Solutions - How do the 49ers get out of this mess?

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by TTown9ers:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Serious question: If Kyle is putting rookies in the doghouse and barely using them, wouldn't it make sense to believe that these are all Lynch picks? I mean, technically Lynch is the GM so why would we assume he's not picking?

Everyone seems to be thinking otherwise, which makes less sense, because if these rookies truly are "Kyle picks" then shouldn't he be forcing these rookies to play?

Because that's the way they told everyone it was gonna be when they were hired.

Kyle is in charge of the roster. Lynch is a front man. That's it. I'm sure Lynch has some input but this is Kyle Shanahan's baby.

They really said that during the press conference?! I don't believe it.

If this is true, then Kyle is a genuine idiot.

Edit: And "being in charge of the roster" can mean different things. Like maybe Kyle has the final say on the 53 players, and nothing about the actual picks.

Have you not been listening to Lynch at all? He defers to Kyle 100%!

We get out of this mess by hiring/reshuffling with a whole new brain trust (FO). the way the team comes out flat, it looks like the current regime has lost the players respect. Deservedly so. Kyle's going to have to grow up and mature. He's had four years; he's just as bad. Worse. Not happening.
The organization needs intelligence, maturity, knowledge at the GM position. It's going to be difficult to find someone and then getting him to sign on may be a problem.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
There is no quick fix. Mainly, get younger and healthier. Love on from vets like Ward, Tart, Verret, Mostert, Jimmy etc. Don't touch guys with extensive injury histories.
I would say bottom out but that's impossible with no first round picks. Plus this team will still have cornerstones in Bosa, Warner, Kittle, and Deebo….although, if we had our 1sts in 22 I'd move Trent and Kittle in the off-season.
The biggest problem in my eyes is they used up draft capital to acquire Lance. The consolidation of assets for a franchise qb is a great move, I just think they took the absolute wrong guy.
Soooo if it was me and I had full autonomy, If strip it down, meaning trading Lance, Williams and Deebo and finding a whole new identity on offense. But, realistically, you just have to hope Lance is the real deal and you have to hit on at least 3 or 4 picks over the next two years for impact and others for depth. We have a lot of fringe nfl talent supplying depth right now.

What if you're 100% wrong and Lance is the guy? What's your plan then?

Build around him. Get receivers who have elite instincts on how to find defensive holes when the play breaks down, and Trey buys time with his feet, which will happen a lot. Get younger and more mobile on the o line. Those guys need to be able to reset and move after Trey evades the pocket as well.
Defensively, we need new starters at 1 d end, at least 1 linebacker, and 2 corners. I would like to get younger at safety as well but Tart and Ward are underrated simply because they don't stack stats. They are safety nets.

Can't be a safety net if you're hurt all the time.

We've blamed everyone in the organization for the downfall of this team. I don't think it's any single thing. When a team starts to go bad, it's almost always a combination of things that pile on top of each other. The one thing I know won't happen is replacing Jed. His family owns the team and I've heard nothing about them wanting to sell so Jed isn't going anywhere.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
We've blamed everyone in the organization for the downfall of this team. I don't think it's any single thing. When a team starts to go bad, it's almost always a combination of things that pile on top of each other. The one thing I know won't happen is replacing Jed. His family owns the team and I've heard nothing about them wanting to sell so Jed isn't going anywhere.

This is true, but it's hard to deny the whiff after whiff after whiff in drafts and free agent signings.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Sell everybody for draft picks but deebo, ayuik, and Trey
Warner- overrated worth a first or second

Bosa- good player but not worth the 20+million he will ask for when his contracts up by the time we are relevant again. Worth 2 firsts

Williams- good player has value even though he is old. Worth a first

Kittle- breaking down more and more each year and value is up. Worth a first

Armstead- overrated not worth the money he's paid

Miglintchey- okay but he should be traded because brunskill can play natu ally at that spot and almost to the same level

Jimmy- cut because he's not the future or trade for 6 or 7 to like the saints.

Honestly there's ammunition right there to reload and we would have a ton of cap space also. We just have no balls to do it.

This excludes the basics like cut ford, Hurd, sermon etc..

Way to gut all leadership (Kittle, Bosa) from the team and destroy the locker room. No, this goes way too far.

I'm not sure how the 49ers get out of this… but I know how I will.

Drugs. Copious amounts of drugs.

This one is easy.

We begin by starting JG the rest of the way and winning games. This results in a 10-7 finish and the #7 seed. Our reward is a trip to Tampa Bay for a showdown with Brady & Sherm. We lose when Sherm tips the ball away in the endzone on the game's final play.

In the offseason we trade JG to Pittsburgh for their second round pick.

In 2022, Trey starts and sets the NFL record for most designed runs by a QB in a season. Lenoir and Thomas start and give us a strong secondary. Kinlaw returns for a couple games before landing on IR. Aiyuk gets on Deebo's level, effectively giving us two #1 WRs. We fight our way to the Super Bowl versus the Steelers and JG.

