49ers Biggest Problem is NOT What Many Think..

This is only going to change if Kyle relinquishes some of his personnel power.

Originally posted by FL9er:
This is only going to change if Kyle relinquishes some of his personnel power.

Who was the last HC that actually did this?

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by thl408:
I don't see how talent retention is the biggest problem. You mentioned Buckner and ESanders, but Buckner is the only real loss imo. They've retained big Trent, Kittle, Warner, Juice, four of the best at their positions. They were able to re-sign Verrett and KWaun Williams when it was thought those guys might leave. What young/middle aged players have they not been able to keep besides Buckner?

I agree. Also, I think OTC is being extremely generous with his list of hits/contributors. Marcell Harris is awful; Kaden Smith...really? ; Lenoir is a healthy scratch for many weeks now; Jaylon Moore has played 1 game--pump the brakes; Hufanga looked awful last week; Woerner has had 1 noticeable game in 2 years, and it's because he nailed a few blocks.

The 49ers have made 35 selections in the last 4 drafts. I count 9 good decisions they've made, and honestly, they shouldn't get credit for Nick Bosa but I'll give it to them. 9/35. That means about 75% of their draft picks are either not good or absolute failures. I don't get how drafting isn't a(the) main problem.

RB Elijah Mitchell (6th)
WR Brandon Aiyuk (1st)
DE Nick Bosa (1st)
WR Deebo Samuel (2nd)
P Mitch Wishnowsky (4th)
LB Dre Greenlaw (5th)
LB Fred Warner (3rd)
TE George Kittle (5th)
DT DJ Jones (6th)

And that's just talent. When you look into the number of snaps these guys have contributed since being acquired, it gets even darker. ROI is way in the red.

Our biggest problem right now is this division. You have like 4 SB contenders in one division. It's the famed "Group of Death".

What we know is as iron sharpens iron, so does one man sharpen another. Not sure what that means other than we are going to be pretty sharp after going through this season.

Imagine if we were in the NFC East we'd be like 5-3 at least. The QBs in our division it's unreal.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by thl408:
I don't see how talent retention is the biggest problem. You mentioned Buckner and ESanders, but Buckner is the only real loss imo. They've retained big Trent, Kittle, Warner, Juice, four of the best at their positions. They were able to re-sign Verrett and KWaun Williams when it was thought those guys might leave. What young/middle aged players have they not been able to keep besides Buckner?

I agree. Also, I think OTC is being extremely generous with his list of hits/contributors. Marcell Harris is awful; Kaden Smith...really? ; Lenoir is a healthy scratch for many weeks now; Jaylon Moore has played 1 game--pump the brakes; Hufanga looked awful last week; Woerner has had 1 noticeable game in 2 years, and it's because he nailed a few blocks.

The 49ers have made 35 selections in the last 4 drafts. I count 9 good decisions they've made, and honestly, they shouldn't get credit for Nick Bosa but I'll give it to them. 9/35. That means about 75% of their draft picks are either not good or absolute failures. I don't get how drafting isn't a(the) main problem.

RB Elijah Mitchell (6th)
WR Brandon Aiyuk (1st)
DE Nick Bosa (1st)
WR Deebo Samuel (2nd)
P Mitch Wishnowsky (4th)
LB Dre Greenlaw (5th)
LB Fred Warner (3rd)
TE George Kittle (5th)
DT DJ Jones (6th)

100% agreed. Had to bold all of this. Drafting is a major problem

Originally posted by genus49:
Why are we cutting our best player in the secondary?

I would bring Verrett back on a cheap deal. The problem is when you put all your eggs in the him staying healthy basket. You should have someone you would feel comfortable in starting either right behind him or beating him out.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:
Why are we cutting our best player in the secondary?

I would bring Verrett back on a cheap deal. The problem is when you put all your eggs in the him staying healthy basket. You should have someone you would feel comfortable in starting either right behind him or beating him out.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:
Why are we cutting our best player in the secondary?

I would bring Verrett back on a cheap deal. The problem is when you put all your eggs in the him staying healthy basket. You should have someone you would feel comfortable in starting either right behind him or beating him out.

I think he should definitely be brought back. but not as our number 1 or 2 CB. Just let him get healthy and see what he can do once he's back.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:
Why are we cutting our best player in the secondary?

I would bring Verrett back on a cheap deal. The problem is when you put all your eggs in the him staying healthy basket. You should have someone you would feel comfortable in starting either right behind him or beating him out.

I think he should definitely be brought back. but not as our number 1 or 2 CB. Just let him get healthy and see what he can do once he's back.

Yeah bring him back with the idea he's our #5 CB but he is CB1 when healthy

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by thl408:

I don't see how talent retention is the biggest problem. You mentioned Buckner and ESanders, but Buckner is the only real loss imo. They've retained big Trent, Kittle, Warner, Juice, four of the best at their positions. They were able to re-sign Verrett and KWaun Williams when it was thought those guys might leave. What young/middle aged players have they not been able to keep besides Buckner?

