49ers Biggest Problem is NOT What Many Think..

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah it comes down to couple things (that OTC brought up) we gave the keys to two guys that had zero experience building a team. One was a freaking broadcaster.

Talent evaluation for the most part has been s**t. We got guys in here that have been on point more then them. I'd love to see their draft board, I'd probably lose it lol. They don't believe in BPA or impact of position when they draft. HC's shouldn't be in charge of everything...checks and balances are needed to make a team work, clearly SF has none. Kyle wants Joe Williams even though he's off their board. He gets him, same with Pettis, Hurd, CJ etc. I mean WTF are we doing here.

After the draft issues, it comes down to a lack of development or really just allowing your rookie to play, which is in fact developing. They're awful here. IF you're top 50 pick at RG can't beat out Brunskill, you've either totally whiffed on that pick or you won't allow him to develop. Don't give me the "it's pretty hard to beat out x player" crap when that player is f**king junk and we all see it. I feel like Kyle overall just hates rookies and playing them...he wants ready made guys BUT is unwilling to go the Rams route to get them... or really allow them to play, deal with the lumps which will ultimately get them better. I mean unless you're a Kittle/Warner type rookie who just flashed from day 1, you're not getting on the field and if you do f**k up...you go back to the butt bench. You can't do that with young players today.

So after messing up draft evaluations, poor development, you got FA strategy issues as well....Instead of going and getting that in the prime stud player, they go the cheap route more often then not. They disregard the reasons as to why that player might be cheaper (injury history play on field) and hope it will magically change in SF. They depend on often injured players to take on meaningful snaps and as we've seen it's constantly bit them in the ass.

They miss mange their cap space, where the cash flow is going and hope cheap vet min players will become something they've never been.

Overall there's a lot of WTF are you doing as far as team building goes.

Thanks for reposting the obvious 4 players i mentioned long time ago, and many times over. Hurd, Pettis, Joe Williams, CJ, and as i recall , kyle moved up to take them all. Also, McKinnon, who i believe we let go after 2 yrs of injury and only a handful of plays. Nobody will question WHO it was that wanted these 5 losers. It was our HC, so that is why when JL gets blamed for the picks, i go back and mention these guys. All kyle "WANTS" who never should have been drafted or traded or FAed for.

Not saying JL didnt acquiesce , but he sure as heck didn't request them. These are all on kyle. Zeroes.

Player development agreed….really , awfully, lousy.

FA strategies….agree, but WHO is the "genius" behind that? You can put this on KS or JL, if you want, but to me….it is ALL on paraag…the money chintzier, the moneyball "expert". If when this gets all sorted out and past hx is released…and we find paraag was behind all this krapt…i think I'll just go throw up, put it in a bag and send it to paraag, because if past history is released and we find the culprit behind 21 yrs of mostly mediocrity…that's my guy.

The coach and GM are giant clowns. That's the biggest issue.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
NOT THE ISSUE: ADDING ROOKIE TALENT
I've seen many say our drafts have been crap, and if you ONLY looked at the big whiffs in particular in a couple of our classes on early picks, you'd think "Good God, they suck at drafting..." But analyzing our hit rate versus other teams, ours is actually significantly better than I expected. I estimate we drafted contributors on at least 16/40 picks over the past 5 years (40% hit rate). Looking at our division foes, we have done significantly better than Seattle and LA (although they've gotten talent to stay competitive in other ways -- more on that later). The strange thing is just that the 49ers are somehow managing to do it very backwards, hitting on tons of late picks and UDFAs more than their picks in the first four rounds.

These are the ones I qualified as "hits" or "contributors" in my opinion:
OL Jaylon Moore (5th)
CB Deommodore Lenoir (5th)
S Talanoa Hufanga (5th)
RB Elijah Mitchell (6th)
WR Brandon Aiyuk (1st)
TE Charlie Woener (6th)
DE Nick Bosa (1st)
WR Deebo Samuel (2nd)
P Mitch Wishnowsky (4th)
LB Dre Greenlaw (5th)
TE Kaden Smith (6th) - Not with the team, but lost from PS to NYG where he's started.
OT Mike McGlinchey (1st)
LB Fred Warner (3rd)
S/LB Marcell Harris (6th)
TE George Kittle (5th)
DT DJ Jones (6th)

