Solutions - How do the 49ers get out of this mess?

Originally posted by hubbyt:
- Kyle is great at xs and os but doesnt seem good at the other aspects of being a head coach. Maybe send him to some coaches clinics or training if thats a thing, somewhere to pick other head coaches brains.
- Play Lance. Stop wasting everyones time playing Jimmy
- Play the young corners. Stop wasting everyones time playing Dre and Norman
- Replace Sanu. Whats his purpose?
- Find a good pass rusher to play opposite Bosa. *Offseason task.*
- Start Aaron Banks. Sink or swim big fella. Brunskill aint the answer
- Cut bait on Hurd, Ford, Compton, Tartt. *Offseason task*
- Fetch trade offers on Armstead *Offseason task*
- Use all available capital to bolster secondary, oline and pass rush. *Offseason task*

Im down on Shanny at the moment but dont like the idea of firing him just yet. Lets see a full year of Lance in his system first.

x2

**NOTE: I posted this in another thread, but it could apply here**

SF has 33 players under contract for 2022, including players with uncertain futures (Ford, Hurd, Skule). But for this exercise, let's assume 32 players make the team (Jimmy will be traded). Which means there are 21 roster spots available. Here's what they should do (I'm not including most PS players):

TRADE (1):
Jimmy G

DO NOT RE-SIGN (11):
Jason Verrett
Dontae Johnson
K'Waun Williams
Raheem Mostert
Trenton Canon
Jaquiski Tartt
Josh Norman
Dre Kirkpatrick
Mohamed Sanu
Tom Compton
Nate Sudfeld (PS candidate?)

RE-SIGN (10):
DJ Jones
Kevin Givens
Trent Sherfield
Davontae Harris
Jake Brendel
Jeff Wilson OR JaMycal Hasty
Arden Key OR Jordan Willis
Maurice Hurst OR Kentavius Street
Ross Dwelley OR Tanner Hudson
Azeez Al-Shaair OR Marcell Harris OR Flannigan Fowles

POSSIBLE CHEAP DEPTH (if some of the above are too expensive):
Darrion Daniels
Jauan Jennings
Tarvarious Moore
Daniel Brunskill

By re-signing 10 players, there are now 11 roster spots available. SF currently has 5 draft picks, with another 1 (at least) coming for Jimmy and another 1 (or 2) compensatory picks. So, let's say 7 picks. Five of them NEED to make the roster. Which leaves 6 FA signings.

Of the 11 available roster spots, here's the positional need breakdown, regardless of draft pick or FA:
QB: 1
RB: 1
WR: 1
G/T: 1
DT: 1
LB: 2
CB: 2
S: 2

What do you think?

Originally posted by Blake_Fever:
**NOTE: I posted this in another thread, but it could apply here**

SF has 33 players under contract for 2022, including players with uncertain futures (Ford, Hurd, Skule). But for this exercise, let's assume 32 players make the team (Jimmy will be traded). Which means there are 21 roster spots available. Here's what they should do (I'm not including most PS players):

TRADE (1):
Jimmy G

DO NOT RE-SIGN (11):
Jason Verrett
Dontae Johnson
K'Waun Williams
Raheem Mostert
Trenton Canon
Jaquiski Tartt
Josh Norman
Dre Kirkpatrick
Mohamed Sanu
Tom Compton
Nate Sudfeld (PS candidate?)

RE-SIGN (10):
DJ Jones
Kevin Givens
Trent Sherfield
Davontae Harris
Jake Brendel
Jeff Wilson OR JaMycal Hasty
Arden Key OR Jordan Willis
Maurice Hurst OR Kentavius Street
Ross Dwelley OR Tanner Hudson
Azeez Al-Shaair OR Marcell Harris OR Flannigan Fowles

POSSIBLE CHEAP DEPTH (if some of the above are too expensive):
Darrion Daniels
Jauan Jennings
Tarvarious Moore
Daniel Brunskill

By re-signing 10 players, there are now 11 roster spots available. SF currently has 5 draft picks, with another 1 (at least) coming for Jimmy and another 1 (or 2) compensatory picks. So, let's say 7 picks. Five of them NEED to make the roster. Which leaves 6 FA signings.

