SF 49ers at Bengals pregame thread - 2021 Season Week 14

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Someone tell me why I should be hopeful that we win this matchup

Vegas is neutral and has SF +1.5 which is pretty close to a toss up.

Wasn't it against Cincy in 2019 the first play went to the house on a running play? Think it was mostert or was it Breida? Or am I thinking of the Browns game?

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
All that happens because we have a game-manager at QB and they mortgaged the future for a young and talented QB that they don´t use.

Shanahan wants to run run run because he has Jimmy. Not because he is a "run first" coach. That´s a myth. Go check his pass/run splits through his career and you´ll see it. His only seasons with more runs than passes were 2012 with RG3 in his rookie year and 2019 with Jimmy. He only runs more because he knows that Jimmy can´t carry the offense with his arm.

No one is saying that we´ll throw 35 times with Lance.....this year. What some of us think is that if Kyle wants to run run run he´d have a better running game this season with a QB that can run from the shotgun or the pistol because with him on the field the running game is 11 on 11 and not 10 on 11.

I bet you that with Lance on the field executing zone-reads and not those stupid QB-power that Shanahan called in the Arizona game our running game would be better but I know that we won´t see Lance this season even if we lose the next 2 games because ShanaLynch are more interested in getting some draft capital from Jimmy than playing Trey to give him experience for next year.

I have posted the breakdowns a few times and they were ignored. And the only reason there were more runs than passes in 2012 with the Redskins is because RGIII ran the ball 120 times. Kyle has never had his running backs have more rushing attempts than his quarterback has passing attempts prior to having Jimmy as his QB. This is a fact.

Not that my last post has any relevance to this game. But I do think the run game gets back on track if Mitchell plays. If not, it will probably look a lot like it did last week. Half and half. Burrows pinky finger is a distraction. Not encouraged by that much. Last guy we played against with a bum finger looked like a pro bowler.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Someone tell me why I should be hopeful that we win this matchup

Vegas is neutral and has SF +1.5 which is pretty close to a toss up.

Its actually better than a tossup because home field advantage is worth almost 3 points to spread makers. So if this was a neutral field game, we would be 1 or 1.5 point favorites.

Originally posted by 9ers4u:
Wasn't it against Cincy in 2019 the first play went to the house on a running play? Think it was mostert or was it Breida? Or am I thinking of the Browns game?

You're right we were destroying them in the first half. Too bad we might not have Mitchell or at least he will be not at full strength. We keep dropping games to teams that we should be beating solely because of injuries. Poor play is a factor for every team every week. Teams always have bad plays here and there but they're great players more than make up for it quite often. If we had Deebo in we win for sure. It would be nice is he is back and even possibly Ford bc that would help so much due to our best cb Moseley being out.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
All that happens because we have a game-manager at QB and they mortgaged the future for a young and talented QB that they don´t use.

Shanahan wants to run run run because he has Jimmy. Not because he is a "run first" coach. That´s a myth. Go check his pass/run splits through his career and you´ll see it. His only seasons with more runs than passes were 2012 with RG3 in his rookie year and 2019 with Jimmy. He only runs more because he knows that Jimmy can´t carry the offense with his arm.

No one is saying that we´ll throw 35 times with Lance.....this year. What some of us think is that if Kyle wants to run run run he´d have a better running game this season with a QB that can run from the shotgun or the pistol because with him on the field the running game is 11 on 11 and not 10 on 11.

I bet you that with Lance on the field executing zone-reads and not those stupid QB-power that Shanahan called in the Arizona game our running game would be better but I know that we won´t see Lance this season even if we lose the next 2 games because ShanaLynch are more interested in getting some draft capital from Jimmy than playing Trey to give him experience for next year.

I have posted the breakdowns a few times and they were ignored. And the only reason there were more runs than passes in 2012 with the Redskins is because RGIII ran the ball 120 times. Kyle has never had his running backs have more rushing attempts than his quarterback has passing attempts prior to having Jimmy as his QB. This is a fact.

In the research was Shanny running teams that were always playing from behind so making passing required?

