SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS at TENNESSEE TITANS - 2021 Game 15

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
No way around it tha twas a bad performance by Jimmy. INT in the end zone. Missing a wide open Juice on the sideline. INT in the 2nd half that lead to a Titans TD. Missed pass completion on 3rd down to Aiyuk. He took a sack when he held the ball too long even though the replay showed Kittle wide open in the middle . Even though he ended up with over 300 yards he didn't really make any tough throws all night. Easy tosses with a lot of YAC. It was one of his worst games of the year.

Still I won't put the entire loss on him. The defense was terrible in the 2nd half, especially on 3rd down. They were throwing the ball to Green every play and still they couldn't stop him. Where were the adjustments?

This is too late in the season for a playoff bound team to have a game like that. This is when the team should be peaking not stumbling. The Titans are a pretty good team but their missing one of the top offensive players in the league and their O line is mess. Somehow they managed to keep Bosa under control for the most part.

Very disappointing.

Agree, and Titans despite their 9-5 record going in, are not AZ, nor Rams and certainly not GB. Think of what that game would have been like with ARodgers throwing to wide open receivers all nite. It would have been a disaster. As it was, jimmy had a bad game despite 300 yds, mostly RAC.

For the 2nd time in most of the last 8 weeks, he was NOT hyper-focused, not completely zoned in, and he made some WTF throws as noted above. It seems the games he isn't locked and loaded mentally, he gets "drifty" and we see those WTF throws.

And those throws came in all shapes and colors…high across the middle, INT…don't know how to describe the muffed pass to au jus…missed Aiyuk on a crossing pattern that was easy, to end our game….threw into a completely covered kittle twice, once for INT. One cannot win with those kinds of mistakes all in one game.

The concentration necessary to win just wasn't there last nite. When he hyper-focuses, we win. When he isn't fully focused…we don't. Question is what does it take for JG to get hyper focused?

Originally posted by Sourball:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That would make sense if this was a wide open spread offense but this isn't a QB-centric offense. Jimmy played like ass and we still could have won if the defense made one stop at the end and got the ball back, even after one first down.

That said, to your point, because it's not a QB-centric offense, every single pass counts...good or bad, there's going to be a massive spot light on it and the focus with remain on "efficiency" stats.

Our QB's just aren't going to be throwing 50 times a game here when it is built to run, play keep away with owning the TOP and dominate with the pass rush and DL.

That only enhances the fact. You're right, that this is a run-oriented offense, but given the success we have off of that, and using play action, it makes the job easier for the QB. He's not asked to go out and outright win games week after week, but he is asked to make plays when the opportunity arises. The second int was a Jimmy Special.....every second or third week. The miss to Juice? That might have been his worst throw on that play, but he's missed Kyle many other times when that play is ran. It's one thing that if the pass was garbage, and Juszczyk has to wait for the ball/gets tackled, but to airmail it like that with no completion? That is simply inexcusable.

What NC is trying to say I guess is that Jimmy needs MORE opportunities...to mess up EVEN MORE.

Didn't need this for 5 of the previous 6,...but when he loses, this need to throw more suddenly arises. Makes no sense? Doesn't matter.

I don't think anyone wants to see Jimmy passing 50 times a game. (Except opposing defenses)
It wouldn't be so frustrating if DB's and LB's were making great plays and stealing the ball but hitting them between the numbers constantly is insane

Agreed

When they replayed the INT to start the 2nd half, you could clearly see that Jimmy got underneath the throw. It not only wobbled but the nose of the football turned up which causes the ball to sail. I've seen that at other times with him as well. If he drops that elbow too much he gets under the ball.

I watch a lot of Giants baseball and Krukow often points this out when a pitcher starts to miss high.

Originally posted by SisterFister:
I'm sick and tired of people talking about the other problems with this team other than Jimmy. Saying, well Jimmy isn't the only reason we lost. NO s**t! Every team has something wrong with them. Every single one. We could sit here all day and pick apart the Rams, Cardinals, Packers, Bucs, Chiefs…etc. They all have weaknesses.

The reason why these teams are actually contenders for the SB despite the weaknesses of their rosters is because of the Quarterbacks. That's it. It's that easy.

Stability at the QB position for this team as constructed is the difference between being 8-7 now and leading this division with 11 wins.