On average, we have added at least 1 Pro Bowler per year in the draft (Warner, Kittle, Bosa, and Samuel likely makes it this year if healthy)

THE REAL ISSUE: TALENT RETENTION & OVERALL RISK MANAGEMENT IN PERSONNEL DECISIONS
First off, plain and simple, we have not found a way to keep our best players/leaders here (Buckner and Sanders, for example). This problem has been compounded by the fact that the team has been absolutely horrific at managing their risk, relying on players with injury histories at STARTING POSITIONS, such as Jimmy G, Verrett, Ward, Tartt, Mostert, Ford, K'Waun Williams, Aziz Al-Shaair, DJ Jones, Jeff Wilson, and Kentavius Street. We know that these players can do some good while on the field, but we pay them too much to miss as many games as they have. This level of risk -- essentially fielding half or more than half of an entire side of the ball's starters -- seems absolutely insane to me. It's not like those guys I mentioned suddenly had a slew of injuries just recently. They've been known injury prone guys for years, some even dating back to college.

PROBLEM IDENTIFIED, SO WHAT'S THE ANSWER?: SIGNIFICANT ROSTER SHAKE-UP
The team absolutely must change its approach in 2022, and I'd like to see significant roster turnover and a fresh start with as many new faces replacing aging, injury prone players who are set to become UFAs in 2022. Below, the bold are the FAs I'd consider keeping for the right price.

49ERS 2022 FREE AGENTS
C Jake Brendel
CB Jason Verrett
CB K'Waun Williams
CB Josh Norman
CB Dre Kirkpatrick
CB Dontae Johnson
DE Arden Key
DE Jordan Willis
DT D.J. Jones
DT Maurice Hurst
DT Kentavius Street
DT Kevin Givens
LB Marcell Harris
LB Azeez Al-Shaair
LB Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles
LG Laken Tomlinson
RB Raheem Mostert
RB Jeff Wilson
RB Trenton Cannon
RB JaMycal Hasty
RG Tom Compton
RG Daniel Brunskill
S Jaquiski Tartt
S Tavon Wilson
S Tarvarius Moore
S Kai Nacua
TE Ross Dwelley
WR Mohamed Sanu
WR Travis Benjamin
WR Trent Sherfield
WR Jauan Jennings
WR Richie James

NON-FREE AGENTS THAT I'D CUT OR TRADE (IF POSSIBLE) WHOSE CAP IMPACT WOULD ALLOW IT
QB Jimmy Garoppolo - Obvious reasons, big contract and not the future
DE Samson Ebukam - Don't think he's fitting as well as they thought he would. Might be expendable with Omenihu joining us.
S Jimmie Ward - Post June 1st cut/trade
DE Dee Ford - Post June 1st cut

Summary/Bottom Line:
The 49ers have completely mismanaged their resources. They've passed too often on adding star talent via trades (but had no issues trading three 1sts and more for a raw rookie QB), and they've spent tons of money on players with injury histories, consistently finishing among league leaders in players on IR/salary cap percentage on IR. And even in the draft where they've actually done better than people think, they've spent resources on a lot more players with medical concerns than you'd like. The bottom line is that their philosophy needs to change. If you have a superstar that's a leader, KEEP THEM. Kittle, Warner, and Trent are good examples. They failed with Buck. So, quit with the "Moneyball" crap, and put more emphasis on toughness and reliability, which Buckner was a perfect model of. Otherwise, we're going to continue to see the majority of our starters stretchered off or carted off the field as we're yet again forced to field a pre-season style roster.

Exceptionally thotful and well done, OTC. It needed to be said and in particular by a wizened poster of many yrs.

Jumping to summary, bottom line:

1. Buck trade just refocused all of us on the most dingbat, foolish and dumbest move since Yorks took over for Eddie D….Moneyball. It doesn't work, it's a loser and with Buck, paraag plowed new ground using moneyball in a TRADE. Jesus wept…along with the rest of us. Really , does anyone even remotely think that came from anyone but Paraag? And if so, how much juice does he have to make that happen? My guess…plenty.

2. Mention of 3 firsts for a kid with just 5 yrs playing football, and 4 of those were in high school? 1 yr in Div 2 small college, and worse yet, then didn't play in a yr due to covid. And we dropped 3 firsts on that resume? Like NY said WTF were they thinking? Going from 1 yr of college , at Div 2, and then misses the yr before draft?

