SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS at TENNESSEE TITANS - 2021 Game 15

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:
This is a .500 club in talent and mentality. It just is. It's still a playoff team though.

Disagree strongly. With better QB play this team is a 11 win team right now. We all got suckered in by good game managing the last few weeks, but because the interceptions were dropped (like the one at the end of regulation against the Bengals), and because the Falcons are pure garbage, we get fooled by the mirage. We have a mediocre QB, and we keep forgetting it. We have a guy who can't make throws that 31 other starts can consistently make (the one to Juice). Jimmy has one skill set, and that's the fast release. He has nothing else. He doesn't have it between the ears, he doesn't have it mechanically, he's not particularly accurate. What is it about him, in terms of traits, actual, observable, QB skills, that causes people to believe he's top 10 around here?

Next year this team will be better by subtraction, because Trey Lance will be under center.

If this were the case Trey would be starting now.

Do you always use up all of your SAVINGS funds at the 1st hint of need and trouble?

Trey is an investment. A big one. He's being protected as much as possible right now.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You're living in a fantasy world. We've had 32 players hit I.R. and more to come (Azeez). It was, like their QB, a top 12-15 roster even before all the annual injuries. They never had the horses and that goes well beyond the QB.

Not really. A functioning NFL QB wins that game yesterday....that's 9 wins. One of the Sea games? Cards games? Colts? Injuries have hurt, no question, but there is easily enough talent where the QB makes a major difference.

Nobody is saying we wouldn't have won with better QB play yesterday. But to ignore literally, everything else that's wrong with this team is asinine at this stage. When this team loses, it's the exact same formula beyond the QB play. I know it's harder to see that for QB-centric fans but this team continues to have the exact same issues in every loss. Bad Jimmy is just front and center and easiest to see.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Domino effects, Jimmy s**t the bed with turnovers. The Titans scored. The defense pressed to make a play; make bone head mistakes like jumping offsides in 3rd and 23.

When the defense played with the offense in control, they are discipline enough to keep the Titans offense to 55yds the whole half.

When Jimmy s**t the bed, it trickled down to the rest of the team.

Maybe someone should update this image to reflect what you posted:

Welcome back!

Merry Xmas!

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nobody is saying we wouldn't have won with better QB play yesterday. But to ignore literally, everything else that's wrong with this team is asinine at this stage. When this team loses, it's the exact same formula beyond the QB play. I know it's harder to see that for QB-centric fans but this team continues to have the exact same issues in every loss. Bad Jimmy is just front and center and easiest to see.

I don't think people are ignoring every other issue....it's that given the strive for parity in the NFL, and the rules in place geared towards offense, the QB position decides wins and losses far more in this era than in any era prior. When you add in all the injuries that run rampant in the league, and the QB is the most protected position, it puts further emphasis on the play of the pivot. SF has been ravaged with injuries....but that's been at numerous positions....and they still could've won a few more games this year with better QB play. Yesterday's is the most glaring example of that.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Domino effects, Jimmy s**t the bed with turnovers. The Titans scored. The defense pressed to make a play; make bone head mistakes like jumping offsides in 3rd and 23.

When the defense played with the offense in control, they are discipline enough to keep the Titans offense to 55yds the whole half.

When Jimmy s**t the bed, it trickled down to the rest of the team.

Maybe someone should update this image to reflect what you posted:

Welcome back!

Merry Xmas!

I'm not gonna be in the Jimmy thread for maybe another week. I stepped away because I realized I was hurting the feelings of some nice people (don't flatter yourself, not talking about you. lol jk). Here, people are still pissed so it's probably fine for Jimmy "haters" (aka people who live in reality) to vent.

But that said, I could always post something like this in there to not hurt feelings: Se paso de verga, esta muy guapo pero muy pendejo y nervioso. Él no puede triar. Él no puede leer una defensa. Espero el día en que se vaya.

That way neither English speakers nor Spanish speakers will know what I'm saying.

My perspective from the stands last night: there were open receivers all over the place, Jimmy had a ton of time in the pocket, we abandoned the run at times, Ambry Thomas outplayed Josh Norman, defensive line got stonewalled for a long period of time in the third/fourth.