Jimmy G is what is holding this team back from being a contender. End of discussion.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It CAN make the job easier but that's only if the running game is working. Again, we only had 80 yards rushing and Vrabel is too smart of a coach to not flood the middle and do what NE always did...take away the team's #1 weapon. They are #2 in run defense and took away Kittle. That's what they do. That's just not a good matchup for our winning formula.

But overall, I agree with your premise.

As to Jimmy, totally agreed. He's as bipolar as it gets at times.

But this is where Kyle needs to read his own QB. If Bad Jimmy is rearing his ugly head (it showed early), get back to the quick slants, screens, check downs, running game, etc. until he's recalibrated. We all could see it but he can't?

I think Kyle read his QB fine last night. You could tell just before half when SF got the ball with I believe 2 timeouts, Shanahan turtled and went into a shell because he didn't want to risk a turnover/Titan score before half. He was right, because that's basically what happened when SF got the ball in the second half with their first possession. The second Jimmy int....he had the checkdown, made a poor choice/throw, and it was basically over.

If Kyle has done a disservice to Garoppolo, it was the whole 'trying to find packages for Lance' throughout the season, instead of just running with one guy. It's one thing if it's Payton with Brees and Hill, but Garoppolo is no Brees. I think Kyle realized it, and that's why we haven't seen anything from Lance in a couple of months it seems.

Again....this wasn't all on JG, but last night really seems like it's lights out, and right or wrong, it's how a lot of people are gonna remember Garoppolo.

Agreed. I was fine shutting it down and going into half time with a 2 score lead on the road on the East Coast with your defense playing terrific.

I just meant, after the INT and shortly there after, you could see what the Titans were doing with Kittle and flooding (their strengths + run defense) so that's when you change up to something else instead of the intermediate middle scheme. When a team gets into Jimmy's confidence, we know what happens going forward. He presses and gets blinders on. Pull back, make it easier and build back up his confidence.

I'm not saying Kyle should HAVE too but that's just reality and he's going to have to do that for Trey too esp. as a young first time starter.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That would make sense if this was a wide open spread offense but this isn't a QB-centric offense. Jimmy played like ass and we still could have won if the defense made one stop at the end and got the ball back, even after one first down.

That said, to your point, because it's not a QB-centric offense, every single pass counts...good or bad, there's going to be a massive spot light on it and the focus with remain on "efficiency" stats.

Our QB's just aren't going to be throwing 50 times a game here when it is built to run, play keep away with owning the TOP and dominate with the pass rush and DL.

That only enhances the fact. You're right, that this is a run-oriented offense, but given the success we have off of that, and using play action, it makes the job easier for the QB. He's not asked to go out and outright win games week after week, but he is asked to make plays when the opportunity arises. The second int was a Jimmy Special.....every second or third week. The miss to Juice? That might have been his worst throw on that play, but he's missed Kyle many other times when that play is ran. It's one thing that if the pass was garbage, and Juszczyk has to wait for the ball/gets tackled, but to airmail it like that with no completion? That is simply inexcusable.

It CAN make the job easier but that's only if the running game is working. Again, we only had 80 yards rushing and Vrabel is too smart of a coach to not flood the middle and do what NE always did...take away the team's #1 weapon. They are #2 in run defense and took away Kittle. That's what they do. That's just not a good matchup for our winning formula.

But overall, I agree with your premise.

As to Jimmy, totally agreed. He's as bipolar as it gets at times.

But this is where Kyle needs to read his own QB. If Bad Jimmy is rearing his ugly head (it showed early), get back to the quick slants, screens, check downs, running game, etc. until he's recalibrated. We all could see it but he can't?

Got to disagree on part of this. Play-action works whether or not the run is working.

https://weeklyspiral.com/2021/10/29/play-action-passing-is-the-best-play-in-football/

Originally posted by SisterFister:
I'm sick and tired of people talking about the other problems with this team other than Jimmy. Saying, well Jimmy isn't the only reason we lost. NO s**t! Every team has something wrong with them. Every single one. We could sit here all day and pick apart the Rams, Cardinals, Packers, Bucs, Chiefs…etc. They all have weaknesses.

The reason why these teams are actually contenders for the SB despite the weaknesses of their rosters is because of the Quarterbacks. That's it. It's that easy.

Stability at the QB position for this team as constructed is the difference between being 8-7 now and leading this division with 11 wins.

Jimmy G is what is holding this team back from being a contender. End of discussion.

This is correct.