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 9ers4u:
Wasn't it against Cincy in 2019 the first play went to the house on a running play? Think it was mostert or was it Breida? Or am I thinking of the Browns game?

You're right we were destroying them in the first half. Too bad we might not have Mitchell or at least he will be not at full strength. We keep dropping games to teams that we should be beating solely because of injuries. Poor play is a factor for every team every week. Teams always have bad plays here and there but they're great players more than make up for it quite often. If we had Deebo in we win for sure. It would be nice is he is back and even possibly Ford bc that would help so much due to our best cb Moseley being out.

Agreed...against Seattle our pass rush looked good for awhile. Then I noticed it drop off a bit and Wilson had lots of time. Some was holding not called of course. Deebo is a difference maker. No doubt about it. Having him will make up for our back situation. I just hope he doesn't get tight again. Ford is going to have to play or will he be on permanent IR? Isn't this his 3rd week after being designated to return? Maybe I missed something

Big game vs the Bengals this is our specialty gentlemen

SB XVI
SB XXIII

Originally posted by 9ers4u:
Wasn't it against Cincy in 2019 the first play went to the house on a running play? Think it was mostert or was it Breida? Or am I thinking of the Browns game?

I believe that was the browns when Brieda ran all over them. I think we Also annihilated the Bengals the same year too. Those we're some good times.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Big game vs the Bengals this is our specialty gentlemen

SB XVI
SB XXIII

Too bad Collinsworth isn't calling this game. Then again, idk if I could swallow his commentating of a Bengals game

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 9ers4u:
Wasn't it against Cincy in 2019 the first play went to the house on a running play? Think it was mostert or was it Breida? Or am I thinking of the Browns game?

I believe that was the browns when Brieda ran all over them. I think we Also annihilated the Bengals the same year too. Those we're some good times.

Yeach I remember Breida waving bye bye to the end zone. Just couldn't remember who it was against. Think there was two games that year the first play went to the house. Good times indeed!

Originally posted by 9ers4u:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
All that happens because we have a game-manager at QB and they mortgaged the future for a young and talented QB that they don´t use.

Shanahan wants to run run run because he has Jimmy. Not because he is a "run first" coach. That´s a myth. Go check his pass/run splits through his career and you´ll see it. His only seasons with more runs than passes were 2012 with RG3 in his rookie year and 2019 with Jimmy. He only runs more because he knows that Jimmy can´t carry the offense with his arm.

No one is saying that we´ll throw 35 times with Lance.....this year. What some of us think is that if Kyle wants to run run run he´d have a better running game this season with a QB that can run from the shotgun or the pistol because with him on the field the running game is 11 on 11 and not 10 on 11.

I bet you that with Lance on the field executing zone-reads and not those stupid QB-power that Shanahan called in the Arizona game our running game would be better but I know that we won´t see Lance this season even if we lose the next 2 games because ShanaLynch are more interested in getting some draft capital from Jimmy than playing Trey to give him experience for next year.

I have posted the breakdowns a few times and they were ignored. And the only reason there were more runs than passes in 2012 with the Redskins is because RGIII ran the ball 120 times. Kyle has never had his running backs have more rushing attempts than his quarterback has passing attempts prior to having Jimmy as his QB. This is a fact.

In the research was Shanny running teams that were always playing from behind so making passing required?

No.

Originally posted by 9ers4u:
Wasn't it against Cincy in 2019 the first play went to the house on a running play? Think it was mostert or was it Breida? Or am I thinking of the Browns game?

No, it was against the Browns, on Sunday Night or MNF

Originally posted by NCommand:
Imagine game planning KNOWING in advance that Dontae Johnson is starting. That's a dream scenario if you're the Bengals. In fact, if you get bored, you could always launch up a 60 yard bomb to Norman for an automatic P.I. just for s**ts and giggles.

Either corner for that matter, tell your OL, "watch this one" and start launching em from behind your back, or a couple underhand one's.

If the offense plays like they are capable and Kyle sticks with a 60-70% run heavy plan the 9ers can win,but if Kyle calls a 50/50 game or less and they come out and play like last week, or the Colts, Az games then it will be a bad day.