Of the 11 available roster spots, here's the positional need breakdown, regardless of draft pick or FA:
QB: 1
RB: 1
WR: 1
G/T: 1
DT: 1
LB: 2
CB: 2
S: 2

What do you think?

You keep verret on a 1 year vet minimum deal.

Win football games.

Draft better, invest in free agency more wisely and cross your fingers and hope that Trey Lance turns out to be everything that his biggest proponents believe he can be.

Outside of Bosa, Greenlaw, Warner and maybe a couple of other guys, they need to rebuild the defense pretty much from scratch. Invest heavily in the secondary and also find a high quality edge rusher to go opposite Bosa because Ford is done and Ebukam is barely a backup quality player.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Win football games.

This is what's it's all about folks. This post is the shining beacon of light that guides a team and a fan base forward. May God have mercy on the Rams on Monday Night because we most certainly will not.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Win football games.

They did that in 2019 except for the one that matters. To answer my question in the purest sense you are obviously correct but only in it's simplest and most uncomplicated poorly thought through way. My question is really "How do they win football games" now that we have seen what they have to offer in that department?
The problem now is that after WINNING all those games in 2019 we have a false reading on where the team should be.....until now. Any given sunday will not cut it here. We were sold every given sunday and now winning anything is met with a huge disclaimer.....for now.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
I mean you can let the new regime pick who they want to keep but the only arguments I see here are we should keep players because of leadership and because we need a left tackle?

There's ammunition there for the new regime to use.

Who is really a building block other than deebo, auyiuk and Lance?

Warner and Bosa for sure.

How good are kittle and Williams really going to be in 2 years?

Probably better than Lance and Aiyuk, who both kinda suck right now.

Originally posted by Blake_Fever:
**NOTE: I posted this in another thread, but it could apply here**

SF has 33 players under contract for 2022, including players with uncertain futures (Ford, Hurd, Skule). But for this exercise, let's assume 32 players make the team (Jimmy will be traded). Which means there are 21 roster spots available. Here's what they should do (I'm not including most PS players):

TRADE (1):
Jimmy G

DO NOT RE-SIGN (11):
Jason Verrett
Dontae Johnson
K'Waun Williams
Raheem Mostert
Trenton Canon
Jaquiski Tartt
Josh Norman
Dre Kirkpatrick
Mohamed Sanu
Tom Compton
Nate Sudfeld (PS candidate?)

RE-SIGN (10):
DJ Jones
Kevin Givens
Trent Sherfield
Davontae Harris
Jake Brendel
Jeff Wilson OR JaMycal Hasty
Arden Key OR Jordan Willis
Maurice Hurst OR Kentavius Street
Ross Dwelley OR Tanner Hudson
Azeez Al-Shaair OR Marcell Harris OR Flannigan Fowles

POSSIBLE CHEAP DEPTH (if some of the above are too expensive):
Darrion Daniels
Jauan Jennings
Tarvarious Moore
Daniel Brunskill

By re-signing 10 players, there are now 11 roster spots available. SF currently has 5 draft picks, with another 1 (at least) coming for Jimmy and another 1 (or 2) compensatory picks. So, let's say 7 picks. Five of them NEED to make the roster. Which leaves 6 FA signings.

Of the 11 available roster spots, here's the positional need breakdown, regardless of draft pick or FA:
QB: 1
RB: 1
WR: 1
G/T: 1
DT: 1
LB: 2
CB: 2
S: 2

What do you think?

Would think DE is more of an immediate need than DT. Ebukam should be cut for cap and none of the others have really done much to stand out.

Secondary needs a complete revamp, but we don't really know what we have in Lenoir and Ambry so not sure how much of a need. Same with Banks at G. We know it's a need but how much of a need?

I don't think RB will be a need.

With Greenlaw and Warner we just need solid contributors around them.

WR is like edge, can never have too many options, but I think Aiyuk will take a leap next year like Deebo did this year.

