After this week, I truly believe coaching is the problem.

I'm thinking Kyle doesn't listen to anyone.

I feel he is so head-strong he can't adapt.

Hope I'm wrong.

Originally posted by Niners418:
The biggest issue is our front office decision making and terrible drafting track record.

Agreed, approaching Baalke-esque.

So, if Kyle is in charge of the 45, then it is his decision to inactivate most of the 2021 draft class right? At the end of the day, I think both of them get another shot next year. If Lance looks great and they make the playoffs (or even a winning season with a solid chance for a wild card imo) then they're golden. If Lance looks bad and another losing season, then the fires under their chairs are hot.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I agree but am confused as to why there is such a loud vocal minority that puts talent selection and acquisition on GM Lynch. We were told that Lynch is in charge of the 90 and Kyle is in charge of the final 45. Well, that means that kyle is the one making the final decisions on trades, draft picks, FAs, and Re-signings. Why does Lynch seemingly always end up being the bad guy when it is kyle with the final say? As JCool notes above, FO making decisions are Kyle's decisions for the 45, not JL. What is so hard to understand about that?

And , like Mike Holmgren , when he went to SEA as both HC and GM, he coached great but drafted, FAed and traded horribly. The GM ship was taken away from him to concentrate on HCing. The same should happen here and by rights, we are losing good yrs of some great players here, so it seems time to remove Kyle as the final word on talent acquisition

and if there is ANY instance where paraag is involved in talent selection, that has to stop also. He is great on contracts but should be completely out of the loop on talent evaluation and choice, whether draft, FA or trades….also re-signings, as in the Buck fiasco. Does "well we could save about $4 mil/yr if we traded DeFo and drafted a starter DL. (Kinlaw). " Does that sound like kyle or JL…or an accountant.? But still, the sooner kyle is relieved of his talent acquisition final say, the better and more time him to work on HC, OCing , DCing and STing. Plenty of work for kyle there.

Solid post man!

Hopefully Kyle admits that while he wants a say in player acquisition he certainly hasn't done well and simply needs to concentrate more on coaching/game management. He needs t let John and Adam take it over. If he doesnt trust them whats the point.

Paraag may or may not be the problem, but only Lynch and Peters could reveal that.

Originally posted by Method:
Kyle is not a good head coach. 1 playoff year out of 5 years is unacceptable. Fire him.

I love this.

Who are you replacing him with?

Fans love to fire/cut people but rarely have a solution in mind. At least one that makes sense.

Originally posted by Howlett49:
J Router your posting skills are about as bad as Shanny's coaching skills right now

No see I don`t get paid for my posting skills Kyle get paid for coaching right

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
I'm thinking Kyle doesn't listen to anyone.

I feel he is so head-strong he can't adapt.

Hope I'm wrong.

Yep He is his own worst EGO

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Hopefully Kyle admits that while he wants a say in player acquisition he certainly hasn't done well and simply needs to concentrate more on coaching/game management. He needs t let John and Adam take it over. If he doesnt trust them whats the point.

Paraag may or may not be the problem, but only Lynch and Peters could reveal that.

the fact that we do so much better in late rounds vs. early rounds make me think shanahan is heavily involved on the high picks and lets John, Adam and the scouts work the rest of the draft. It seems that John is a v good manager in the sense of being the link between Adam and the scouts, coming to a consensus on where to go with those picks.

If shanahan really does control the early part of the draft, I'd really like to see this front office group that has been absolutely nailing the late round picks run the early rounds as well

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by NC49er:

Originally posted by derrickt:
Can't blame coaches for the fumbles today.

You can preach and stress ball security, especially after the first fumble. I never see KS jumping on guys to step it up. The most discipline I've seen during a game is him benching Norman,which was the right move.

The only other discipline we see is doghouse discipline,that from the outside at least, has no rhyme or reason.