For this season:
1) Start Lance after Rams game (though if we somehow win, this won't happen)
2) Bench Norman and give Demo/Thomas the starting CB to see if they are capable and get them valuable experience
3) Start Moore at RT for the rest of the year (McGlinchey is done for year and possible career, do whatever you can to decrease his cap hit next year and please do not resign/extend/etc)
4) Play Sermon more and mix him up with Mitchell at least for first two downs. Make Wilson third down pack. Hasty has looked bad after coming back from injury and should be inactive.

Off season:
1) Aaron Banks should be starting at RG
2) Draft/Sign FA to address Center/DB
3) Fire under-performing staff/coaching and hire with competent experienced staff (100% includes entire Strength/Conditioning/Training Staff)
4) Resign Bosa
5) Cut Hurd first day of training camp if he isn't ready to go and make sure to sign/draft a competent 3rd WR option

Problem #1, this team barely hits the check-down when a blitz is coming.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Sell everybody for draft picks but deebo, ayuik, and Trey
Warner- overrated worth a first or second

Bosa- good player but not worth the 20+million he will ask for when his contracts up by the time we are relevant again. Worth 2 firsts

Williams- good player has value even though he is old. Worth a first

Kittle- breaking down more and more each year and value is up. Worth a first

Armstead- overrated not worth the money he's paid

Miglintchey- okay but he should be traded because brunskill can play natu ally at that spot and almost to the same level

Jimmy- cut because he's not the future or trade for 6 or 7 to like the saints.

Honestly there's ammunition right there to reload and we would have a ton of cap space also. We just have no balls to do it.

This excludes the basics like cut ford, Hurd, sermon etc..

Way to gut all leadership (Kittle, Bosa) from the team and destroy the locker room. No, this goes way too far.

lol and what is his great plan for all the gaping holes on the team. No LT too.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
This one is easy.

We begin by starting JG the rest of the way and winning games. This results in a 10-7 finish and the #7 seed. Our reward is a trip to Tampa Bay for a showdown with Brady & Sherm. We lose when Sherm tips the ball away in the endzone on the game's final play.

In the offseason we trade JG to Pittsburgh for their second round pick.

In 2022, Trey starts and sets the NFL record for most designed runs by a QB in a season. Lenoir and Thomas start and give us a strong secondary. Kinlaw returns for a couple games before landing on IR. Aiyuk gets on Deebo's level, effectively giving us two #1 WRs. We fight our way to the Super Bowl versus the Steelers and JG.

Jimmy is starting and we're losing. What if we continue to lose with Jimmy starting? What's your plan then? Would you prefer, in that case, to start Lance to begin his development (say, after our 8th loss)? Because in that scenario, we're not getting any draft picks for Jimmy, most likely, and we're also likely out of the playoffs.

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
For this season:
1) Start Lance after Rams game (though if we somehow win, this won't happen)
2) Bench Norman and give Demo/Thomas the starting CB to see if they are capable and get them valuable experience
3) Start Moore at RT for the rest of the year (McGlinchey is done for year and possible career, do whatever you can to decrease his cap hit next year and please do not resign/extend/etc)
4) Play Sermon more and mix him up with Mitchell at least for first two downs. Make Wilson third down pack. Hasty has looked bad after coming back from injury and should be inactive.

Off season:
1) Aaron Banks should be starting at RG
2) Draft/Sign FA to address Center/DB
3) Fire under-performing staff/coaching and hire with competent experienced staff (100% includes entire Strength/Conditioning/Training Staff)
4) Resign Bosa
5) Cut Hurd first day of training camp if he isn't ready to go and make sure to sign/draft a competent 3rd WR option

I mostly agree with this with one caveat: if we beat the Rams with Jimmy starting, he should get another start. And it should continue as long as the team is winning. Same with Norman. If we keep winning, keep playing him.

And especially agree with Hurd. If he's not immediately ready to go, cut him. If he misses one practice, cut him.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
This one is easy.

We begin by starting JG the rest of the way and winning games. This results in a 10-7 finish and the #7 seed. Our reward is a trip to Tampa Bay for a showdown with Brady & Sherm. We lose when Sherm tips the ball away in the endzone on the game's final play.

In the offseason we trade JG to Pittsburgh for their second round pick.

In 2022, Trey starts and sets the NFL record for most designed runs by a QB in a season. Lenoir and Thomas start and give us a strong secondary. Kinlaw returns for a couple games before landing on IR. Aiyuk gets on Deebo's level, effectively giving us two #1 WRs. We fight our way to the Super Bowl versus the Steelers and JG.

Jimmy is starting and we're losing. What if we continue to lose with Jimmy starting? What's your plan then? Would you prefer, in that case, to start Lance to begin his development (say, after our 8th loss)? Because in that scenario, we're not getting any draft picks for Jimmy, most likely, and we're also likely out of the playoffs.

Good question mate. If JG is playing poorly and causing losses or if we are out of contention for a playoff spot I say we put Trey out there and see what happens.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Change ownership. End thread.

That's probably the only thing that will fix it but that's not happening cuz they making money. Just accept the fact this team will suck, it might have a good season every once in a while but nothing sustainable.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Change ownership. End thread.

That's probably the only thing that will fix it but that's not happening cuz they making money. Just accept the fact this team will suck, it might have a good season every once in a while but nothing sustainable.

Haven't you heard the word? You don't fire Owners.