Week 4 SEA Seahawks coaches Film Analysis

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by thl408:
On more than one occasion SEA disguised single high, then rotated to 2 high, but the safety that was single high presnap would rob the middle of the field. Jimmy's INT was one occasion. Teams are clogging up the middle and the 49ers need to make them pay.
jd, not sure if you were planning on it, but Jimmy's TD pass shows a benefit to having reduced splits in the passing game. It earned Dwelley inside leverage as he released into his route. Jimmy located the ball perfectly to the inside and Dwelley basically boxed out the defender (TE vs CB, advantage TE).

Same ol Jimmy story. Doesn't throw outside with any consistency so why should defenses be scared of that?

It's the play calling.

Originally posted by jcs:
It's the play calling.

I'm Philly shanny dialed up 2 pretty easy outside throws (one about a 20 yarder, the other 15-20), both missed badly by Jimmy.

So I agree it hasn't been called but could there be a logical reason shanny doesn't want to?

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by thl408:
On more than one occasion SEA disguised single high, then rotated to 2 high, but the safety that was single high presnap would rob the middle of the field. Jimmy's INT was one occasion. Teams are clogging up the middle and the 49ers need to make them pay.
jd, not sure if you were planning on it, but Jimmy's TD pass shows a benefit to having reduced splits in the passing game. It earned Dwelley inside leverage as he released into his route. Jimmy located the ball perfectly to the inside and Dwelley basically boxed out the defender (TE vs CB, advantage TE).

Same ol Jimmy story. Doesn't throw outside with any consistency so why should defenses be scared of that?

Not sure it's about "not being scared" more about trying to get a better matchup over the MOF. Jimmy usually eats LB's up with his quick release and looking off zone-defenders. Seattle was putting their best pass defender(Diggs) into the intermediate area.

Originally posted by okieniner:
Like how you put in the work , but it would be nice if you started at the beginning of the game.

I would too, man. Just not enough hours in the day this week. Some weeks, yes. This week, no.

Wouldn't a no huddle offensive approach simplify the defense for Lance?

I think giving Lance the old Kap offensive consisting of RPOs and PA 1/2 field reads would go a long ways.

Originally posted by theninermaniac:
Wouldn't a no huddle offensive approach simplify the defense for Lance?

I think giving Lance the old Kap offensive consisting of RPOs and PA 1/2 field reads would go a long ways.

No huddle will work if the QB can quickly decipher what he sees at the line. I don't see anything that would suggest Lance knows what he is looking at - again he was put in a tough spot last Sunday so I get it. But no huddle works both ways as defensive playcalls also get simplified when they are defending no huddle.

Agreed, I think we see more of the playaction long developing plays compared to what we did with Jimmy (bolded above). Lance's college offense was like that - hard playaction for deep shots. These types of plays will compliment what I think would be a run heavy gameplan, help pass protection, have only two or three routes going out (easier reads), and the reads are deeper down field where there are less defenders (behind the LBs). Dropback timing also doesn't have to be as precise on these longer developing plays which can help mask Lance's erratic dropback footwork that jonnyd alluded to in the video.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
great breakdown

really like how you covered footwork as well

Agreed. Super objective and he covered a lot!

This 49er run game looks different from a schematic standpoint. There are more run plays that involve a pulling guard and/or bringing Juice/Kittle from the opposite side to the playside. I think this is a counterpunch to the Bear-ish fronts that defenses have been using. Also seems like more shotgun runs than in years past.

Question for anyone that watched Lance's college tape, did he run many RPOs in college? I'm not talking about zone read runs, but actual RPOs where he has the option to throw if that's what the presnap read determined.
Check the play @ 10:42 of this clip. I don't see many plays like this called for him in college so it makes me think he's just inexperienced making these reads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAepPL5-www

I saw one play vs SEA where he handed the ball off to Sermon, but Deebo had the numbers for a quick throw to the flat for a WR screen - it would gone for good yardage. Just wondering if he has experience with RPOs and just misread the play, or if this is a rather new concept for him. With him being a run threat, RPOs can be very effective versus zone coverages for some easy yards.

Originally posted by thl408:
Question for anyone that watched Lance's college tape, did he run many RPOs in college? I'm not talking about zone read runs, but actual RPOs where he has the option to throw if that's what the presnap read determined.
Check the play @ 10:42 of this clip. I don't see many plays like this called for him in college so it makes me think he's just inexperienced making these reads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAepPL5-www

I saw one play vs SEA where he handed the ball off to Sermon, but Deebo had the numbers for a quick throw to the flat for a WR screen - it would gone for good yardage. Just wondering if he has experience with RPOs and just misread the play, or if this is a rather new concept for him. With him being a run threat, RPOs can be very effective versus zone coverages for some easy yards.

Ouch!

Originally posted by thl408:
Question for anyone that watched Lance's college tape, did he run many RPOs in college?

nope

Originally posted by Heroism:
nope

I don't see it either but I only speed watched a youtube clip of his college throws. Did not see many instances where he had an option to throw the quick WR screen, handoff to the RB, or QB keep. For the immediate future (2021), I think bootleg/rollouts, hard playaction for deep shots, and getting him to learn RPOs will allow him to operate a productive offense as he gets caught up on the rhythm passing plays.

Originally posted by thl408:
Question for anyone that watched Lance's college tape, did he run many RPOs in college? I'm not talking about zone read runs, but actual RPOs where he has the option to throw if that's what the presnap read determined.
Check the play @ 10:42 of this clip. I don't see many plays like this called for him in college so it makes me think he's just inexperienced making these reads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAepPL5-www

I saw one play vs SEA where he handed the ball off to Sermon, but Deebo had the numbers for a quick throw to the flat for a WR screen - it would gone for good yardage. Just wondering if he has experience with RPOs and just misread the play, or if this is a rather new concept for him. With him being a run threat, RPOs can be very effective versus zone coverages for some easy yards.

No idea why we have him doing this and Pistol crap. I thought one of the reasons we drafted him was because of his experience with being under center and the play action abilities off of it. Looks like we making him do something new when there is no need to

Originally posted by thl408:
I don't see it either but I only speed watched a youtube clip of his college throws. Did not see many instances where he had an option to throw the quick WR screen, handoff to the RB, or QB keep. For the immediate future (2021), I think bootleg/rollouts, hard playaction for deep shots, and getting him to learn RPOs will allow him to operate a productive offense as he gets caught up on the rhythm passing plays.

Yeah, I can't even think of one that I remember, but it's been months since I watched Trey's college tape.

Mac Jones is the guy that comes to mind that ran a freaking ton of RPOs in college.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Yeah, I can't even think of one that I remember, but it's been months since I watched Trey's college tape.

Mac Jones is the guy that comes to mind that ran a freaking ton of RPOs in college.

And Trevor Lawrence. Those are the two that had the least from under center as well