However, it's also true that he's holding us from being 4-11, in the sense that, without at least a mediocre QB, we wouldn't even be winning half the games we do.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by SisterFister:
I'm sick and tired of people talking about the other problems with this team other than Jimmy. Saying, well Jimmy isn't the only reason we lost. NO s**t! Every team has something wrong with them. Every single one. We could sit here all day and pick apart the Rams, Cardinals, Packers, Bucs, Chiefs…etc. They all have weaknesses.

The reason why these teams are actually contenders for the SB despite the weaknesses of their rosters is because of the Quarterbacks. That's it. It's that easy.

Stability at the QB position for this team as constructed is the difference between being 8-7 now and leading this division with 11 wins.

Jimmy G is what is holding this team back from being a contender. End of discussion.

So your contention is the 49ers have a Super Bowl caliber defense?

OK.

If they had a legitimate franchise QB, I say they do.

Despite our QB giving them short fields to defend, our defense is still only 2 spots behind the Bucs' defense in points (17 and 15 respectfully), and 4th in yards. The defense is not great. But it's good. And last night showed exactly what happens when your QB is garbage but you have a good defense: defense starts out utterly DOMINATING. Then they get gassed and demoralized from their QB handing a win to the opponent on a silver platter. And then they give up 20 points instead of the shutout they were on their way to pitching.

So yeah, we have a Super Bowl caliber defense. We just don't have a Super Bowl caliber quarterback.

EDIT — this is not to say that Jimmy IS garbage. He WAS garbage yesterday. But in general he's a mediocre QB. He's on Ryan Tannehill's level, incidentally.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That would make sense if this was a wide open spread offense but this isn't a QB-centric offense. Jimmy played like ass and we still could have won if the defense made one stop at the end and got the ball back, even after one first down.

That said, to your point, because it's not a QB-centric offense, every single pass counts...good or bad, there's going to be a massive spot light on it and the focus with remain on "efficiency" stats.

Our QB's just aren't going to be throwing 50 times a game here when it is built to run, play keep away with owning the TOP and dominate with the pass rush and DL.

That only enhances the fact. You're right, that this is a run-oriented offense, but given the success we have off of that, and using play action, it makes the job easier for the QB. He's not asked to go out and outright win games week after week, but he is asked to make plays when the opportunity arises. The second int was a Jimmy Special.....every second or third week. The miss to Juice? That might have been his worst throw on that play, but he's missed Kyle many other times when that play is ran. It's one thing that if the pass was garbage, and Juszczyk has to wait for the ball/gets tackled, but to airmail it like that with no completion? That is simply inexcusable.

It CAN make the job easier but that's only if the running game is working. Again, we only had 80 yards rushing and Vrabel is too smart of a coach to not flood the middle and do what NE always did...take away the team's #1 weapon. They are #2 in run defense and took away Kittle. That's what they do. That's just not a good matchup for our winning formula.

But overall, I agree with your premise.

As to Jimmy, totally agreed. He's as bipolar as it gets at times.

But this is where Kyle needs to read his own QB. If Bad Jimmy is rearing his ugly head (it showed early), get back to the quick slants, screens, check downs, running game, etc. until he's recalibrated. We all could see it but he can't?

Got to disagree on part of this. Play-action works whether or not the run is working.

https://weeklyspiral.com/2021/10/29/play-action-passing-is-the-best-play-in-football/

It can but Wilson only had 45 yards rushing and were weren't stretchimg them and I didn't see too many defenders biting too much. They seemed a bit more disciplined than some we've faced. They did seem fooled on the naked boots though.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by SisterFister:
I'm sick and tired of people talking about the other problems with this team other than Jimmy. Saying, well Jimmy isn't the only reason we lost. NO s**t! Every team has something wrong with them. Every single one. We could sit here all day and pick apart the Rams, Cardinals, Packers, Bucs, Chiefs…etc. They all have weaknesses.

The reason why these teams are actually contenders for the SB despite the weaknesses of their rosters is because of the Quarterbacks. That's it. It's that easy.

Stability at the QB position for this team as constructed is the difference between being 8-7 now and leading this division with 11 wins.

Jimmy G is what is holding this team back from being a contender. End of discussion.

So your contention is the 49ers have a Super Bowl caliber defense?

OK.

If they had a legitimate franchise QB, I say they do.