I agree. Also, I think OTC is being extremely generous with his list of hits/contributors. Marcell Harris is awful; Kaden Smith...really? ; Lenoir is a healthy scratch for many weeks now; Jaylon Moore has played 1 game--pump the brakes; Hufanga looked awful last week; Woerner has had 1 noticeable game in 2 years, and it's because he nailed a few blocks.

The 49ers have made 35 selections in the last 4 drafts. I count 9 good decisions they've made, and honestly, they shouldn't get credit for Nick Bosa but I'll give it to them. 9/35. That means about 75% of their draft picks are either not good or absolute failures. I don't get how drafting isn't a(the) main problem.

RB Elijah Mitchell (6th)
WR Brandon Aiyuk (1st)
DE Nick Bosa (1st)
WR Deebo Samuel (2nd)
P Mitch Wishnowsky (4th)
LB Dre Greenlaw (5th)
LB Fred Warner (3rd)
TE George Kittle (5th)
DT DJ Jones (6th)

And that's just talent. When you look into the number of snaps these guys have contributed since being acquired, it gets even darker. ROI is way in the red.

I'm also looking at it by where they were picked too. Some have produced par value, some have WAY overshot their draft slot, while our early picks have way underproduced. Overall, like I said, compared to other teams, we are not drafting significantly better or worse than much of the NFL, especially within our own division. Our drafting has been overall, mediocre, but not terrible.

Do I think we need to improve in that area? Absolutely. I just think our problems are way bigger than that. Like the title of the thread says, rookie talent isn't the BIGGEST problem, really it's our risk management -- our really you could say -- our PROCESS that sucks. Nothing else will improve until the overall philosophy changes.

Talent retention is not the problem. The problem is relying on injured/injury-prone players. Which excuses the FO from going after top free agents (as the team has good starters when healthy), but forces the FO to scramble for street FA signings due to the lack of available depth when the injury strikes (like the perennial injuries to Ford, Verrett, and Tartt).

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by thl408:
I don't see how talent retention is the biggest problem. You mentioned Buckner and ESanders, but Buckner is the only real loss imo. They've retained big Trent, Kittle, Warner, Juice, four of the best at their positions. They were able to re-sign Verrett and KWaun Williams when it was thought those guys might leave. What young/middle aged players have they not been able to keep besides Buckner?

I agree. Also, I think OTC is being extremely generous with his list of hits/contributors. Marcell Harris is awful; Kaden Smith...really? ; Lenoir is a healthy scratch for many weeks now; Jaylon Moore has played 1 game--pump the brakes; Hufanga looked awful last week; Woerner has had 1 noticeable game in 2 years, and it's because he nailed a few blocks.

The 49ers have made 35 selections in the last 4 drafts. I count 9 good decisions they've made, and honestly, they shouldn't get credit for Nick Bosa but I'll give it to them. 9/35. That means about 75% of their draft picks are either not good or absolute failures. I don't get how drafting isn't a(the) main problem.

RB Elijah Mitchell (6th)
WR Brandon Aiyuk (1st)
DE Nick Bosa (1st)
WR Deebo Samuel (2nd)
P Mitch Wishnowsky (4th)
LB Dre Greenlaw (5th)
LB Fred Warner (3rd)
TE George Kittle (5th)
DT DJ Jones (6th)

And that's just talent. When you look into the number of snaps these guys have contributed since being acquired, it gets even darker. ROI is way in the red.

I'm also looking at it by where they were picked too. Some have produced par value, some have WAY overshot their draft slot, while our early picks have way underproduced. Overall, like I said, compared to other teams, we are not drafting significantly better or worse than much of the NFL, especially within our own division. Our drafting has been overall, mediocre, but not terrible.

Do I think we need to improve in that area? Absolutely. I just think our problems are way bigger than that. Like the title of the thread says, rookie talent isn't the BIGGEST problem, really it's our risk management -- our really you could say -- our PROCESS that sucks. Nothing else will improve until the overall philosophy changes.

Definitely. I'm really glad you made the post because it gives us a chance to look at every aspect. I wanted to give you props for that...well thought out and I liked the angles.

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Injuries happen, the problem is that Kyle is soft on his team and they practice soft and get hurt on GameDay.

I've heard the opposite. They go toooo hard in practice and burn out and then get hurt during the season.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
When you're depending on 5th and 6th round talent to shore up the team lol

That's the biggest Issue. The early round picks build the foundation for future success. The team Is also soft from top to bottom.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:
Why are we cutting our best player in the secondary?

I would bring Verrett back on a cheap deal. The problem is when you put all your eggs in the him staying healthy basket. You should have someone you would feel comfortable in starting either right behind him or beating him out.

He is about the only injury prone player on this team i would ponder bringing back. the way this season has went and likely will continue going. very few jobs are safe. bosa. trent williams... trey.. deebo.. thats about it.. even fred warner has underwhelmed.