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NOT THE ISSUE: ADDING ROOKIE TALENT
I've seen many say our drafts have been crap, and if you ONLY looked at the big whiffs in particular in a couple of our classes on early picks, you'd think "Good God, they suck at drafting..." But analyzing our hit rate versus other teams, ours is actually significantly better than I expected. I estimate we drafted contributors on at least 16/40 picks over the past 5 years (40% hit rate). Looking at our division foes, we have done significantly better than Seattle and LA (although they've gotten talent to stay competitive in other ways -- more on that later). The strange thing is just that the 49ers are somehow managing to do it very backwards, hitting on tons of late picks and UDFAs more than their picks in the first four rounds.

These are the ones I qualified as "hits" or "contributors" in my opinion:
OL Jaylon Moore (5th)
CB Deommodore Lenoir (5th)
S Talanoa Hufanga (5th)
RB Elijah Mitchell (6th)
WR Brandon Aiyuk (1st)
TE Charlie Woener (6th)
DE Nick Bosa (1st)
WR Deebo Samuel (2nd)
P Mitch Wishnowsky (4th)
LB Dre Greenlaw (5th)
TE Kaden Smith (6th) - Not with the team, but lost from PS to NYG where he's started.
OT Mike McGlinchey (1st)
LB Fred Warner (3rd)
S/LB Marcell Harris (6th)
TE George Kittle (5th)
DT DJ Jones (6th)

On average, we have added at least 1 Pro Bowler per year in the draft (Warner, Kittle, Bosa, and Samuel likely makes it this year if healthy)



THE REAL ISSUE: TALENT RETENTION & OVERALL RISK MANAGEMENT IN PERSONNEL DECISIONS
First off, plain and simple, we have not found a way to keep our best players/leaders here (Buckner and Sanders, for example). This problem has been compounded by the fact that the team has been absolutely horrific at managing their risk, relying on players with injury histories at STARTING POSITIONS, such as Jimmy G, Verrett, Ward, Tartt, Mostert, Ford, K'Waun Williams, Aziz Al-Shaair, DJ Jones, Jeff Wilson, and Kentavius Street. We know that these players can do some good while on the field, but we pay them too much to miss as many games as they have. This level of risk -- essentially fielding half or more than half of an entire side of the ball's starters -- seems absolutely insane to me. It's not like those guys I mentioned suddenly had a slew of injuries just recently. They've been known injury prone guys for years, some even dating back to college.


PROBLEM IDENTIFIED, SO WHAT'S THE ANSWER?: SIGNIFICANT ROSTER SHAKE-UP
The team absolutely must change its approach in 2022, and I'd like to see significant roster turnover and a fresh start with as many new faces replacing aging, injury prone players who are set to become UFAs in 2022. Below, the bold are the FAs I'd consider keeping for the right price.

49ERS 2022 FREE AGENTS
C Jake Brendel
CB Jason Verrett
CB K'Waun Williams

CB Josh Norman
CB Dre Kirkpatrick
CB Dontae Johnson
DE Arden Key
DE Jordan Willis
DT D.J. Jones
DT Maurice Hurst
DT Kentavius Street
DT Kevin Givens
LB Marcell Harris
LB Azeez Al-Shaair

LB Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles
LG Laken Tomlinson
RB Raheem Mostert
RB Jeff Wilson
RB Trenton Cannon
RB JaMycal Hasty
RG Tom Compton
RG Daniel Brunskill
S Jaquiski Tartt
S Tavon Wilson
S Tarvarius Moore
S Kai Nacua
TE Ross Dwelley
WR Mohamed Sanu
WR Travis Benjamin
WR Trent Sherfield
WR Jauan Jennings

WR Richie James


NON-FREE AGENTS THAT I'D CUT OR TRADE (IF POSSIBLE) WHOSE CAP IMPACT WOULD ALLOW IT
QB Jimmy Garoppolo - Obvious reasons, big contract and not the future
DE Samson Ebukam - Don't think he's fitting as well as they thought he would. Might be expendable with Omenihu joining us.
S Jimmie Ward - Post June 1st cut/trade
DE Dee Ford - Post June 1st cut


Summary/Bottom Line:
The 49ers have completely mismanaged their resources. They've passed too often on adding star talent via trades (but had no issues trading three 1sts and more for a raw rookie QB), and they've spent tons of money on players with injury histories, consistently finishing among league leaders in players on IR/salary cap percentage on IR. And even in the draft where they've actually done better than people think, they've spent resources on a lot more players with medical concerns than you'd like. The bottom line is that their philosophy needs to change. If you have a superstar that's a leader, KEEP THEM. Kittle, Warner, and Trent are good examples. They failed with Buck. So, quit with the "Moneyball" crap, and put more emphasis on toughness and reliability, which Buckner was a perfect model of. Otherwise, we're going to continue to see the majority of our starters stretchered off or carted off the field as we're yet again forced to field a pre-season style roster.
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Dec 25, 2021 at 8:55 PM ]
Thankyou OTC
Interesting how much is learnt in a season like this as compared to 2019. Lets hope the FO are sitting up and taking notes.
Injuries happen, the problem is that Kyle is soft on his team and they practice soft and get hurt on GameDay.
Exactly OTC. We have been extremely unlucky with injuries but our decisions to keep and pay these key players while not retaining (or finding a way to) great players like Buckner is what's killing us.