That`s Kyle ego putting Wideouts in his personal doghouse just because they not playing the way he thinks they should BASED on him being a scrub wideout in college played or lack of playing

That seemed like that was the case early this year...but when you have Aiyuk actually owning up to him half assing it in practice and saying it clicked for him after talking it through with Kyle and it looks like he's well on his way to earning those reps again. Then you have Pettis admitting that he wasn't showing enough in practice and had to grow up a bit with the Giants.

Then maybe there is something to it?

My biggest question is if Kyle is in charge of getting the groceries for this team then why do we keep adding guys who struggle to practice properly and somehow need to be put in the doghouse? Cuz if Aiyuk is a success story(still remains to be seen) and Pettis is a fail. That's not a great process to invest high picks on guys you have to "test" with tough love.

Most were surprised by the Aaron Banks pick because he didn't seem to fit the scheme but Kyle obviously drafted him. Now he's inactive almost every game. Sermon trade up...he's back inactive. Thomas and Lenoir not playing.

I'm not calling these guys a bust or anything like that but clearly the team isn't the 2019 version and it's not like we can't use help. Why did we take these guys so high when they're not even ready to play?

Originally posted by MarkD:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by dwy621:
No clue why he didn't go for 2 to make it a 2 score game. Shanahan needs to get his head in the game.

That is an example of his primary problem - game management.

What has a better outcome/higher chance of success after scoring 3 touchdowns?
1) Scoring 3 two point conversations
2) Going down the field est 40-50 yard and kicking FG

First of all you go fo 2 until you miss. Once you miss then a FG is still necessary.

Originally posted by IGSXIII:

Originally posted by Redandgoldsf:
Fangio is for sure getting canned after this season. Maybe he wants to come back and be our DC again next year

Yes please!

so we're going back to 3-4?

Originally posted by mtl_49er:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Hopefully Kyle admits that while he wants a say in player acquisition he certainly hasn't done well and simply needs to concentrate more on coaching/game management. He needs t let John and Adam take it over. If he doesnt trust them whats the point.

Paraag may or may not be the problem, but only Lynch and Peters could reveal that.

the fact that we do so much better in late rounds vs. early rounds make me think shanahan is heavily involved on the high picks and lets John, Adam and the scouts work the rest of the draft. It seems that John is a v good manager in the sense of being the link between Adam and the scouts, coming to a consensus on where to go with those picks.

If shanahan really does control the early part of the draft, I'd really like to see this front office group that has been absolutely nailing the late round picks run the early rounds as well

Like I say to anyone who thinks Kyle Shanahan doesn't call ALL the shots on who we draft look no further than the Joe Williams pick.

After two days of the 2017 draft, running back Joe Williams was not even on the 49ers' draft board.
But through the persistence of coach Kyle Shanahan and running backs coach Bobby Turner, 49ers general manager John Lynch reconsidered.

When a player is off your draft board and you still draft him cuz your HC wants him...then you know he's got all the power.

Clearly the only way York could get someone like Shahan here at the time was to give him all that control. It's time to Kyle to realize maybe he should hand off some of that power and let proper scouts dictate who we add to the team. Whether that happens or not remains to be seen.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:
Without a 1st round pick for the next two years, it will be hard to fill the glaring needs on the OL and in the secondary.

We have blown virtually every first round pick we have made during this regime's tenure.

I hate it when you are right.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Method:
Kyle is not a good head coach. 1 playoff year out of 5 years is unacceptable. Fire him.

I love this.

Who are you replacing him with?

Fans love to fire/cut people but rarely have a solution in mind. At least one that makes sense.

Who cares who we replace him with. We'll fire him too

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Method:
Kyle is not a good head coach. 1 playoff year out of 5 years is unacceptable. Fire him.

I love this.

Who are you replacing him with?

Fans love to fire/cut people but rarely have a solution in mind. At least one that makes sense.

Beloved former QB coach Ryan Day! Get it done Jed!