Does that sound like a wise choice? Sure they, like 11 other teams missed on Mahomes. But to come back with this kind of pick on a total "well he really is talented and MAYBE, just maybe he can be something special?" Good grief, this is the 3rd most valuable NFL franchise in the league, and to pull something like that just begs the imagination.

Now I hope and pray Trey is all the things kyle hoped for, JL too..And Paraag for sure. Maybe Peters was in here too, who knows. We HAVE to have Trey come thru for us, but on odds…it is betting against the house.This just reeks of "investing in the lotto with millions of $$$ spent on tickets." It seems about as likely a gamble as that. Trey has tons of talent but throwing caution to the wind with his 3 incredibly negative football facts…Div 2, 1 yr college ball, and then last yr not playing??? This just makes the entire organization look like a bunch of wannabes, with no relation to reason, thot, nor caution.

One thing it was…was ballsy. Smart? Nah, not so much. Ok, it was stupid. I will gladly eat all those words should Trey turn out to be the golden boy, and brother do i ever hope he is. But odds…odds are really against this 3 firsts lousy logic.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by Heroism:
I agree. Also, I think OTC is being extremely generous with his list of hits/contributors. Marcell Harris is awful; Kaden Smith...really? ; Lenoir is a healthy scratch for many weeks now; Jaylon Moore has played 1 game--pump the brakes; Hufanga looked awful last week; Woerner has had 1 noticeable game in 2 years, and it's because he nailed a few blocks.

The 49ers have made 35 selections in the last 4 drafts. I count 9 good decisions they've made, and honestly, they shouldn't get credit for Nick Bosa but I'll give it to them. 9/35. That means about 75% of their draft picks are either not good or absolute failures. I don't get how drafting isn't a(the) main problem.

RB Elijah Mitchell (6th)
WR Brandon Aiyuk (1st)
DE Nick Bosa (1st)
WR Deebo Samuel (2nd)
P Mitch Wishnowsky (4th)
LB Dre Greenlaw (5th)
LB Fred Warner (3rd)
TE George Kittle (5th)
DT DJ Jones (6th)

Your expectations of a draft pick is outrageous. Teams are lucky to get 3 players from a draft class that contribute in any way shape or form. If a team picks up 1 starter and 2 role players then that's an average draft if you look at the class 3 or 4 years down the road.

geesh some of you really think great drafting teams hit on 50% or more on their picks. Go back and look at draft classes from other teams. They are just as bad.

Let''s look at this another way…and no argument on the players named as well as those left off the list.

Out of 11 Offensive starters we got 4…2 WRs, 1 TE, 1RB. All good hands guys. ..where were the OLs?

Out of 11 Defensive starters, we got 4 …2 LBs, 1 DE, 1 DT. …where were the DBs?

Granted we acquired by FA/Trade on O , Big Trent OL, Mack OL (short timer) Tomlinson, and Au Jus…Not too bad, but 2 of those have wear on their treads.

On D by FA/ trade , we got , well no DBs, (altho Hufanga and Lenoir are promising, but way too early to tell). And we DID have Buck, but no mas. I still hold out hope for Banks not ready yet…(is our O too complicated??), and Jaylon Moore who may just be a good one.

Add in drafts plus trades/ FA :

O: 2 WRs, 1 TE, 1 RB , 3 OLs, I FB. Or eight starters.

D: 2 LBs, 1 DE, 1 DT, and 2 maybe DBs, (Huf and Lenoir) or 6 starters (2 maybes).

STs: WISH

I had always heard that if you got 3 starters/ draft you did well. 1 starter…poor. From drafts we got total of 8 in 5 yrs…or about 1.6 starters/yr. We improved that with FA/trades to 15 (incl ST) or 3 starters/yr including drafts/trade/FA over 5 yrs.

So on drafting alone we are at 1.6 (say 1 1/2 starters/yr) but add in FA & trades and we average 3 starters/yr. Couple things stick out…one, we never should have traded Buck, plus lost one of the 2 team leaders. I put that one on F.O, paraag. 2nd, including FAs + Trades we are averaging 3 starters/yr, but draft wise…1 1/2 starters /yr is not good enough.