To rely on Verrett, possibly THE MOST INJURED player in the NFL as a cb1 knowing he will likely miss time was a horrendous decision. People forget, last year he missed the first 3 games and I was screaming for Hayward as a FA or Gillmore in a trade. Our FO majorly screwed the pooch and they are finally seeing this. As evidenced by our recent draft and Lynch said as much.

Going forward we have to be willing to trade draft picks for very good players like Gillmore and to spend money on durable proven players

I think most people would think this would be the biggest part of the problem. Those that cry about missing on high draft pick obviously don't know how a lot of teams do miss....While neglecting that we draft well OVREALL and are by among the best in the later rounds and especially UFA's.
[ Edited by elguapo on Nov 12, 2021 at 2:43 AM ]
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Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:
Thankyou OTC
Interesting how much is learnt in a season like this as compared to 2019. Lets hope the FO are sitting up and taking notes.

Everyone talks about the Rams picking up players, but when someone stops producing they cut them quick and hard.

They would have dropped Ford ages ago instead of holding on in the hope he comes right.

Guys like Ward, Tartt, Verrett have proven time and again that they're not reliable and yet we build our roster and secondary around the idea of them being available and reliable.

I'm hoping the Hurd cut is a sign of things to come. Fans are done with the constant injuries from the same players, the FO better be waking up to it to otherwise we'll be back in this spot again next season.
Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:
Thankyou OTC
Interesting how much is learnt in a season like this as compared to 2019. Lets hope the FO are sitting up and taking notes.

They're not. They're just gonna keep doing the same crap over and over again.
Originally posted by elguapo:
Exactly OTC. We have been extremely unlucky with injuries but our decisions to keep and pay these key players while not retaining (or finding a way to) great players like Buckner is what's killing us.

To rely on Verrett, possibly THE MOST INJURED player in the NFL as a cb1 knowing he will likely miss time was a horrendous decision. People forget, last year he missed the first 3 games and I was screaming for Hayward as a FA or Gillmore in a trade. Our FO majorly screwed the pooch and they are finally seeing this. As evidenced by our recent draft and Lynch said as much.

Going forward we have to be willing to trade draft picks for very good players like Gillmore and to spend money on durable proven players

I think most people would think this would be the biggest part of the problem. Those that cry about missing on high draft pick obviously don't know how a lot of teams do miss....While neglecting that we draft well OVREALL and are by among the best in the later rounds and especially UFA's.

The problem with the later round picks and UDFA's making up for crappy 1-4 rounds is those players are there for a reason and it's usually because of body makeup, injuries, super raw, etc.

And all those players can't stay healthy either from Mostert to Mitchell.
Is it even realistic to think that they can change their philosophy?
Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Is it even realistic to think that they can change their philosophy?

These are their own values:

The 49er Way:
Talent: Speed, Toughness/Physicality, Position Specific Athletic Traits & Scheme Fit
Spirit: Football Passion; Do they Love it?, Contagious Competitiveness, Dependability; Protect the Team, Mental Toughness, Football IQ & Accountability to other Players and Themselves
What is included in the Organizational mindset is dollars and cents. The team was competitive under Harbaugh but when the Stadium was built it dropped off a cliff. This has gone on since Eddie D left. The team made a big splash by hiring a Coach and GM. Coach Shanahan was a a first time head coach and Lynch was a first time GM. Maybe experience doesn't matter anymore.
That's a lot of words to say they're cursed.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
NOT THE ISSUE: ADDING ROOKIE TALENT
I've seen many say our drafts have been crap, and if you ONLY looked at the big whiffs in particular in a couple of our classes on early picks, you'd think "Good God, they suck at drafting..." But analyzing our hit rate versus other teams, ours is actually significantly better than I expected. I estimate we drafted contributors on at least 16/40 picks over the past 5 years (40% hit rate). Looking at our division foes, we have done significantly better than Seattle and LA (although they've gotten talent to stay competitive in other ways -- more on that later). The strange thing is just that the 49ers are somehow managing to do it very backwards, hitting on tons of late picks and UDFAs more than their picks in the first four rounds.

