Solutions - How do the 49ers get out of this mess?

oir defemse needs immediate db coaching support. We need to start showing early down looks with our line backers into the line. We look like porridge now before the snap.

Draft CB/S. The mantra for building this defense has been all about the DL, and while Bosa does need a running mate, it's time to find some balance at all levels of the defense. This division has some stud WRs so it is completely justified to find a CB that can hold his own. New blood at S is needed. SF needs speed on defense.

Many great QBs start off as game managers as they build themselves up to being stars. That's a good recipe to build up Lance. Fix the right side of the OL. Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle is good enough - Brunskill, Mack, McG is not. Hopefully this is done using free agents to get in some proven contributors that can play immediately. Give Lance a good running game and protection.

Play better.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
oir defemse needs immediate db coaching support. We need to start showing early down looks with our line backers into the line. We look like porridge now before the snap.

I feel like they are going about building the defense like it's 2000. You need corners these days. With these spread offenses, QBs get rid of the ball too fast for you to only poor resources into the defensive line.

Originally posted by thl408:
Draft CB/S. The mantra for building this defense has been all about the DL, and while Bosa does need a running mate, it's time to find some balance at all levels of the defense. This division has some stud WRs so it is completely justified to find a CB that can hold his own. New blood at S is needed. SF needs speed on defense.

Many great QBs start off as game managers as they build themselves up to being stars. That's a good recipe to build up Lance. Fix the right side of the OL. Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle is good enough - Brunskill, Mack, McG is not. Hopefully this is done using free agents to get in some proven contributors that can play immediately. Give Lance a good running game and protection.

Play better.

With Jimmy G's contact gone next season. Do we have enough cap space to resign Deebo and Bosa and add a veteran corner? I'd assume not.

If we don't… I fully agree we need to take a chance on corners early. This team hasn't drafted a good corner since I was born.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
With Jimmy G's contact gone next season. Do we have enough cap space to resign Deebo and Bosa and add a veteran corner? I'd assume not.

If we don't… I fully agree we need to take a chance on corners early. This team hasn't drafted a good corner since I was born.

Lol you don't know it yet but we got two on roster already that we just drafted

Originally posted by Waterbear:
With Jimmy G's contact gone next season. Do we have enough cap space to resign Deebo and Bosa and add a veteran corner? I'd assume not.

If we don't… I fully agree we need to take a chance on corners early. This team hasn't drafted a good corner since I was born.

We would have enough. Ford's going to get dropped as well. Deebo won't be crazy expensive. Bosa going to likely get his money but there should be plenty left.

You could drop warner too for picks if he continues to play average and eat up a ton of money.bthere really isn't that big a drop off with Greenlaw and Al sharier

Originally posted by thl408:
Play better.

Fixed

There is a lot of blame going around towards Shanahan. Lynch, Paraag...etc. etc., but it's hard to pinpoint as to whom made specific decisions when it comes to personnel. Absolutely no way I can say any of them should go/move to another role. I still believe Shanahan is the best option for HC now, and he should see into next year with Lance at QB. I also have no problem with most of the coaching staff, so I'm not into massive changes there, but there is another side.....I have questioned if Shanahan actually WANTS to be the HC in San Francisco, because something does seem off. He really looks either fully defeated or he seems checked out sometimes. Maybe I'm seeing more than what is there....

Now....the injuries. The league in general is terrible when it comes to lost games due to injuries, but SF has had it extra bad for a couple of years. It's absolutely ridiculous to be on your 4th or 5th RB by week 2 or see half the defense on IR and whatnot. They simply cannot roll the dice on players with injury history in college and in free agency without a sound contingency plan. It's even more critical when it's a major positon, like QB or CB. Perhaps there is also a problem with the NIners strength and conditioning unit which further leads to so many lost games. It's an area where this team needs to do a 180.

As to personnel..... there is a serious problem when several draft picks amongst the first 3 rounds this past year aren't even seeing the field, and I'm not talking about QB. I think they gotta get a true bookend to Bosa, shore up the secondary and OL.

Mathematically still alive, I think it's all but over realistically, and it wouldn't surprise me if the Rams roll SF into the dirt Monday Night. If that's another loss, I think Shanahan needs to put Lance in and get him exposed to the NFL. Set him up for some success to end this year and prepare to unleash him next year. I appreciate what Garoppolo has given the team, but everybody knows he's on borrowed time. Same goes for the guys drafted who have seen limited action.....might as well see them when the real bullets are flying to give some sort of evaluation.