Win the turnover battle (won't win many games if you turn the ball over more than you create turnovers)
Meet with leadership on team to impose a structure that brings more discipline to the team (stupid penalties are killing us this year)
Shanahan needs to stop being these guys friends and be their HC first (hanging out with players in the offseason is fine but they need to know who is boss and fall in line)
Cut players that do not fall in line with the team concept and show the rest of the team you will not tolerate any dumb antics (see Josh Norman)
Practice harder = play harder and better at your job on Sundays (see the Patriots)

These are just a few things I think they can do right now.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by hubbyt:
- Kyle is great at xs and os but doesnt seem good at the other aspects of being a head coach. Maybe send him to some coaches clinics or training if thats a thing, somewhere to pick other head coaches brains.
- Play Lance. Stop wasting everyones time playing Jimmy
- Play the young corners. Stop wasting everyones time playing Dre and Norman
- Replace Sanu. Whats his purpose?
- Find a good pass rusher to play opposite Bosa. *Offseason task.*
- Start Aaron Banks. Sink or swim big fella. Brunskill aint the answer
- Cut bait on Hurd, Ford, Compton, Tartt. *Offseason task*
- Fetch trade offers on Armstead *Offseason task*
- Use all available capital to bolster secondary, oline and pass rush. *Offseason task*

Im down on Shanny at the moment but dont like the idea of firing him just yet. Lets see a full year of Lance in his system first.

x2

Agree with everything but your first point. I mean this dude literally grew up in a house with a successful, SB winning NFL coach. He spent time with Belichik the offseason after he lost the SB with the falcons. What more can he do. If he has not learned by now he might as well just be an OC and realize he is not meant to be a HC in the NFL.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
There is no quick fix. Mainly, get younger and healthier. Love on from vets like Ward, Tart, Verret, Mostert, Jimmy etc. Don't touch guys with extensive injury histories.
I would say bottom out but that's impossible with no first round picks. Plus this team will still have cornerstones in Bosa, Warner, Kittle, and Deebo….although, if we had our 1sts in 22 I'd move Trent and Kittle in the off-season.
The biggest problem in my eyes is they used up draft capital to acquire Lance. The consolidation of assets for a franchise qb is a great move, I just think they took the absolute wrong guy.
Soooo if it was me and I had full autonomy, If strip it down, meaning trading Lance, Williams and Deebo and finding a whole new identity on offense. But, realistically, you just have to hope Lance is the real deal and you have to hit on at least 3 or 4 picks over the next two years for impact and others for depth. We have a lot of fringe nfl talent supplying depth right now.

You think they took the wrong guy but haven's seen him play. Kyle should have taken the summer to develop the kid, not to cancel camp for two months. He is not capable of developing a QB, His claim to fame is throwing a football across the street into a pizza oven for which he posted a video. just check his coaching win-loss record. Horrible.

The good thing is with a QB on a rookie contract (whether or not he's good is entirely different topic), it gives the team options to improve the team with veteran talent to make up for the lack of draft capital.

The main thing is better player evaluation can salvage this. We have good cornerstones in Williams, Deebo, Kittle, Bosa, Warner, and whoever else you want to add. It's not like we're the Texans or Lions.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
We've been saying for years, "next year, with a healthy ________ this team looks really good".

McG has been bad at pass pro even when he's healthy and Lance isn't gonna fix that.

Brunskill has also been a turnstile and again,, Lance isn't gonna fix that.

Mack is getting long in the tooth and we have no development behind him..

Our young secondary can't beat out Dre Kirkpatrick.....

Mostert has never gone more than 8 games without getting hurt.

We have injury history and lackluster showing at the safety spot.

Our 1sr round DT to replace Buckner has chronic knee issues and just started ACL reconstruction and most likely won't be fully ready until NEXT November.

We have no 2nd DE and they've continues to rely on Ford who also can't go more than 4 games without injury.

Kittle has missed almost as much time as Jimmy.

I just don't believe we'll be all sparkly and fresh with Trey. If anything, I see the next 24 months as quite awful. It's really starting to suck being a 9er fan again......

Hard for me to see Kyle lasting beyond next November.

Wow seriously, jonnydel?

First and foremost, whatever was a big problem last year and especially this year, FIX IT (Oline / secondary).