SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS at ARIZONA CARDINALS - 2021 Game 5

Originally posted by onetrackt:
How can they honestly look at Ryans and not fire him during the bye week

This post did not age well.

Poster full of so many trash takes.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

The 49ers' offense in weeks 2, 3, and the first half of week 4 with Garoppolo: 4.84 yards per play

Last six quarters with Lance at QB: 6.12 yards per play

— Dieter Kurtenbach (@dieter) October 10, 2021

This guy is worse than cohn

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

The 49ers' offense in weeks 2, 3, and the first half of week 4 with Garoppolo: 4.84 yards per play

Last six quarters with Lance at QB: 6.12 yards per play

— Dieter Kurtenbach (@dieter) October 10, 2021

Why didn't he include week 1?

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I wonder if we win this game with Kittle.

He might have made a difference on the 4th down goalie play, either blocking, running, or catching

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lance f**king left on it all the field, kid wants to win and no one came deny that.

like others said the game doesn't look to big for him, he needs more reps more time being the starter…this team goes for Jimmy to Lance and it's two totally different styles of play.

Wanting and Needing are 2 different things.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I've probably been in the minority with this take as well. I never bought into the narrative that if he balls out today, he'll keep the job. Eric Davis talked about this as well saying that once they go to Trey, it signals the season is over to all veteran players, many on one year contracts. What you're saying is you are now preparing for a future, using the present to prepare for that, and many of the players won't be here for that future. They are here today and they want to win now. They don't have 6 year contracts. It also signals you're giving up on the season way early when there's still a full season to go.

I don't think it matters how he plays today. It's just film for Kyle and Trey to build on as Kyle gets him more ready for the future and learns himself, what Trey-specific plays were effective, which weren't, what he was comfortable with not, etc.

Again, once Kyle feels he can run the 85% more and be effectively consistent on 3rd downs, he'll be ready. That's unlikely at this early stage.

1) After what I saw today, I think the Niners may have just as good a chance with Lance, as with JG.
2) With today's loss, the season is looking borderline over.

Actually, I think the best bet might be to go with Lance, hope to just make the playoffs, and go with the slim hope that he will be good enough by then to help carry the team.

Originally posted by taney71:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by socalfan21:
Jimmy would have gotten sacked like 10 times in this game. Trey Lance using his legs bailed him out and I cant believe we are going back to Garoppolo

Defense only giving up 17 we would have won with Jimmy.

Perhaps but I would play Lance. Over time that's the smarter move.

Drives would have ended much sooner with Jimmy. I dont believe he would have done much more.

Defense played very well and held the current best offense to only 17 points. Shanahan definitely made some mistakes (not taking the field goal), but had Jimmy been healthy, I think we would have comfortably won this game, by at least a couple scores. Lance has not looked well so far. I am reminded of our last dual threat quarterback, Kapernick, and that's not a good sign. Kapernick had an incredible arm, was athletic and could scramble very fast, but he was not a good quarterback. We had a great defense and run game with Kap at first, but after that fell apart we couldn't win games. To win you need a good defense, a good run game and a good quarterback. You don't need a top 5 quarterback even if that's nice to have.

We have a good defense as seen in this game tonight, we have a good run game - though they do need to iron a few things out right now, and we have a good quarterback in Garoppolo. He wins 75% of his games. Have a good o-line to protect him, use the run to set up the pass and augment that with a ferocious pass rush. That's a formula to be a playoff team every year.

Peyton Manning had far from his best season his last year playing. But with a great defense and running game, he won another super bowl. We have the tools already. We didn't need to give up our first round picks for the next 2 years for a guy who only played one full season of college football in a minor college division. That's Shanahan's and Lynch's big goof so far. If they really wanted another quarterback they could have taken Mac Jonas at 15. But I still believe in this organization and this team. This is not the nadir years of 2015 and 2016. Shanahan and Lynch have built a strong team and we have seen what it can do when things are clicking in the amazing 2019 season.