One thing that is missing IMO, is leadership. When the team had Buckner, Joe Staley, Richard Sherman.....they had loud voices in the lockerroom. Who are those guys now? Hard to ask someone to be a leader when it doesn't come natural, but it would be nice to hear that someone like Warner is taking on that roll.

Originally posted by thl408:
Draft CB/S. The mantra for building this defense has been all about the DL, and while Bosa does need a running mate, it's time to find some balance at all levels of the defense. This division has some stud WRs so it is completely justified to find a CB that can hold his own. New blood at S is needed. SF needs speed on defense.

Many great QBs start off as game managers as they build themselves up to being stars. That's a good recipe to build up Lance. Fix the right side of the OL. Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle is good enough - Brunskill, Mack, McG is not. Hopefully this is done using free agents to get in some proven contributors that can play immediately. Give Lance a good running game and protection.

Play better.

I'm wondering if the Rams may be onto something with their strategy regarding draft picks. Not that we should trade all of them away, but by trading picks for proven vets, they eliminate the gamble that John Lynch is pretty bad at. And we definitely need some veteran presence on the team.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
There is a lot of blame going around towards Shanahan. Lynch, Paraag...etc. etc., but it's hard to pinpoint as to whom made specific decisions when it comes to personnel. Absolutely no way I can say any of them should go/move to another role. I still believe Shanahan is the best option for HC now, and he should see into next year with Lance at QB. I also have no problem with most of the coaching staff, so I'm not into massive changes there, but there is another side.....I have questioned if Shanahan actually WANTS to be the HC in San Francisco, because something does seem off. He really looks either fully defeated or he seems checked out sometimes. Maybe I'm seeing more than what is there....

Now....the injuries. The league in general is terrible when it comes to lost games due to injuries, but SF has had it extra bad for a couple of years. It's absolutely ridiculous to be on your 4th or 5th RB by week 2 or see half the defense on IR and whatnot. They simply cannot roll the dice on players with injury history in college and in free agency without a sound contingency plan. It's even more critical when it's a major positon, like QB or CB. Perhaps there is also a problem with the NIners strength and conditioning unit which further leads to so many lost games. It's an area where this team needs to do a 180.

As to personnel..... there is a serious problem when several draft picks amongst the first 3 rounds this past year aren't even seeing the field, and I'm not talking about QB. I think they gotta get a true bookend to Bosa, shore up the secondary and OL.

Mathematically still alive, I think it's all but over realistically, and it wouldn't surprise me if the Rams roll SF into the dirt Monday Night. If that's another loss, I think Shanahan needs to put Lance in and get him exposed to the NFL. Set him up for some success to end this year and prepare to unleash him next year. I appreciate what Garoppolo has given the team, but everybody knows he's on borrowed time. Same goes for the guys drafted who have seen limited action.....might as well see them when the real bullets are flying to give some sort of evaluation.

One thing that is missing IMO, is leadership. When the team had Buckner, Joe Staley, Richard Sherman.....they had loud voices in the lockerroom. Who are those guys now? Hard to ask someone to be a leader when it doesn't come natural, but it would be nice to hear that someone like Warner is taking on that roll.

I do not see how it could be anyone other than paraag honestly. It lines up perfectly within a couple years after he first took the head of operations job and the players who he didn't get a say on (singletery era) started to leave during the harbaugh era we got worse and worse as far as injuries go.

We have had multiple gms and head coaches since then and changed the coaching and player health staff multiple times.

Paraag is the consistent piece that has always been there since we started to be one of the most injured teams in the league.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
I do not see how it could be anyone other than paraag honestly. It lines up perfectly within a couple years after he first took the head of operations job and the players who he didn't get a say on (singletery era) started to leave during the harbaugh era we got worse and worse as far as injuries go.

We have had multiple gms and head coaches since then and changed the coaching and player health staff multiple times.

Paraag is the consistent piece that has always been there since we started to be one of the most injured teams in the league.

