Who gets fired first, Kyle or John?

Originally posted by MarkD:

Clown thread

Originally posted by 49erfoeva:
John needs to go he's just a PR guy

He is a liaison and PR guy - Peters and Shanahan are the people in charge. Lynch shouldn't be fired for the personnel/team failures, it should be Peters and Shanahan.

but i thought Shanny got his QB and its gonna take time to groom him???

the Zone continues to NOT disappoint

Originally posted by CardinalGold:
In 5 years they have failed to

• Acquire a franchise QB
• Develop a franchise QB
• Build an effective secondary
• Develop CBs
• Build an effective OL
• Develop a pass rush (except for 2019)
• Draft effectively
• Produce more than 1 winning season
• Draft a starting WR other than Deebo after spending around 8 picks on WRs

I wish I could argue with this list, but there are no lies detected here. Whatever that crap was last night against the Colts, it wasn't professional football at its highest caliber. I've seen the 49ers play bad before, but that was just simply a bunch of guys in crimson and gold uniforms slogging sluggishly through a game only a few of them wanted to play.

That's on Shanahan. If he can't come up with a better gameplan with two weeks to prepare for the Colts, maybe he's not head coach material. Or maybe he can't do anything with the "talent" he and Lynch have drafted, traded for and, signed to be 49ers. This is a team with the fourth-best quarterback in a four-team division and they deserve to be a fourth-place team. That's ALL on the 49ers' so-called brain trust.

Or is that "brain bust?"

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by Deebo:
Kyle is wearing three hats simultaneously, none very well, as the HC, OC and defacto GM.

Lynch does what Kyle says and is the front face of the organization, with little effect on much.

Promote Peters to GM, give Lynch a ceremonial title/position nominally in charge of football operations, and get out of the way.

Get Kyle a real OC, and MAYBE he can turn into a HC. But Kyle doesn't strike me as the flexible type that would subjugate his ego in the best interests of the team.

Good points. I also think Kyle needs to surround himself with other established coaches. We're the only team in the league with assistant coaches no ones ever heard of!

The smart part about surrounding yourself with assistant coaches that don't have head coaching experience is that even if you stink, there's nobody on the staff who can take the top job without bad getting worse.

This might be the proof that Kyle Shanahan really is a genius.

This would have been an interesting question…ie, this thread…but nobody knows if Paraag is one of the main guys making talent decisions…then you ask this question. Why..? Because if Paraag has any voice in who we draft, FA, TRade or re-sign (Buck,eg), firing KS or JL is meaningless. First find out for sure that Paraag isn't involved in talent picks…esp moneyballers.

Sorry, but until we know for a fact Paraag is NOT part of the evaluation process, this question and thread is moot. If Paraag is part of the talent choosing process, we are screwed as a team. Sure you need an accountant for contracts, NOT for choosing talent. Somebody find out…but until someone knows for sure about Paraag…he is my overwhelming choice for any problems we have had in talent selection.

He is not a football guy…just an accountant.

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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
This would have been an interesting question…ie, this thread…but nobody knows if Paraag is one of the main guys making talent decisions…then you ask this question. Why..? Because if Paraag has any voice in who we draft, FA, TRade or re-sign (Buck,eg), firing KS or JL is meaningless. First find out for sure that Paraag isn't involved in talent picks…esp moneyballers.

Sorry, but until we know for a fact Paraag is NOT part of the evaluation process, this question and thread is moot. If Paraag is part of the talent choosing process, we are screwed as a team. Sure you need an accountant for contracts, NOT for choosing talent. Somebody find out…but until someone knows for sure about Paraag…he is my overwhelming choice for any problems we have had in talent selection.

He is not a football guy…just an accountant.

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What evidence is there that Paarag is involved in that capacity at all? If there's any proof of this, sure lets look into it. Otherwise blaming Paraag is just a baseless conspiracy theory.

Originally posted by Goatie:
Bring back Baalke

Baalke looks like a H.O.F compared to Lynch.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
This would have been an interesting question…ie, this thread…but nobody knows if Paraag is one of the main guys making talent decisions…then you ask this question. Why..? Because if Paraag has any voice in who we draft, FA, TRade or re-sign (Buck,eg), firing KS or JL is meaningless. First find out for sure that Paraag isn't involved in talent picks…esp moneyballers.

Sorry, but until we know for a fact Paraag is NOT part of the evaluation process, this question and thread is moot. If Paraag is part of the talent choosing process, we are screwed as a team. Sure you need an accountant for contracts, NOT for choosing talent. Somebody find out…but until someone knows for sure about Paraag…he is my overwhelming choice for any problems we have had in talent selection.

He is not a football guy…just an accountant.

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What evidence is there thatt Paarag is involved in that capacity at all? If there's any proof of this, sure lets look into it. Otherwise blaming Paraag is just a baseless conspiracy theory.

Yeah, this came up once before after the York's took over. It was never proven but who would spill the beans? Right…nobody. There was a time when it became apparent Harbaw had no idea when to throw a red flag and when not. Some reporter then posted that Paraag up in box was making the decisions…mostly all wrong. Same story. Nobody would deny or confirm it but after that , Harbs quit making dumb red flag calls.

There is just as good a chance as not that Paraag is involved in talent evaluation and deciding re-signing a guy (Buck) or not. So I remain skeptical until someone proves it right or wrong. It just looks like moneyball, before KS JL got here , raised its ugly head again. And THAT would be Paraag. I just want someone to clarify it.

Originally posted by BungleNinerFan:

Originally posted by 49erfoeva:
John needs to go he's just a PR guy

He is a liaison and PR guy - Peters and Shanahan are the people in charge. Lynch shouldn't be fired for the personnel/team failures, it should be Peters and Shanahan.

Why do people think Adam Peters is good? He's an Elway guy…and the Broncos were pretty awful during the Elway era at evaluating talent. They got bailed out by being able to sign Peyton Manning.

If the Niners replace Lynch at some point, I want absolutely nothing to do with promoting from within or pulling from a place like Denver.

100% Lynch before John. Missing on Kinlaw (barring miraculous recovery next year) and getting rid of DeFo would be the nail in the coffin.
If Peters really is responsible for some of the late round gems (Warner, Kittle, Greenlaw) then he would get promoted.

KYLE took it so seriously when a lot of people tagged him as The Best Mind In The NFL and fully believe that he can make any offensive skill position GREAT...

Whoever started the LIE should also step up in the mic and admit that KS is nothing more than an overrated good play designer whose last name happened to be SHANAHAN..

Wrong question. The question should be "Who should get fired first if this is another loosing season." And my answer would be Shanny.

This is NOT Lynch's show. It's Shanny. Anyone paying any attention knows this. Lynch has stacked the roster the way Shanny wanted. Shanny has final say of the 53. Shanny has final say on the game day roster. No QB is on this roster but for Shanny's desire.

Now, I DO NOT believe that Shanny (or Lynch) should be fired should this season end in a losing season (as I now think it will). But if anyone is to be fired I say it should be Shanny. Make no mistake about it, this team turns on Shanny's desires, not Lynch's.

Originally posted by jimmy3233:

100% Lynch before John. Missing on Kinlaw (barring miraculous recovery next year) and getting rid of DeFo would be the nail in the coffin.
If Peters really is responsible for some of the late round gems (Warner, Kittle, Greenlaw) then he would get promoted.

Lynch before John?

Hopefully both get fired at the same time, but if I had to pick...I would pick Shanahan! The coaching staff he arranged is absolute garbage, and Lynch has nothing to do with that!