Despite our QB giving them short fields to defend, our defense is still only 2 spots behind the Bucs' defense in points (17 and 15 respectfully), and 4th in yards. The defense is not great. But it's good. And last night showed exactly what happens when your QB is garbage but you have a good defense: defense starts out utterly DOMINATING. Then they get gassed and demoralized from their QB handing a win to the opponent on a silver platter. And then they give up 20 points instead of the shutout they were on their way to pitching.

So yeah, we have a Super Bowl caliber defense. We just don't have a Super Bowl caliber quarterback.

EDIT — this is not to say that Jimmy IS garbage. He WAS garbage yesterday. But in general he's a mediocre QB. He's on Ryan Tannehill's level, incidentally.

Gotta disagree here. This falls into that "transcending QB" category for me. There's very few QB's that are going to transcend all the other real-world team issues we have right now and win a Superbowl. I just don't see it.

Way too many mental errors, lack of discipline, special teams, home issues, defense, pass protection when predictable, critical injuries at critical positions, etc.

But that's cool if you think we're just a slightly better QB away from winning a Superbowl. Obviously I hope you're right!

Originally posted by NCommand:
Gotta disagree here. This falls into that "transcending QB" category for me. There's very few QB's that are going to transcend all the other real-world team issues we have right now and win a Superbowl. I just don't see it.

Way too many mental errors, lack of discipline, special teams, home issues, defense, pass protection when predictable, critical injuries at critical positions, etc.

But that's cool if you think we're just a slightly better QB away from winning a Superbowl. Obviously I hope you're right!

The QB is what gets every team going. Especially us. How can you not see that ?

We we're about to stomp these sorry ass Titans.. until Jimmy wanted to get cute.. but ended up s**tting his shorts... get that 2nd TD, hit Juice for the other TD.. if those all connect the game is a different story.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by SisterFister:
I'm sick and tired of people talking about the other problems with this team other than Jimmy. Saying, well Jimmy isn't the only reason we lost. NO s**t! Every team has something wrong with them. Every single one. We could sit here all day and pick apart the Rams, Cardinals, Packers, Bucs, Chiefs…etc. They all have weaknesses.

The reason why these teams are actually contenders for the SB despite the weaknesses of their rosters is because of the Quarterbacks. That's it. It's that easy.

Stability at the QB position for this team as constructed is the difference between being 8-7 now and leading this division with 11 wins.

Jimmy G is what is holding this team back from being a contender. End of discussion.

So your contention is the 49ers have a Super Bowl caliber defense?

OK.

If they had a legitimate franchise QB, I say they do.

Despite our QB giving them short fields to defend, our defense is still only 2 spots behind the Bucs' defense in points (17 and 15 respectfully), and 4th in yards. The defense is not great. But it's good. And last night showed exactly what happens when your QB is garbage but you have a good defense: defense starts out utterly DOMINATING. Then they get gassed and demoralized from their QB handing a win to the opponent on a silver platter. And then they give up 20 points instead of the shutout they were on their way to pitching.

So yeah, we have a Super Bowl caliber defense. We just don't have a Super Bowl caliber quarterback.

EDIT — this is not to say that Jimmy IS garbage. He WAS garbage yesterday. But in general he's a mediocre QB. He's on Ryan Tannehill's level, incidentally.

Gotta disagree here. This falls into that "transcending QB" category for me. There's very few QB's that are going to transcend all the other real-world team issues we have right now and win a Superbowl. I just don't see it.

Way too many mental errors, lack of discipline, special teams, home issues, defense, pass protection when predictable, critical injuries at critical positions, etc.

But that's cool if you think we're just a slightly better QB away from winning a Superbowl. Obviously I hope you're right!

a better QB play sure would help.. but it wont help much if our HC can't do his job thoroughly..

defensively, we can't stop a team for 4 quarters.. our CBs are weak and shouldn't be starting, both safeties are good tacklers but they can't cover for crap... that TD to Brown on a simple post pattern, a VERY GOOD SAFETY would have picked that off... that pattern has no right to being ran that deep..

Look how they left a rookie (Ambry) on #11 on a long 3rd and 23.. .all alone.. not even a single help..

IT IS WHAT IT IS... we just aren't a Super Bowl team this year..

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Gotta disagree here. This falls into that "transcending QB" category for me. There's very few QB's that are going to transcend all the other real-world team issues we have right now and win a Superbowl. I just don't see it.

Way too many mental errors, lack of discipline, special teams, home issues, defense, pass protection when predictable, critical injuries at critical positions, etc.