I find it a bit hard to believe this scenario, given that Jed basically gave Kyle (and John) the keys to the franchise with 6 year deals....but it came under the condition that the contract man was the one in charge of player personnel? I know he was, along with York and some other analytics guy - forget his name - that were the architects that tried to deconstruct this team and send the franchise over the cliff, but now he's basically the salary cap guy under Shanahan and Lynch.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
I do not see how it could be anyone other than paraag honestly. It lines up perfectly within a couple years after he first took the head of operations job and the players who he didn't get a say on (singletery era) started to leave during the harbaugh era we got worse and worse as far as injuries go.

We have had multiple gms and head coaches since then and changed the coaching and player health staff multiple times.

Paraag is the consistent piece that has always been there since we started to be one of the most injured teams in the league.

I find it a bit hard to believe this scenario, given that Jed basically gave Kyle (and John) the keys to the franchise with 6 year deals....but it came under the condition that the contract man was the one in charge of player personnel? I know he was, along with York and some other analytics guy - forget his name - that were the architects that tried to deconstruct this team and send the franchise over the cliff, but now he's basically the salary cap guy under Shanahan and Lynch.

The draft is a crap shoot - it's not fair to pin the failure of our recent drafts on one person or department.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
I do not see how it could be anyone other than paraag honestly. It lines up perfectly within a couple years after he first took the head of operations job and the players who he didn't get a say on (singletery era) started to leave during the harbaugh era we got worse and worse as far as injuries go.

We have had multiple gms and head coaches since then and changed the coaching and player health staff multiple times.

Paraag is the consistent piece that has always been there since we started to be one of the most injured teams in the league.

I find it a bit hard to believe this scenario, given that Jed basically gave Kyle (and John) the keys to the franchise with 6 year deals....but it came under the condition that the contract man was the one in charge of player personnel? I know he was, along with York and some other analytics guy - forget his name - that were the architects that tried to deconstruct this team and send the franchise over the cliff, but now he's basically the salary cap guy under Shanahan and Lynch.

The draft is a crap shoot - it's not fair to pin the failure of our recent drafts on one person or department.

I still believe in the Kyle and John team. But they do have to make better personnel decisions. The Trey Lance pick will hurt the next future drafts because of the missing first round picks, but they have had success in the later rounds -- but these injuries are ridiculous. Fix that, and I think you fix 80% of the problems on this team.

I'm with the guys that are suggesting a wholesale change in personnel with regards to injury prone players. Go into the draft and free agency looking for players with less or no injury history at all as a primary criteria vs talent. I feel they just need to get back to even with regards to this ridiculous injury situation they have, instead of having half your starters out due to injury the whole season.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
I do not see how it could be anyone other than paraag honestly. It lines up perfectly within a couple years after he first took the head of operations job and the players who he didn't get a say on (singletery era) started to leave during the harbaugh era we got worse and worse as far as injuries go.

We have had multiple gms and head coaches since then and changed the coaching and player health staff multiple times.

Paraag is the consistent piece that has always been there since we started to be one of the most injured teams in the league.

I find it a bit hard to believe this scenario, given that Jed basically gave Kyle (and John) the keys to the franchise with 6 year deals....but it came under the condition that the contract man was the one in charge of player personnel? I know he was, along with York and some other analytics guy - forget his name - that were the architects that tried to deconstruct this team and send the franchise over the cliff, but now he's basically the salary cap guy under Shanahan and Lynch.

The draft is a crap shoot - it's not fair to pin the failure of our recent drafts on one person or department.

You know who doesn't have the problem? The Rams. Because they got it right: draft picks are risks, proven players are not.

The thing is, we draft well in the later rounds. The CHEAPER guys, the guys you fill a roster with. We should have been doing what the Rams (and Seahawks) have been doing all along: trading those first round picks for proven players, and filling out the roster with quality later round picks and scrappy free agents.

Originally posted by thl408:
Draft CB/S. The mantra for building this defense has been all about the DL, and while Bosa does need a running mate, it's time to find some balance at all levels of the defense. This division has some stud WRs so it is completely justified to find a CB that can hold his own. New blood at S is needed. SF needs speed on defense.

Many great QBs start off as game managers as they build themselves up to being stars. That's a good recipe to build up Lance. Fix the right side of the OL. Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle is good enough - Brunskill, Mack, McG is not. Hopefully this is done using free agents to get in some proven contributors that can play immediately. Give Lance a good running game and protection.

Play better.

If you really want to break your heart, tune in CBS for Browns/PATs game and watch Mack Jones put on a clinic and look like a top 5 QB.