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Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah when it comes to fumbles, I'll take anything I can get. We've been insanely unlucky or non-aggressive going after them or a combo of both.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
We stretched the field horizontally, had success on the final drive passing to the sidelines to Jennings, and scored the game winning touchdown with a play action drag route.
That's all I care about with Jimmy. Just don't be super predictable. And I give him credit for that this game.
Originally posted by jonnydel:it's not ran enough and ran with Receivers ..wheel routes are fun, but not true outside plays
Originally posted by Waterbear:
We stretched the field horizontally, had success on the final drive passing to the sidelines to Jennings, and scored the game winning touchdown with a play action drag route.
That's all I care about with Jimmy. Just don't be super predictable. And I give him credit for that this game.
The throw to Jennings is one we've made multiple times in the past. I remember specifically, 2019 Week 17 vs the Seahawks we hit Juicecheck down the sideline on that play and the LB covering tore his ACL.
Jimmy hit Richie James for a TD on that play.
We ran it last year vs Seattle, if I remember right in the game where Jimmy hurt his ankle the second time and the OL completely botched protection and Jimmy was sacked before the wheel route even turned upfield. I know i've seen it other times but can't remember the exact specifics of when and where.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Your standard great job, JD, and now i see why our OL looked so bad on PP. The DE stunt up the gut was successful with virtually no one home to take care of him. That must be a brute to figure out how to handle that. It happens so dang fast it seems almost impossible to be able to stop. Really good call by Cincy's DC.
A lot of folks make fun of "check down Jimmy" but realization that your OL has not blocked somebody calls for instant recognition and immediate release …so check down is an absolute must. Glad you showed that , and thanks. No wonder the PP looked so bad…there were some very good calls by Cincy in those cases.
Screens off a moving pocket is one way to take care of those kinds of blitzes/stunts. (Example sprint-right option kinds of plays) Kyle just has to anticipate when the DC will blitz. Cinci has a good DLine so those kinds of blitzes aren't called by the DC much, and were a surprise for sure. I think Kyle's just going to have to change up on offense once the playoffs come and he's dealing with a top of the line Pass rush.
We really need Mitchell and Jeff Wilson in the playoffs, if we're to have any chance of avoiding One-and-Done scenarios.
I do NOT trust Compton vs Micah Parsons or Shaq Barrett. If we match up there Imma have diarrhea for a week.
My bigger frustration were things where we had the blockers but didn't execute. It's not like Jimmy needs 4.5 seconds. We've all seen him do really well if you give him 3+ seconds. That's it. We just need that long. Gotta be able to get that outside zone-counters going. That puts a lot more stress on those DE's and force them to read in/out run before switching to the pass rush.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
it's not ran enough and ran with Receivers ..wheel routes are fun, but not true outside plays
Originally posted by jonnydel:but how many times can you run that play in game? we need jimmy to throw like he did with JJ and not bank on a rope a dope play. i wiil correct myelf and say we don't neccessarily need him to do that but at least have our wideouts earn their money. hopefuly this past game clicked for him at the end
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
it's not ran enough and ran with Receivers ..wheel routes are fun, but not true outside plays
I guess I'm confused on that one. One staple of Norv Turners offense for outside work was a trail vertical. They'd run a receiver on a streak and a wheel route behind it. Stafford hit it several times against us in 2017 and 18, I believe and Carolina tried it in 2019.
Our play, we have a DIG to occupy the middle safety and the man-cov guy has to respect a quick out.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by jonnydel:but how many times can you run that play in game? we need jimmy to throw like he did with JJ and not bank on a rope a dope play. i wiil correct myelf and say we don't neccessarily need him to do that but at least have our wideouts earn their money. hopefuly this past game clicked for him at the end
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
it's not ran enough and ran with Receivers ..wheel routes are fun, but not true outside plays
I guess I'm confused on that one. One staple of Norv Turners offense for outside work was a trail vertical. They'd run a receiver on a streak and a wheel route behind it. Stafford hit it several times against us in 2017 and 18, I believe and Carolina tried it in 2019.
Our play, we have a DIG to occupy the middle safety and the man-cov guy has to respect a quick out.
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah when it comes to fumbles, I'll take anything I can get. We've been insanely unlucky or non-aggressive going after them or a combo of both.
bengals were honestly lucky we didn't recover all 4 of their fumbles, the other 2 were in situations where their guy just managed to fall right on top of it.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
There were SO. MANY. PLAYS. in this game. Hardest part was figuring out what to include and what not to. Spent a good bit of time on the defense and how we gave up so many yards in the 4th. I started with 32 plays to cover and had to pair it down to 27.
JD one thing needs to be said about offensive "efficiency" - was gifted two very short fields. Again, this OL is the weak link. If we can't run and have to rely on pass pro, that's going to be our kryptonite every time.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
There were SO. MANY. PLAYS. in this game. Hardest part was figuring out what to include and what not to. Spent a good bit of time on the defense and how we gave up so many yards in the 4th. I started with 32 plays to cover and had to pair it down to 27.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Excellent work as always, Jonny. I think my favorite play from the game was that back shoulder to Jennings. Reminded me of what we see Rodgers and Adams do about 8 times a game.
As you said, pass protection is a huge concern. It's going to take a hell of a lot of great scheming to overcome the constant failures of Compton and Brunskill. If there is one thing that causes me to doubt our chances of winning in the playoffs, it's that. Dallas, Arizona, Green Bay, Tampa Bay, and LA all have pretty strong pass rushes.
Agreed. The good news is that once Kyle emphasized the check downs last week, we saw more of that this week so between his reads and quick release, that helps out the pass protection a ton.
That said, when they collapse, as you saw, it's usually all of them failing at once and under 2 seconds. Or worse, Jimmy ends up taking a kill shot from an unlocked defender. And we forget, Jimmy was gimpy after that big hit JD highlighted.
If I'm a defense that's going to be blitz happy, I'd obviously want to double Kittle and Deebo. Just by doing the math, I'd have to leave 3rd and 4th pass receiver single covered or choose to double either the 3rd or 4th and leave one uncovered. Jauan's development is going to be key in breaking these types of blitz happy playoff defenses that have a good DLine to back them up. Really am happy Jauan's becoming a receiving threat like the other three.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by jonnydel:in your fillm studies, do we even help compton with chips or anything ?
I do NOT trust Compton vs Micah Parsons or Shaq Barrett. If we match up there Imma have diarrhea for a week.
My bigger frustration were things where we had the blockers but didn't execute. It's not like Jimmy needs 4.5 seconds. We've all seen him do really well if you give him 3+ seconds. That's it. We just need that long. Gotta be able to get that outside zone-counters going. That puts a lot more stress on those DE's and force them to read in/out run before switching to the pass rush.
I don't remember any when watching the games
Very rarely. When we do it's George Kittle staying in to block on play action. Dropback passing? Hardly ever.
Originally posted by All22:
Start a Patreon, then start breaking down the entire games.
I watch a lot of guys break down film on youtube.
You're the best.
A few former players go do a good job (Tim Jenkins, JT O'Sullivan, Baldy etc) but none of them understand our offense philosophy like you do and can talk about the changes and adjustments that happen week to week or even quarter to quarter.