But that's cool if you think we're just a slightly better QB away from winning a Superbowl. Obviously I hope you're right!

The QB is what gets every team going. Especially us. How can you not see that ?

We we're about to stomp these sorry ass Titans.. until Jimmy wanted to get cute.. but ended up s**tting his shorts... get that 2nd TD, hit Juice for the other TD.. if those all connect the game is a different story.

You're using the worst performance of the year to make a point but you're completely missing the overall point.

Do you think a slightly better QB transcends all the current issues with this team and wins us a Superbowl?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Gotta disagree here. This falls into that "transcending QB" category for me. There's very few QB's that are going to transcend all the other real-world team issues we have right now and win a Superbowl. I just don't see it.

Way too many mental errors, lack of discipline, special teams, home issues, defense, pass protection when predictable, critical injuries at critical positions, etc.

But that's cool if you think we're just a slightly better QB away from winning a Superbowl. Obviously I hope you're right!

The QB is what gets every team going. Especially us. How can you not see that ?

We we're about to stomp these sorry ass Titans.. until Jimmy wanted to get cute.. but ended up s**tting his shorts... get that 2nd TD, hit Juice for the other TD.. if those all connect the game is a different story.

You're using the worst performance of the year to make a point but you're completely missing the overall point.

Do you think a slightly better QB transcends all the current issues with this team and wins us a Superbowl?

i didn't miss the point... Our entire team feeds on how our offense does. The Defense can only carry a bad offense for so long, especially when the rules favor the offense big time.

We had no issues on defense until jimmy got scared. You've been watching the game for awhile now.. you should know how momentum works

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by SisterFister:
I'm sick and tired of people talking about the other problems with this team other than Jimmy. Saying, well Jimmy isn't the only reason we lost. NO s**t! Every team has something wrong with them. Every single one. We could sit here all day and pick apart the Rams, Cardinals, Packers, Bucs, Chiefs…etc. They all have weaknesses.

The reason why these teams are actually contenders for the SB despite the weaknesses of their rosters is because of the Quarterbacks. That's it. It's that easy.

Stability at the QB position for this team as constructed is the difference between being 8-7 now and leading this division with 11 wins.

Jimmy G is what is holding this team back from being a contender. End of discussion.

So your contention is the 49ers have a Super Bowl caliber defense?

OK.

If they had a legitimate franchise QB, I say they do.

Despite our QB giving them short fields to defend, our defense is still only 2 spots behind the Bucs' defense in points (17 and 15 respectfully), and 4th in yards. The defense is not great. But it's good. And last night showed exactly what happens when your QB is garbage but you have a good defense: defense starts out utterly DOMINATING. Then they get gassed and demoralized from their QB handing a win to the opponent on a silver platter. And then they give up 20 points instead of the shutout they were on their way to pitching.

So yeah, we have a Super Bowl caliber defense. We just don't have a Super Bowl caliber quarterback.

EDIT — this is not to say that Jimmy IS garbage. He WAS garbage yesterday. But in general he's a mediocre QB. He's on Ryan Tannehill's level, incidentally.

Gotta disagree here. This falls into that "transcending QB" category for me. There's very few QB's that are going to transcend all the other real-world team issues we have right now and win a Superbowl. I just don't see it.

Way too many mental errors, lack of discipline, special teams, home issues, defense, pass protection when predictable, critical injuries at critical positions, etc.

But that's cool if you think we're just a slightly better QB away from winning a Superbowl. Obviously I hope you're right!

a better QB play sure would help.. but it wont help much if our HC can't do his job thoroughly..

defensively, we can't stop a team for 4 quarters.. our CBs are weak and shouldn't be starting, both safeties are good tacklers but they can't cover for crap... that TD to Brown on a simple post pattern, a VERY GOOD SAFETY would have picked that off... that pattern has no right to being ran that deep..

Look how they left a rookie (Ambry) on #11 on a long 3rd and 23.. .all alone.. not even a single help..

IT IS WHAT IT IS... we just aren't a Super Bowl team this year..

Yes our D can't stop another decent team for 4 quarters, although they did in Cin, but can't do it consistently with Rookies in single coverage. Demeco needs to do a better job calling plays and giving safety help.

With that said Jimmy coughed up those turn overs and we had the D playing more reps than they should of and it was a matter of time. 3rd and long to AJ all day with no answer.