Remainder of our problem is in coaching deficit. Kyle is a great OC, but not a great HC. Most accept that. But he has failed to secure an experienced DC, same for ST coach, and we are bad at position coaches. Strategy wise, kyle is weak at EoG strategy, which is End of Game and there he fares poorly.

In sum, this is a team wide , multiple causes problem, which includes talent, coaches , and the big one, talent selection. Our F.O has to be greatly improved, our talent has to be improved, and our coaching has to be greatly improved. We tackle lousy, R side of OL can't pass block, our DBs can't cover, and our coaching is substandard overall. The real question is just how do we go about fixing it? Some are self evident, some not. But F.O is probably the way to start, then coaching, and then talent. Coaching includes, BTW , player development.

Originally posted by FL9er:
This is only going to change if Kyle relinquishes some of his personnel power.

Exactly. Kyle is a great coach, but he has had some big misses dictating player moves.

Dante Pettis
Solomon Thomas
Jalen Hurd
Wishnosky
Aaron Banks
Trey Sermon

There is a consistent theme of trying to out-smart the field, but ending up drastically over drafting players.

Its not that these players aren't worth drafting, it's that they were drafted WAY too early.

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by FL9er:
This is only going to change if Kyle relinquishes some of his personnel power.

Exactly. Kyle is a great coach, but he has had some big misses dictating player moves.

Dante Pettis
Solomon Thomas
Jalen Hurd
Wishnosky
Aaron Banks
Trey Sermon

There is a consistent theme of trying to out-smart the field, but ending up drastically over drafting players.

Its not that these players aren't worth drafting, it's that they were drafted WAY too early.

Too early to call Banks and Sermon misses, IMO.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Too early to call Banks and Sermon misses, IMO.

Im not calling them misses, I'm saying they could have been drafted later, for better value.

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Too early to call Banks and Sermon misses, IMO.

Im not calling them misses, I'm saying they could have been drafted later, for better value.

True.

I think the biggest problem is we're missing a lot of starters because of injury.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by FL9er:
This is only going to change if Kyle relinquishes some of his personnel power.

Who was the last HC that actually did this?

Hi Jed,this is Kyle. You know I've been thinking I have made some egregious draft choices,play calls,coaching decisions while I've been here,and I want you to cut my yearly salary by at least a third, because I don't feel I've delivered on my end to justify the money you pay me, nor your level of trust in me.

I want to give up my media given title of "offensive genius" and focus on leading the entire team as a HC with passion & discipline, because I have seen the error in my ways.

Said no coach ever, especially Kyle.

Originally posted by dj43:
I wrote about it a couple of days ago, and the Steve Young article on the front page also said it, "This team lacks toughness and grit."

My current model is the Tennessee Titans. The team models their coach. Mike Vrabel played with passion and grit and was successful not because he had great talent. He just hated to lose. His team plays the same way. Older 49er fans will remember the way Ronnie Lott played. His famous "cut off the finger" response to missing a game is the prototype mentality it takes to win. When your hate of losing becomes greater than your desire to win, you accomplish both, however, it must be in that order.

OTOH, when things go wrong for Kyle, he just mutters a line of expletives and walks away. You cannot inspire and lead men that way. At some point, Kyle will have to learn how to be a leader of men instead of just a play designer.

Agree DJ. Jus pretty much said Kyle sucks as a motivator without saying the words. The video with John York eating JG & TL throwing,Jus said something like "it was kinda nice to see John here and gave them extra motivation". Yes,I know when the boss shows up employees fly a little more straight but Kyle is their boss too. Jus's comments tell me Kyle is not a good leader & motivater of the team.

Maybe I'm wrong,but that's what I get listening to Jus.

Get rid of Paraag and watch this team turn around. It's been twenty years with his crapy analytics. Enough is enough!

Originally posted by 190836:
Get rid of Paraag and watch this team turn around. It's been twenty years with his crapy analytics. Enough is enough!

He's got pictures of Jed.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
NOT THE ISSUE: ADDING ROOKIE TALENT
I've seen many say our drafts have been crap, and if you ONLY looked at the big whiffs in particular in a couple of our classes on early picks, you'd think "Good God, they suck at drafting..." But analyzing our hit rate versus other teams, ours is actually significantly better than I expected. I estimate we drafted contributors on at least 16/40 picks over the past 5 years (40% hit rate). Looking at our division foes, we have done significantly better than Seattle and LA (although they've gotten talent to stay competitive in other ways -- more on that later). The strange thing is just that the 49ers are somehow managing to do it very backwards, hitting on tons of late picks and UDFAs more than their picks in the first four rounds.

