After this week, I truly believe coaching is the problem.

Originally posted by Zachary:
It's just annoying how a few small changes change our season. Aaron Rodgers with 37 seconds left.

this game two costly fumbles. We force two and recover one but lost it a second later. Idk if it's coaching or just bad luck

das football

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by TheRambler:
Defensive coaching is a problem. Offense is more personnel.

The defenses personnel is horrible outside of Bosa and Fred.

The front 7 ist pretty much solid.

Originally posted by communist:
The front 7 ist pretty much solid.

I don't know. Too many missed tackles. When you look where our lb's line up, I think it makes things worse cuz we don't employ space eating strategies from DL. There's always someone in their face. We need to mutate out of the w9 philosophy cause we are getting killed on the ground.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by communist:
The front 7 ist pretty much solid.

I don't know. Too many missed tackles. When you look where our lb's line up, I think it makes things worse cuz we don't employ space eating strategies from DL. There's always someone in their face. We need to mutate out of the w9 philosophy cause we are getting killed on the ground.

The D needs a makeover this off season. I'm not even saying Ryan either. He has to coach with what he's got and he's a first time DC. It even took Saleh a year or so to get comfortable. The D philosophy needs to change as well as some of the personell outside of Bosa, Warner, and a few of the depth guys.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by communist:
The front 7 ist pretty much solid.

I don't know. Too many missed tackles. When you look where our lb's line up, I think it makes things worse cuz we don't employ space eating strategies from DL. There's always someone in their face. We need to mutate out of the w9 philosophy cause we are getting killed on the ground.

Ryan's- Love the guy and the promotion but wow, this defense looks terrible. Extremely fortunate that Murray wasn't in there, otherwise Colt would have been in for mop up duty anyway for the entire 4th quarter.
The LB's seemed fine when Ryans was coaching them.
Maybe he's only a good LB coach and Kyle's only a good OC.
Now that Kyle doesn't have his running game guy, his passing game guy and full offensive assistant game planners that he came with, the offense looks like it's stuck in the mud.
Maybe Kyle isn't the genius but his collective assistants were.
I really thought that he was going to be "THE" coach that brought the team back to dominance.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by rxrunner:
This team sucks. Wow

sad seems like the alex smith 49ers with chip Kelly could whoop on this team

The Jets could probably beat this team, tbh

The Jags could probably beat this team too.

I live in FL and have tickets for this game. It seemed like a good idea at the time... Now, not so sure.

Originally posted by rxrunner:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by rxrunner:
This team sucks. Wow

sad seems like the alex smith 49ers with chip Kelly could whoop on this team

Kliff made Kyle his b***h without his starting QB and top WR.

And his star DE

We did the same thing to them last year and they were playing for the playoffs.

That just goes to show you that the whole "Kyle needs to be fired" thing is overblown. He does need to take accountability for his issues and may need to give away some of his control.

But firing Shanahan after this game would be a major overreaction. The offense wasn't really the problem though fumbles, drops and poor pass pro doesn't help execution.

The defense was the major issue here and that's where most of our injuries are. It's also where we have a first time DC at work.

It doesn't excuse the performance and there are definitely many questionable things this regime has done which is starting to rear its ugly head now that we're losing games like this but some people want change for changes sake and assume it will get better. That's not the case.

Bringing in a new HC when you have a young QB learning the current offense and you gave away 2 future first rounders to get the kid is not the time to bring in another HC imo.

Having said that if we somehow continue to go into games where it looks like we're assuming the W is just going to be handed to us then I don't know how Kyle can keep his job.

Originally posted by Sourball:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by communist:
The front 7 ist pretty much solid.

I don't know. Too many missed tackles. When you look where our lb's line up, I think it makes things worse cuz we don't employ space eating strategies from DL. There's always someone in their face. We need to mutate out of the w9 philosophy cause we are getting killed on the ground.

Ryan's- Love the guy and the promotion but wow, this defense looks terrible. Extremely fortunate that Murray wasn't in there, otherwise Colt would have been in for mop up duty anyway for the entire 4th quarter.
The LB's seemed fine when Ryans was coaching them.
Maybe he's only a good LB coach and Kyle's only a good OC.
Now that Kyle doesn't have his running game guy, his passing game guy and full offensive assistant game planners that he came with, the offense looks like it's stuck in the mud.
Maybe Kyle isn't the genius but his collective assistants were.
I really thought that he was going to be "THE" coach that brought the team back to dominance.

That's a crazy take. What is LaFleur doing with the Jets? McDaniel is still on the team btw and is technically the "OC" although I don't know why he even has that title.

Saleh was Shanahan's 3rd DC choice. He was terrible his first 2 seasons here - just dig up the Saleh thread everyone wanted him gone. Suddenly we added Bosa, Ford, Kwon and a few others and he's the man.