Jimmy giving away 14 points was too much to overcome.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Domino effects, Jimmy s**t the bed with turnovers. The Titans scored. The defense pressed to make a play; make bone head mistakes like jumping offsides in 3rd and 23.

When the defense played with the offense in control, they are discipline enough to keep the Titans offense to 55yds the whole half.

When Jimmy s**t the bed, it trickled down to the rest of the team.

Maybe someone should update this image to reflect what you posted:

Welcome back!

Merry Xmas!

I'm not gonna be in the Jimmy thread for maybe another week. I stepped away because I realized I was hurting the feelings of some nice people (don't flatter yourself, not talking about you. lol jk). Here, people are still pissed so it's probably fine for Jimmy "haters" (aka people who live in reality) to vent.

But that said, I could always post something like this in there to not hurt feelings: Se paso de verga, esta muy guapo pero muy pendejo y nervioso. Él no puede triar. Él no puede leer una defensa. Espero el día en que se vaya.

That way neither English speakers nor Spanish speakers will know what I'm saying.

Happy holidays then?!

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Domino effects, Jimmy s**t the bed with turnovers. The Titans scored. The defense pressed to make a play; make bone head mistakes like jumping offsides in 3rd and 23.

When the defense played with the offense in control, they are discipline enough to keep the Titans offense to 55yds the whole half.

When Jimmy s**t the bed, it trickled down to the rest of the team.

Maybe someone should update this image to reflect what you posted:

Welcome back!

Merry Xmas!

I'm not gonna be in the Jimmy thread for maybe another week. I stepped away because I realized I was hurting the feelings of some nice people (don't flatter yourself, not talking about you. lol jk). Here, people are still pissed so it's probably fine for Jimmy "haters" (aka people who live in reality) to vent.

But that said, I could always post something like this in there to not hurt feelings: Se paso de verga, esta muy guapo pero muy pendejo y nervioso. Él no puede triar. Él no puede leer una defensa. Espero el día en que se vaya.

That way neither English speakers nor Spanish speakers will know what I'm saying.

Happy holidays then?!

Lol I meant discussing Jimmy. I'm fine with Merry Christmas. I'm fine with Happy Holidays too. That sort of thing doesn't trigger me.

Merry Christmas to you too. Hope you get the coal I deserve and I get all your presents. Just need Santa to play like Jimmy and that will happen.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nobody is saying we wouldn't have won with better QB play yesterday. But to ignore literally, everything else that's wrong with this team is asinine at this stage. When this team loses, it's the exact same formula beyond the QB play. I know it's harder to see that for QB-centric fans but this team continues to have the exact same issues in every loss. Bad Jimmy is just front and center and easiest to see.

I don't think people are ignoring every other issue....it's that given the strive for parity in the NFL, and the rules in place geared towards offense, the QB position decides wins and losses far more in this era than in any era prior. When you add in all the injuries that run rampant in the league, and the QB is the most protected position, it puts further emphasis on the play of the pivot. SF has been ravaged with injuries....but that's been at numerous positions....and they still could've won a few more games this year with better QB play. Yesterday's is the most glaring example of that.

That would make sense if this was a wide open spread offense but this isn't a QB-centric offense. Jimmy played like ass and we still could have won if the defense made one stop at the end and got the ball back, even after one first down.

That said, to your point, because it's not a QB-centric offense, every single pass counts...good or bad, there's going to be a massive spot light on every single throw and the focus with remain on "efficiency" stats.

Our QB's just aren't going to be throwing 50 times a game here when it is built to run, play keep away with owning the TOP and dominate with the pass rush and DL. That formula won't change with Trey either. It just won't.

No way around it tha twas a bad performance by Jimmy. INT in the end zone. Missing a wide open Juice on the sideline. INT in the 2nd half that lead to a Titans TD. Missed pass completion on 3rd down to Aiyuk. He took a sack when he held the ball too long even though the replay showed Kittle wide open in the middle . Even though he ended up with over 300 yards he didn't really make any tough throws all night. Easy tosses with a lot of YAC. It was one of his worst games of the year.

Still I won't put the entire loss on him. The defense was terrible in the 2nd half, especially on 3rd down. They were throwing the ball to Green every play and still they couldn't stop him. Where were the adjustments?