These are the ones I qualified as "hits" or "contributors" in my opinion:
OL Jaylon Moore (5th)
CB Deommodore Lenoir (5th)
S Talanoa Hufanga (5th)
RB Elijah Mitchell (6th)
WR Brandon Aiyuk (1st)
TE Charlie Woener (6th)
DE Nick Bosa (1st)
WR Deebo Samuel (2nd)
P Mitch Wishnowsky (4th)
LB Dre Greenlaw (5th)
TE Kaden Smith (6th) - Not with the team, but lost from PS to NYG where he's started.
OT Mike McGlinchey (1st)
LB Fred Warner (3rd)
S/LB Marcell Harris (6th)
TE George Kittle (5th)
DT DJ Jones (6th)

On average, we have added at least 1 Pro Bowler per year in the draft (Warner, Kittle, Bosa, and Samuel likely makes it this year if healthy)

THE REAL ISSUE: TALENT RETENTION & OVERALL RISK MANAGEMENT IN PERSONNEL DECISIONS
First off, plain and simple, we have not found a way to keep our best players/leaders here (Buckner and Sanders, for example). This problem has been compounded by the fact that the team has been absolutely horrific at managing their risk, relying on players with injury histories at STARTING POSITIONS, such as Jimmy G, Verrett, Ward, Tartt, Mostert, Ford, K'Waun Williams, Aziz Al-Shaair, DJ Jones, Jeff Wilson, and Kentavius Street. We know that these players can do some good while on the field, but we pay them too much to miss as many games as they have. This level of risk -- essentially fielding half or more than half of an entire side of the ball's starters -- seems absolutely insane to me. It's not like those guys I mentioned suddenly had a slew of injuries just recently. They've been known injury prone guys for years, some even dating back to college.

PROBLEM IDENTIFIED, SO WHAT'S THE ANSWER?: SIGNIFICANT ROSTER SHAKE-UP
The team absolutely must change its approach in 2022, and I'd like to see significant roster turnover and a fresh start with as many new faces replacing aging, injury prone players who are set to become UFAs in 2022. Below, the bold are the FAs I'd consider keeping for the right price.

49ERS 2022 FREE AGENTS
C Jake Brendel
CB Jason Verrett
CB K'Waun Williams
CB Josh Norman
CB Dre Kirkpatrick
CB Dontae Johnson
DE Arden Key
DE Jordan Willis
DT D.J. Jones
DT Maurice Hurst
DT Kentavius Street
DT Kevin Givens
LB Marcell Harris
LB Azeez Al-Shaair
LB Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles
LG Laken Tomlinson
RB Raheem Mostert
RB Jeff Wilson
RB Trenton Cannon
RB JaMycal Hasty
RG Tom Compton
RG Daniel Brunskill
S Jaquiski Tartt
S Tavon Wilson
S Tarvarius Moore
S Kai Nacua
TE Ross Dwelley
WR Mohamed Sanu
WR Travis Benjamin
WR Trent Sherfield
WR Jauan Jennings
WR Richie James

NON-FREE AGENTS THAT I'D CUT OR TRADE (IF POSSIBLE) WHOSE CAP IMPACT WOULD ALLOW IT
QB Jimmy Garoppolo - Obvious reasons, big contract and not the future
DE Samson Ebukam - Don't think he's fitting as well as they thought he would. Might be expendable with Omenihu joining us.
S Jimmie Ward - Post June 1st cut/trade
DE Dee Ford - Post June 1st cut

Summary/Bottom Line:
The 49ers have completely mismanaged their resources. They've passed too often on adding star talent via trades (but had no issues trading three 1sts and more for a raw rookie QB), and they've spent tons of money on players with injury histories, consistently finishing among league leaders in players on IR/salary cap percentage on IR. And even in the draft where they've actually done better than people think, they've spent resources on a lot more players with medical concerns than you'd like. The bottom line is that their philosophy needs to change. If you have a superstar that's a leader, KEEP THEM. Kittle, Warner, and Trent are good examples. They failed with Buck. So, quit with the "Moneyball" crap, and put more emphasis on toughness and reliability, which Buckner was a perfect model of. Otherwise, we're going to continue to see the majority of our starters stretchered off or carted off the field as we're yet again forced to field a pre-season style roster.