Now we do know Saleh was a really good leader and highly hyped up...without leaders on this defense Bosa is very quit, I feel like Fred is fairly reserved as well there's not much fire there. That's where Jim Harbaugh was great. Dude could get you to run through a wall. That's where I wish Kyle would get more upset. Not this doghouse sh*t(although it seemed to have woken up Aiyuk)

But back to the bold comment...Kyle is still one of the top offensive masterminds in the game. That's not a question. Where he's taken a step back this year is he's playcalling like he doesn't trust his players and while I can understand that...he's the one basically getting these players. Like why the hell did we draft Banks, Sermon, Thomas, Lenoir if we're not going to play them?

The biggest issue is our front office decision making and terrible drafting track record.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sourball:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by communist:
The front 7 ist pretty much solid.

I don't know. Too many missed tackles. When you look where our lb's line up, I think it makes things worse cuz we don't employ space eating strategies from DL. There's always someone in their face. We need to mutate out of the w9 philosophy cause we are getting killed on the ground.

Ryan's- Love the guy and the promotion but wow, this defense looks terrible. Extremely fortunate that Murray wasn't in there, otherwise Colt would have been in for mop up duty anyway for the entire 4th quarter.
The LB's seemed fine when Ryans was coaching them.
Maybe he's only a good LB coach and Kyle's only a good OC.
Now that Kyle doesn't have his running game guy, his passing game guy and full offensive assistant game planners that he came with, the offense looks like it's stuck in the mud.
Maybe Kyle isn't the genius but his collective assistants were.
I really thought that he was going to be "THE" coach that brought the team back to dominance.

That's a crazy take. What is LaFleur doing with the Jets? McDaniel is still on the team btw and is technically the "OC" although I don't know why he even has that title.

Saleh was Shanahan's 3rd DC choice. He was terrible his first 2 seasons here - just dig up the Saleh thread everyone wanted him gone. Suddenly we added Bosa, Ford, Kwon and a few others and he's the man.

Now we do know Saleh was a really good leader and highly hyped up...without leaders on this defense Bosa is very quit, I feel like Fred is fairly reserved as well there's not much fire there. That's where Jim Harbaugh was great. Dude could get you to run through a wall. That's where I wish Kyle would get more upset. Not this doghouse sh*t(although it seemed to have woken up Aiyuk)

But back to the bold comment...Kyle is still one of the top offensive masterminds in the game. That's not a question. Where he's taken a step back this year is he's playcalling like he doesn't trust his players and while I can understand that...he's the one basically getting these players. Like why the hell did we draft Banks, Sermon, Thomas, Lenoir if we're not going to play them?

All I'm saying is that since he took over as a head coach and the more offensive assistants he's lost, the worse the offense has gotten. I did say maybe they were geniuses which was facetious but doesn't play well in a forum. But maybe collectively they were able to scheme better and now that they only have McDaniel and Kyle's busy trying to run the whole team, personnel and offense too it's showing to be lacking. Somethings missing from the offense Where's all the creativity everyone raved about years prior? Have defenses just caught up?

Originally posted by jcs:
The Jags could probably beat this team too.

and they will LOL

glad I'll be travelling that day and won't have to see the carnage.

Originally posted by Baldie:
Regardless of the D, this team is officially out of the playoff race. Shanny needs to think about starting Lance going forward if he wants to keep his job after next season. Lance is the key here.

Lance is not the key, put lance out there and we struggle even more. Jimmy has his faults, but imo he is a top 10/12 qb in this league, and yesterday was not jimmy fault at all, besides a couple of high throws, which he always seeems to do

Originally posted by NINERFORLIFE12:

Originally posted by Baldie:
Regardless of the D, this team is officially out of the playoff race. Shanny needs to think about starting Lance going forward if he wants to keep his job after next season. Lance is the key here.

Lance is not the key, put lance out there and we struggle even more. Jimmy has his faults, but imo he is a top 10/12 qb in this league, and yesterday was not jimmy fault at all, besides a couple of high throws, which he always seeems to do

Jimmy was far from the most overpaid guy on the field yesterday. I think its time Warner starts taking more heat. He's being paid to be a top ILB in this league, not a barely average one. He was below average yesterday. For the season he now has ZERO forced fumbles, sacks, or interceptions. That could be ok if your at least making tackles. He completely washed himself out of that long screen TD overrunning the play like some rookie PS call up. I remember watching that and thinking he isn't even trying.

Coaching & GM, we gave some team a top 3-5 first round draft pick.

Maybe even two top 3-5 first round draft picks.

Do people even watch the games? I agree that coaching is an issue but to state that it takes us "a long" time to get going shows how you've completely ignored the Seattle game and the Indy game where we started off on fire and then got destroyed later. There's no "one answer" to our struggles.

Our problem seems to be we cannot put 4 quarters of good football together. We do not play complimentary football either (ie win TOP, win the field position game, force a stop when the offense is hot). Our defense cannot create TOs (some of that is random luck, some is lack of playmakers) and we have a propensity to make mental mistakes on offense (INTs from Jimmy, fumbles yesterday).

But I agree that we aren't coached well, especially defensively, and aren't talented enough to overcome it.