Week 4 SEA Seahawks coaches Film Analysis

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
It's exactly how it works. It's one of the risks with playing a guy before they are fully ready. Any bad habits that they may have tend to become further ingrained. If your footwork is already sloppy, being put under pressure regularly just further locks that in and makes it more difficult to improve upon in the long run.

100 bad reps doesn't mean you can fix it with 100 good reps to correct it because you're essentially trying to rewire the brain at that point. It becomes more like 1000 good reps needed.

Thats why its so difficult to fix certain athletic motions and skills. Hard to teach someone to shoot a basketball properly if they been doing it wrong for years. Difficult to correct a faulty golf swing. QBs that come into the NFL with a funky throwing motion and/or sloppy footwork don't typically improve a whole lot on them.

By not how it works I mean it's not set in stone forever if he has mechanic issues and plays as a rookie. There are many examples to the contrary.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Lol using Kap, a guy who has openly talked about not caring about mechanics as a basis for your argument.

I think maybe the reason he didn't care about his mechanics is that he saw that change really wasn't happening. He worked with George Whitworth, he worked with Kurt Warner and others. After four years at Nevada, any bad habits he had were basically baked in. Garoppolo's had a QB coach since high school and his footwork is still a hot mess. Change is difficult.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
By not how it works I mean it's not set in stone forever if he has mechanic issues and plays as a rookie. There are many examples to the contrary.

Not set in stone but its far more the rule than the exception when it comes to a QB's throwing motion and footwork. Each snap that you take just reinforces any existing issues that may be there. If you look at a guy like Steve Young, he absolutely had to work like a mother with Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren and Mike Shanahan for years, three HOF level coaches, during a time when coaches were given far more hands on time with players than they are nowadays.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:
Being under pressure and panicking will make a player resort to his instincts (muscle memory). It's too bad, Lance is the second string QB and the first string QB is injured so the second string QB has to play.

We saw that with Kaepernick. Every single preseason and training camp we'd hear news about how much better he looks, how he's improved his footwork and throwing motion and how he's looking sharper and throwing it more accurately than ever and he really did look considerably improved.

Vernon Davis Says Colin Kaepernick Looks 'Totally Different'

"When I saw him yesterday," Davis began, "I didn't even know that was Colin. Seriously, he was working on his drop-back, (I said), 'Who was that?' You guys are in for a treat. He looks like a totally different guy."

"I feel like there has been quite a bit of change," the quarterback said of his mechanics. "Obviously, it's noticeable. Vernon said something to me right away when we started throwing."

And then three weeks into the season he was back to throwing the same exact way as before because your body goes with what is most familiar when you're under pressure and don't have time to remind yourself to follow through on all those changes that may not be entirely natural at that point yet.

Garoppolo is another example where for one reason or another he's never managed to get consistent with his footwork at all. He tends to get especially sloppy when he's being pressured and makes a lot of awkward throws that way in particular.

The good thing about Lance is that he has so few snaps as a quarterback, both high school and college that he's a big, super moldable ball of clay. The bad news is if he keeps doing weird stuff with his body and mechanics, the more difficult it will be for him to break those habits.

I agree with the muscle memory stuff. I guess what I meant was, 'what is the alternative?'. Play Sudfield because Lance's mechanics aren't ready? That won't go over well with Warner Kittle etc that bust their behinds trying to get a W, but the rookie QB won't play because he has shaky mechanics. This is assuming Lance is better than Sudfeld.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Not how it works lol

It's exactly how it works. It's one of the risks with playing a guy before they are fully ready. Any bad habits that they may have tend to become further ingrained. If your footwork is already sloppy, being put under pressure regularly just further locks that in and makes it more difficult to improve upon in the long run.

100 bad reps doesn't mean you can fix it with 100 good reps to correct it because you're essentially trying to rewire the brain at that point. It becomes more like 1000 good reps needed.