The sky is not falling, the season is still young and there are a lot of good football players on this team. It's good we have this early bye. Garaoppolo can rest another week and be ready for the Colts. The other ailing players can rest more too. Shanahan can take a deep breath and figure out the issues in play calling we've had in weeks 2 through 5. I can see this team finishing 8-8, but I could see us finishing 14-3 too. There's an extra playoff spot and a seventeenth game. Indianapolis and Chicago are very winnable games. No way are we done yet. And Russell Wilson is gonna be out for at least 6 weeks. We are very much in it still.

I might consider trading a defensive lineman for an offensive lineman right now. Hate to break up the group, but we need the best pass protection for Jimmy possible and much better run blocking. I'd also consider using whatever our highest pick ends up being in the draft on a cornerback. We need a better secondary.

Go Niners! Quest for Six!

100% truth. Especially with Kittle missing

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

The 49ers' offense in weeks 2, 3, and the first half of week 4 with Garoppolo: 4.84 yards per play

Last six quarters with Lance at QB: 6.12 yards per play

— Dieter Kurtenbach (@dieter) October 10, 2021

Why didn't he include week 1?

Hater's gotta hate.

Originally posted by badguy_1:

Jimmy Garoppolo was awful and got injured the past two times he faced the terrible Seahawks defense. What was he really going to do against Arizona?

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) October 11, 2021

100% truth. Especially with Kittle missing

I usually don't agree with Cohn, but just like Dontae Johnson, sometimes he is right.

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by taney71:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by socalfan21:
Jimmy would have gotten sacked like 10 times in this game. Trey Lance using his legs bailed him out and I cant believe we are going back to Garoppolo

Defense only giving up 17 we would have won with Jimmy.

Perhaps but I would play Lance. Over time that's the smarter move.

Drives would have ended much sooner with Jimmy. I dont believe he would have done much more.

There were a couple of drives that trey extended in ways Jimmy simply couldn't. At the same time Jimmy is more efficient over the middle and may not have need those types of plays to get the first down.

Overall I don't think Jimmy v Trey is a case of this one's not better than the other by a large margin. To me they're both different shades of limitations. Difference is, Jimmy is what Jimmy is, we don't know what Trey will be yet. Long term we're better off with Trey.

Having said that, if today is an example of how we're going to play Trey then I'm not keen on seeing that for another 12 weeks. If Trey is too raw to run a proper offense or be trusted to pass then I'd rather he sit than take that sort of punishment week in and week out.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Just lead 3 straight games of 7 pts 1st half…sounds like a $100M QB to me

You have a dilemma. You love Lance and want him played now, but your lord and savior Kyle is adamant on sticking with Jimmy. How do you reconcile this.

Would be stupid to stick with Trey with a healthy Jimmy G.

I disagree
After seeing that game, I'd go with TL.
I hope that KS is smart enough to, but he's got a lot of pressure from vets loyal to JG.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by taney71:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by socalfan21:
Jimmy would have gotten sacked like 10 times in this game. Trey Lance using his legs bailed him out and I cant believe we are going back to Garoppolo

Defense only giving up 17 we would have won with Jimmy.

Perhaps but I would play Lance. Over time that's the smarter move.

Drives would have ended much sooner with Jimmy. I dont believe he would have done much more.

There were a couple of drives that trey extended in ways Jimmy simply couldn't. At the same time Jimmy is more efficient over the middle and may not have need those types of plays to get the first down.

Overall I don't think Jimmy v Trey is a case of this one's not better than the other by a large margin. To me they're both different shades of limitations. Difference is, Jimmy is what Jimmy is, we don't know what Trey will be yet. Long term we're better off with Trey.

Having said that, if today is an example of how we're going to play Trey then I'm not keen on seeing that for another 12 weeks. If Trey is too raw to run a proper offense or be trusted to pass then I'd rather he sit than take that sort of punishment week in and week out.

Theyre gonna miss the playoffs regardless so why not get Trey starts especially with Jimmy wont be here next year.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If that was Lance's floor then I'm excited to see what he can become….Rome wasn't built in a day

Now that my blood pressure has come down everything you do in life, business school ect it's gonna get worse before it gets better . Since we boarded this s**t train let the kid suck it out. He's not gonna get better on the bench.

we were a better team with jimmy and those picks. It's all a moot point now. Play the kid and see how it goes.