up the page and looked at the stats. The player would start over everyone on this team.

It's like say Taylor wasn't that good because he played with Rice.

jj was not what we drafted him to be.. but he caught 63 balls one year as a second option. but jj gets less respect from the people here. the same ones who build up bums like trent taylor. pettis and of course hurd. could any of those guys produce 63 catches in one year. we know or some of us know the answer in regards to hurd. streets was solid and all he did was make clutch catches. stokes and streets would be the second best wide out on our team right now next to deebo . for a team we were told was going to win now and had one of the best rosters on the nfl to being reduced to. growing pains and moral victories is not acceptable and kyle and lynch should be on the hot seat. i understand if you dare question those two. then your legitimacy as a niner fan comes into question but that is how i feel