Thats why its so difficult to fix certain athletic motions and skills. Hard to teach someone to shoot a basketball properly if they been doing it wrong for years. Difficult to correct a faulty golf swing. QBs that come into the NFL with a funky throwing motion and/or sloppy footwork don't typically improve a whole lot on them.

Agree!

Originally posted by jonnydel:
So far, I really just spent time on Lance and his first throws because I think that's the #1 thing people are interested in.

Dive in, y'all. I'll also post in the Lance thread.

I found your breakdown quite balanced unlike someone criticizing you for being over critical of Trey. I mean you even comment at 7.50-8.00 in effect that his level of play was where you would expect for his experience and it wasn't a critique where you were just running him down.

Picking the right and best read in a situation can only come with good coaching and experience over time. A person can only absorb so much to the point they can't take in further info. It takes time even at his level to process all the info. Phoenix summed it up accurately that starting him too soon will be detrimental because he will get stuck on bad habits.

I am hoping JG will be healthy enough to start this week against the Cards. He is still our best chance of beating them.

Thanks again for putting in a huge effect to break down last weekends game. I appreciate it is long hard work but the end result raises the knowledge level of the fan base that take the time to watch your quality videos.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
So far, I really just spent time on Lance and his first throws because I think that's the #1 thing people are interested in.

Dive in, y'all. I'll also post in the Lance thread.

Nice breakdown jd. I think that was a very fair assessment of his dropback passing and his reads - it wasn't good. I'm hoping for a more calm demeanor from him in week 5 after a full week of practice and mental prep.

Nice work again JD, enjoyed the video.

Great stuff JD!

Curious, why does no one talk about how wobbly his throws have been? Something has to be up with his mechanics.

Originally posted by davide49:
Great stuff JD!

Curious, why does no one talk about how wobbly his throws have been? Something has to be up with his mechanics.

He has small hands. You know what they say about QBs with small hands.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by davide49:
Great stuff JD!

Curious, why does no one talk about how wobbly his throws have been? Something has to be up with his mechanics.

He has small hands. You know what they say about QBs with small hands.

LOL, yeah, they fumble the ball - that was what was said about Alex Smith, right?

But really, I don't even notice if a ball is wobbly or not from the film. Peyton manning used to throw the uggliest lame ducks all the time and did just fine.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
LOL, yeah, they fumble the ball - that was what was said about Alex Smith, right?

But really, I don't even notice if a ball is wobbly or not from the film. Peyton manning used to throw the uggliest lame ducks all the time and did just fine.

Maybe in his last season with Denver JD. I don't think you'll see a lot of highlights of the all time greats throwing wobbly passes. Lance is not spinning his throws and if Jimmy were doing this people would be all over it like white on rice.

Like how you put in the work , but it would be nice if you started at the beginning of the game.

On more than one occasion SEA disguised single high, then rotated to 2 high, but the safety that was single high presnap would rob the middle of the field. Jimmy's INT was one occasion. Teams are clogging up the middle and the 49ers need to make them pay.
jd, not sure if you were planning on it, but Jimmy's TD pass shows a benefit to having reduced splits in the passing game. It earned Dwelley inside leverage as he released into his route. Jimmy located the ball perfectly to the inside and Dwelley basically boxed out the defender (TE vs CB, advantage TE).

Originally posted by thl408:
On more than one occasion SEA disguised single high, then rotated to 2 high, but the safety that was single high presnap would rob the middle of the field. Jimmy's INT was one occasion. Teams are clogging up the middle and the 49ers need to make them pay.
jd, not sure if you were planning on it, but Jimmy's TD pass shows a benefit to having reduced splits in the passing game. It earned Dwelley inside leverage as he released into his route. Jimmy located the ball perfectly to the inside and Dwelley basically boxed out the defender (TE vs CB, advantage TE).

Same ol Jimmy story. Doesn't throw outside with any consistency so why should defenses be scared of that?