Thank you OTC for saying what I've been saying this regime has drafted well, 40% is above what the average is for a GM to be considered good at drafting.

As for the players you mentioned, I'll put it like this, these are the guys I'd keep in the long term, or the immediate future.

QB Trey Lance
RB Elijah Mitchell
RB Trey Sermon
FB Kyle Juszcyzk
WR Deebo Samuel
WR Brandon Aiyuk
WR Trent Sherfield
WR Jauan Jennings
TE George Kittle
TE Charlie Woerner
C Alex Mack
LG Laken Tomlinson
LG Colton McKivitz
RG Aaron Banks
LT Trent Williams
LT Jaylon Moore
DE Arik Armstead
DE Nick Bosa
DE Charles Omenihu
DT Javon Kinlaw
NT D.J. Jones
WLB Dre Greenlaw
MLB Fred Warner
SLB Azeez Al-Shaair
CB Ambry Thomas
CB Deommodore Lenoir
CB K'Waun Williams
FS Jimmie Ward
SS Talanoa Hufanga
P Mitch Wishnowsky

Players I'm 50/50 on.

RB JaMycal Hasty
RB Trenton Cannon
TE Ross Dwelley
C Jake Brendel
RG Daniel Brunskill (Only as depth)
RT Justin Skule (Maybe let him compete for Swing T spot)
DE Jordan Willis
DE Arden Key
DE Samson Ebukam (Need to see more of him)
DT Maurice Hurst Jr.
DT Kentavius Street
DT Kevin Givens
WLB Marcell Harris
SLB Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles
CB Emmanuel Moseley (Same as Ebukam)
FS Tarvarius Moore

None of these players are guys I'd give more than the league minimum too.

Players I'd let walk or trade/cut after 2021.

QB Jimmy Garoppolo
RB Raheem Mostert
RB Jeff Wilson Jr. (Unless he has a breakout 2nd half)
WR Mohamed Sanu Sr.
WR Richie James Jr.
WR Travis Benjamin
RT Tom Compton
CB Jason Verrett
CB Josh Norman
CB Dre Kirkpatrick
CB Dontae Johnson
FS Tavon Wilson
SS Jaquiski Tartt

Players we're stuck with in 2022 whether we like it or not.

RT Mike McGlinchey
PK Robbie Gould

Also of need to note that Hasty, Jennings, McKivitz(if he didn't sign a 2yr deal), Givens & Flannigan-Fowles are all ERFAs, Hasty, McKivitz, Givens & Flannigan-Fowles would get 1yr non GTD $895K tender, Jennings would get 1yr non GTD $825K tender.

Brunskill, Street, & Al-Shaair are RFAs, I wouldn't tender any of them, rather sign them to 1yr deals worth far less than the projected original round tender of $2.396M.

Originally posted by NC49er:

Originally posted by dj43:
I wrote about it a couple of days ago, and the Steve Young article on the front page also said it, "This team lacks toughness and grit."

My current model is the Tennessee Titans. The team models their coach. Mike Vrabel played with passion and grit and was successful not because he had great talent. He just hated to lose. His team plays the same way. Older 49er fans will remember the way Ronnie Lott played. His famous "cut off the finger" response to missing a game is the prototype mentality it takes to win. When your hate of losing becomes greater than your desire to win, you accomplish both, however, it must be in that order.

OTOH, when things go wrong for Kyle, he just mutters a line of expletives and walks away. You cannot inspire and lead men that way. At some point, Kyle will have to learn how to be a leader of men instead of just a play designer.

Agree DJ. Jus pretty much said Kyle sucks as a motivator without saying the words. The video with John York eating JG & TL throwing,Jus said something like "it was kinda nice to see John here and gave them extra motivation". Yes,I know when the boss shows up employees fly a little more straight but Kyle is their boss too. Jus's comments tell me Kyle is not a good leader & motivater of the team.

Maybe I'm wrong,but that's what I get listening to Jus.

If Juice doesn't think Kyle is a motivator, then why re-sign with us, he could have gotten the same money with the Jets, he hinted at the Jets when he had the virtual interview after signing his new deal.