These are the ones I qualified as "hits" or "contributors" in my opinion:
OL Jaylon Moore (5th)
CB Deommodore Lenoir (5th)
S Talanoa Hufanga (5th)
RB Elijah Mitchell (6th)
WR Brandon Aiyuk (1st)
TE Charlie Woener (6th)
DE Nick Bosa (1st)
WR Deebo Samuel (2nd)
P Mitch Wishnowsky (4th)
LB Dre Greenlaw (5th)
TE Kaden Smith (6th) - Not with the team, but lost from PS to NYG where he's started.
OT Mike McGlinchey (1st)
LB Fred Warner (3rd)
S/LB Marcell Harris (6th)
TE George Kittle (5th)
DT DJ Jones (6th)

On average, we have added at least 1 Pro Bowler per year in the draft (Warner, Kittle, Bosa, and Samuel likely makes it this year if healthy)

THE REAL ISSUE: TALENT RETENTION & OVERALL RISK MANAGEMENT IN PERSONNEL DECISIONS
First off, plain and simple, we have not found a way to keep our best players/leaders here (Buckner and Sanders, for example). This problem has been compounded by the fact that the team has been absolutely horrific at managing their risk, relying on players with injury histories at STARTING POSITIONS, such as Jimmy G, Verrett, Ward, Tartt, Mostert, Ford, K'Waun Williams, Aziz Al-Shaair, DJ Jones, Jeff Wilson, and Kentavius Street. We know that these players can do some good while on the field, but we pay them too much to miss as many games as they have. This level of risk -- essentially fielding half or more than half of an entire side of the ball's starters -- seems absolutely insane to me. It's not like those guys I mentioned suddenly had a slew of injuries just recently. They've been known injury prone guys for years, some even dating back to college.

PROBLEM IDENTIFIED, SO WHAT'S THE ANSWER?: SIGNIFICANT ROSTER SHAKE-UP
The team absolutely must change its approach in 2022, and I'd like to see significant roster turnover and a fresh start with as many new faces replacing aging, injury prone players who are set to become UFAs in 2022. Below, the bold are the FAs I'd consider keeping for the right price.

49ERS 2022 FREE AGENTS
C Jake Brendel
CB Jason Verrett
CB K'Waun Williams
CB Josh Norman
CB Dre Kirkpatrick
CB Dontae Johnson
DE Arden Key
DE Jordan Willis
DT D.J. Jones
DT Maurice Hurst

DT Kentavius Street
DT Kevin Givens
LB Marcell Harris
LB Azeez Al-Shaair
LB Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles
LG Laken Tomlinson
RB Raheem Mostert
RB Jeff Wilson
RB Trenton Cannon
RB JaMycal Hasty
RG Tom Compton
RG Daniel Brunskill
S Jaquiski Tartt
S Tavon Wilson
S Tarvarius Moore
S Kai Nacua
TE Ross Dwelley
WR Mohamed Sanu
WR Travis Benjamin
WR Trent Sherfield
WR Jauan Jennings

WR Richie James


NON-FREE AGENTS THAT I'D CUT OR TRADE (IF POSSIBLE) WHOSE CAP IMPACT WOULD ALLOW IT
QB Jimmy Garoppolo - Obvious reasons, big contract and not the future
DE Samson Ebukam - Don't think he's fitting as well as they thought he would. Might be expendable with Omenihu joining us.
S Jimmie Ward - Post June 1st cut/trade
DE Dee Ford - Post June 1st cut

Summary/Bottom Line:
The 49ers have completely mismanaged their resources. They've passed too often on adding star talent via trades (but had no issues trading three 1sts and more for a raw rookie QB), and they've spent tons of money on players with injury histories, consistently finishing among league leaders in players on IR/salary cap percentage on IR. And even in the draft where they've actually done better than people think, they've spent resources on a lot more players with medical concerns than you'd like. The bottom line is that their philosophy needs to change. If you have a superstar that's a leader, KEEP THEM. Kittle, Warner, and Trent are good examples. They failed with Buck. So, quit with the "Moneyball" crap, and put more emphasis on toughness and reliability, which Buckner was a perfect model of. Otherwise, we're going to continue to see the majority of our starters stretchered off or carted off the field as we're yet again forced to field a pre-season style roster.

Why are we cutting our best player in the secondary?
Good analysts

Lynch or whomever takes his place needs to stop drafting or signing players with known injury histories. We have to stop outsmarting the groups of other doctors that have flagged these guys, and we have to stop thinking we can turn them around because we actually make them worse.
Some roster comparison observations between division teams.
superstar = elite player and not over the hill (aka JJ Watt, AJ Green; Von Miller barely made it) a

Lambs superstars (6)

Stafford
Kupp
OBJ
Donald
Miller
Ramsey

Cucks superstars (5)

Wilson
Metcalf
Lockett
Adams (lulz)
Wagner

Terds superstars (4)

Murray
Hopkins
Jones
Baker

49er superstars (5)

Kittle
Deebo
Warner
Bosa
Williams

Yes, the issue is clearly not enough role/complimentary (draft/FA suckage) players + horrible coaching and game planning and motivation :). Oh shiot and I forgot...QB :)
[ Edited by 49erminion on Nov 12, 2021 at 7:46 AM ]
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