This is too late in the season for a playoff bound team to have a game like that. This is when the team should be peaking not stumbling. The Titans are a pretty good team but their missing one of the top offensive players in the league and their O line is mess. Somehow they managed to keep Bosa under control for the most part.

Very disappointing.

Originally posted by NCommand:
That would make sense if this was a wide open spread offense but this isn't a QB-centric offense. Jimmy played like ass and we still could have won if the defense made one stop at the end and got the ball back, even after one first down.

That said, to your point, because it's not a QB-centric offense, every single pass counts...good or bad, there's going to be a massive spot light on it and the focus with remain on "efficiency" stats.

Our QB's just aren't going to be throwing 50 times a game here when it is built to run, play keep away with owning the TOP and dominate with the pass rush and DL.

That only enhances the fact. You're right, that this is a run-oriented offense, but given the success we have off of that, and using play action, it makes the job easier for the QB. He's not asked to go out and outright win games week after week, but he is asked to make plays when the opportunity arises. The second int was a Jimmy Special.....every second or third week. The miss to Juice? That might have been his worst throw on that play, but he's missed Kyle many other times when that play is ran. It's one thing that if the pass was garbage, and Juszczyk has to wait for the ball/gets tackled, but to airmail it like that with no completion? That is simply inexcusable.

10-7

This team hasn't done well against good teams. The only team that I consider a good team that they beat is the Rams and we all know the problems McVay has with the 49ers. I wouldn't bet on the Niners in the final game of the year against the Rams if they are battling the Cards for the division title.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That would make sense if this was a wide open spread offense but this isn't a QB-centric offense. Jimmy played like ass and we still could have won if the defense made one stop at the end and got the ball back, even after one first down.

That said, to your point, because it's not a QB-centric offense, every single pass counts...good or bad, there's going to be a massive spot light on it and the focus with remain on "efficiency" stats.

Our QB's just aren't going to be throwing 50 times a game here when it is built to run, play keep away with owning the TOP and dominate with the pass rush and DL.

That only enhances the fact. You're right, that this is a run-oriented offense, but given the success we have off of that, and using play action, it makes the job easier for the QB. He's not asked to go out and outright win games week after week, but he is asked to make plays when the opportunity arises. The second int was a Jimmy Special.....every second or third week. The miss to Juice? That might have been his worst throw on that play, but he's missed Kyle many other times when that play is ran. It's one thing that if the pass was garbage, and Juszczyk has to wait for the ball/gets tackled, but to airmail it like that with no completion? That is simply inexcusable.

Yeah, say what you will about Trey, but at least Trey would have at worst under thrown it, allowing Juice to catch it and then get tackled.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That would make sense if this was a wide open spread offense but this isn't a QB-centric offense. Jimmy played like ass and we still could have won if the defense made one stop at the end and got the ball back, even after one first down.

That said, to your point, because it's not a QB-centric offense, every single pass counts...good or bad, there's going to be a massive spot light on it and the focus with remain on "efficiency" stats.

Our QB's just aren't going to be throwing 50 times a game here when it is built to run, play keep away with owning the TOP and dominate with the pass rush and DL.

That only enhances the fact. You're right, that this is a run-oriented offense, but given the success we have off of that, and using play action, it makes the job easier for the QB. He's not asked to go out and outright win games week after week, but he is asked to make plays when the opportunity arises. The second int was a Jimmy Special.....every second or third week. The miss to Juice? That might have been his worst throw on that play, but he's missed Kyle many other times when that play is ran. It's one thing that if the pass was garbage, and Juszczyk has to wait for the ball/gets tackled, but to airmail it like that with no completion? That is simply inexcusable.

It CAN make the job easier but that's only if the running game is working. Again, we only had 80 yards rushing and Vrabel is too smart of a coach to not flood the middle and do what NE always did...take away the team's #1 weapon. They are #2 in run defense and took away Kittle. That's what they do. That's just not a good matchup for our winning formula.

But overall, I agree with your premise.

As to Jimmy, totally agreed. He's as bipolar as it gets at times.

But this is where Kyle needs to read his own QB. If Bad Jimmy is rearing his ugly head (it showed early), get back to the quick slants, screens, check downs, running game, etc. until he's recalibrated. We all could see it but he can't?