Week 4 SEA Seahawks coaches Film Analysis

So far, I really just spent time on Lance and his first throws because I think that's the #1 thing people are interested in.

Dive in, y'all. I'll also post in the Lance thread.

great breakdown

really like how you covered footwork as well

This is very much appreciated. Thank you.

Good drop...Yea his footwork has to get cleaned up in the off season. Definitley not trusting what he's seeing. It will come with time

Originally posted by lamontb:
Good drop...Yea his footwork has to get cleaned up in the off season. Definitley not trusting what he's seeing. It will come with time

If he plays a lot, that will just further lock in any bad habits. It's like planning to lose weight in January but in the meantime you're mainlining KFC and Häagen-Dazs.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
If he plays a lot, that will just further lock in any bad habits. It's like planning to lose weight in January but in the meantime you're mainlining KFC and Häagen-Dazs.

Not how it works lol

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Good drop...Yea his footwork has to get cleaned up in the off season. Definitley not trusting what he's seeing. It will come with time

If he plays a lot, that will just further lock in any bad habits. It's like planning to lose weight in January but in the meantime you're mainlining KFC and Häagen-Dazs.

But didn't he spend his entire time pre draft working with QB gurus correcting foot work? So if it didn't happen by now…

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Not how it works lol

He's right.

Due to neuroplasticity, every time a skill is performed our brain refines that motor pathway, regardless of whether it was performed correctly or incorrectly. For this reason, it is important to have coaches that promote correct technique, whether it be for the sport or in the weight room. If a bad movement pattern is performed repeatedly, the technique will require more practice and time to fix/refine. While neuroplasticity for sporting skills are achievable throughout our lives, research indicates that there is an opportune time to do so [9].

https://www.scienceforsport.com/neuroplasticity/

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:

But didn't he spend his entire time pre draft working with QB gurus correcting foot work? So if it didn't happen by now…

He did, but mechanics are never fixed in one off-season, especially given the amount of work Trey had to do. The guy needs work at every level of his mechanics, and it's going to take many years to address with a career-long effort to sustain and/or master. The best QBs never stop working on their mechanics--Tom Brady is in year 21 and still works on mechanics every offseason.

The onus is going to be on Trey to do it on his own time in the offseason because that's when the real progress happens.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Not how it works lol

He's right.

Due to neuroplasticity, every time a skill is performed our brain refines that motor pathway, regardless of whether it was performed correctly or incorrectly. For this reason, it is important to have coaches that promote correct technique, whether it be for the sport or in the weight room. If a bad movement pattern is performed repeatedly, the technique will require more practice and time to fix/refine. While neuroplasticity for sporting skills are achievable throughout our lives, research indicates that there is an opportune time to do so [9].

https://www.scienceforsport.com/neuroplasticity/

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:

But didn't he spend his entire time pre draft working with QB gurus correcting foot work? So if it didn't happen by now…

He did, but mechanics are never fixed in one off-season, especially given the amount of work Trey had to do. The guy needs work at every level of his mechanics, and it's going to take many years to address with a career-long effort to sustain and/or master. The best QBs never stop working on their mechanics--Tom Brady is in year 21 and still works on mechanics every offseason.

The onus is going to be on Trey to do it on his own time in the offseason because that's when the real progress happens.

I still disagree with this. For me Trey's issues are down to not trusting what he sees and being uncomfortable, then he's rushed and bad habits come in.

When he's on time and in rhythm everything looks great. The throw to Juice on the out was probably the only one from the game though.

It'll come, and I believe it will happen quicker with him getting more playing time.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
If he plays a lot, that will just further lock in any bad habits. It's like planning to lose weight in January but in the meantime you're mainlining KFC and Häagen-Dazs.

Not how it works lol

That's exactly how it works. It reinforces bad habits because there's no time to correct those bad mechanics in season.

Yes, he can eventually correct them, but it will take more time to correct the bad mechanics the more he plays. In linguistics, we call this fossilization, when someone uses a word incorrectly so often, they perceive it as correct and natural and will continue to use said word incorrectly. His bad mechanics will become more "fossilized" the more he plays.

Playing time is not all bad. There's both bad and good. He'll learn the speed of the game and get a better feel of the pocket, knowing when to run and when not to. But we have to understand there's a reason Shanahan wanted him to sit and that he's being asked to play way earlier than expected.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I still disagree with this. For me Trey's issues are down to not trusting what he sees and being uncomfortable, then he's rushed and bad habits come in.

When he's on time and in rhythm everything looks great. The throw to Juice on the out was probably the only one from the game though.

It'll come, and I believe it will happen quicker with him getting more playing time.

I would be very very happy if his problem is not trusting what he sees. Instead, I think he probably had problem reading defense, pre and post snaps, which is much bigger than trust issue.

When the first read is there, most 3rd string QBs probably do fine as well. The standard has to be much higher than this. The mechanics has to be there when the defense makes you uncomfortable, such as pass rush and/or taking away your first read.

The thing is he probably won't face a defense as bad as the Seahawks for a while, especially on a defense that didn't game plan against him.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Not how it works lol

It's exactly how it works. It's one of the risks with playing a guy before they are fully ready. Any bad habits that they may have tend to become further ingrained. If your footwork is already sloppy, being put under pressure regularly just further locks that in and makes it more difficult to improve upon in the long run.

100 bad reps doesn't mean you can fix it with 100 good reps to correct it because you're essentially trying to rewire the brain at that point. It becomes more like 1000 good reps needed.

Thats why its so difficult to fix certain athletic motions and skills. Hard to teach someone to shoot a basketball properly if they been doing it wrong for years. Difficult to correct a faulty golf swing. QBs that come into the NFL with a funky throwing motion and/or sloppy footwork don't typically improve a whole lot on them.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Not how it works lol

It's exactly how it works. It's one of the risks with playing a guy before they are fully ready. Any bad habits that they may have tend to become further ingrained. If your footwork is already sloppy, being put under pressure regularly just further locks that in and makes it more difficult to improve upon in the long run.

Being under pressure and panicking will make a player resort to his instincts (muscle memory). It's too bad, Lance is the second string QB and the first string QB is injured so the second string QB has to play.

Originally posted by thl408:
Being under pressure and panicking will make a player resort to his instincts (muscle memory). It's too bad, Lance is the second string QB and the first string QB is injured so the second string QB has to play.

We saw that with Kaepernick. Every single preseason and training camp we'd hear news about how much better he looks, how he's improved his footwork and throwing motion and how he's looking sharper and throwing it more accurately than ever and he really did look considerably improved.

Vernon Davis Says Colin Kaepernick Looks 'Totally Different'

"When I saw him yesterday," Davis began, "I didn't even know that was Colin. Seriously, he was working on his drop-back, (I said), 'Who was that?' You guys are in for a treat. He looks like a totally different guy."

"I feel like there has been quite a bit of change," the quarterback said of his mechanics. "Obviously, it's noticeable. Vernon said something to me right away when we started throwing."

And then three weeks into the season he was back to throwing the same exact way as before because your body goes with what is most familiar when you're under pressure and don't have time to remind yourself to follow through on all those changes that may not be entirely natural at that point yet.

Garoppolo is another example where for one reason or another he's never managed to get consistent with his footwork at all. He tends to get especially sloppy when he's being pressured and makes a lot of awkward throws that way in particular.

The good thing about Lance is that he has so few snaps as a quarterback, both high school and college that he's a big, super moldable ball of clay. The bad news is if he keeps doing weird stuff with his body and mechanics, the more difficult it will be for him to break those habits.

Lol using Kap, a guy who has openly talked about not caring about mechanics as a basis for your argument.