SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS at TENNESSEE TITANS - 2021 Game 15

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
If that's the question, then YES! YES!!!! Unequivocally YES!

A slightly better QB means we have at least slightly 11 more points than 17, which means the score is 26-20 when the clock hits zero — and honestly it's probably a lot more than that. It only takes a slightly better QB to see that the corner has underneath leverage on Kittle on that first INT, and only a slightly better QB hits the wide open Juice. Perhaps a slightly better QB throws that second interception, or perhaps the first. But not both.

So yes. A slightly better QB = we win this game, and probably two more, which means we're in the race for the 1 seed right now.

Slight sidetrack here: Mike Vrabel clearly outcoached Shanahan and Kittle. Out in the middle of the field, Vrabel had safeties on Kittle. Down in the red zone, he had a quicker CB on Kittle and Jenkins was able to react faster than a safety and made the pick. Jenkins didn't have leverage on Kittle, he just reacted quicker than Kittle and Garoppolo expected. In the end, the result is the same but the coaching difference is worth noting.

It looked like it from the game film, but that's hard to know until all 22. That said, Vrable putting a CB on Kittle and double teaming him is not something Shanahan can or SHOULD coach around. When that happens, it's up to the QUARTERBACK to do this little magical thing called reading the defense, and throw to one of the other targets. But he usually decides where he's throwing pre-snap, and that's one more reason we drafted Trey Lance.

EDIT — Let me add this: the cb DID have leverage on that play. Here's what I mean by that: When you're running a corner-stop, the LAST thing you want, is the DB to have his body open to the QB and the intended target. You want him to flip his hips to chase that corner route. Look at him:



Look how his chest is, how his hips are. The only leverage that would be worse than this for the corner-stop is if he was playing in front of Kittle.

This ball should have never been thrown, and it's not Shanahan's fault, nor is it just an amazing play that the QB couldn't have avoided. The DB did make the play, and it was a good one, but this INT is 100% Jimmy's.

Correct. So is Kittle to sit down right behind him or slide to the gap like Aiyuk?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
If that's the question, then YES! YES!!!! Unequivocally YES!

A slightly better QB means we have at least slightly 11 more points than 17, which means the score is 26-20 when the clock hits zero — and honestly it's probably a lot more than that. It only takes a slightly better QB to see that the corner has underneath leverage on Kittle on that first INT, and only a slightly better QB hits the wide open Juice. Perhaps a slightly better QB throws that second interception, or perhaps the first. But not both.

So yes. A slightly better QB = we win this game, and probably two more, which means we're in the race for the 1 seed right now.

Slight sidetrack here: Mike Vrabel clearly outcoached Shanahan and Kittle. Out in the middle of the field, Vrabel had safeties on Kittle. Down in the red zone, he had a quicker CB on Kittle and Jenkins was able to react faster than a safety and made the pick. Jenkins didn't have leverage on Kittle, he just reacted quicker than Kittle and Garoppolo expected. In the end, the result is the same but the coaching difference is worth noting.

It looked like it from the game film, but that's hard to know until all 22. That said, Vrable putting a CB on Kittle and double teaming him is not something Shanahan can or SHOULD coach around. When that happens, it's up to the QUARTERBACK to do this little magical thing called reading the defense, and throw to one of the other targets. But he usually decides where he's throwing pre-snap, and that's one more reason we drafted Trey Lance.

EDIT — Let me add this: the cb DID have leverage on that play. Here's what I mean by that: When you're running a corner-stop, the LAST thing you want, is the DB to have his body open to the QB and the intended target. You want him to flip his hips to chase that corner route. Look at him:



Look how his chest is, how his hips are. The only leverage that would be worse than this for the corner-stop is if he was playing in front of Kittle.

This ball should have never been thrown, and it's not Shanahan's fault, nor is it just an amazing play that the QB couldn't have avoided. The DB did make the play, and it was a good one, but this INT is 100% Jimmy's.

Correct. So is Kittle to sit down right behind him or slide to the gap like Aiyuk?

Losing your step, ball should have gone into the stands

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
(1) That doesn't apply to this discussion, because, when the team has been injured to high heaven, JIMMY was also injured!

(2) What excuse did I make for Mahomes? I just pointed out that his worst output of his career was better than Jimmy's best season.

That's still not the degree to which Brady had his entire starting skill players out save one person. It's a matter of degree, not kind.
Not a "QB-centric" offense? Who was it that mentioned "themes of the week?" You got to be kidding me. The entire NFL calls this offense extremely QB friendly, if the QB can learn the complexities of the verbiage. How in the world is simply needing the QB to convert short third downs not QB-centric?

Do you just mean volume? The reason this passing offense has low volume is because if it had high volume Jimmy would consistently hand the game over to the other team. That's why it's so incredibly QB-friendly, where all the QB has to do is not throw inexplicable interceptions.

1. 2019 we were the 6th least healthiest team. We currently are dead last of lost games with the projected starters. See...this is just normal for us. 32 players already on I.R. this year. 45 last year.

2. Again, that's because of the type of offense they run and and their philosophy with that QB. Those are QB-centric offenses. This is a RB-centric offense and it was constructed that way on purpose.

Like I said, this won't change when Trey steps in. You seem to think it'll change drastically to a QB-centric offense like Brady/Mahomes. Nope.

Apples and oranges in construct, philosophy and focus. This leads you and others to have very unrealistic expectations for the QB's here.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
If that's the question, then YES! YES!!!! Unequivocally YES!

A slightly better QB means we have at least slightly 11 more points than 17, which means the score is 26-20 when the clock hits zero — and honestly it's probably a lot more than that. It only takes a slightly better QB to see that the corner has underneath leverage on Kittle on that first INT, and only a slightly better QB hits the wide open Juice. Perhaps a slightly better QB throws that second interception, or perhaps the first. But not both.

So yes. A slightly better QB = we win this game, and probably two more, which means we're in the race for the 1 seed right now.

Slight sidetrack here: Mike Vrabel clearly outcoached Shanahan and Kittle. Out in the middle of the field, Vrabel had safeties on Kittle. Down in the red zone, he had a quicker CB on Kittle and Jenkins was able to react faster than a safety and made the pick. Jenkins didn't have leverage on Kittle, he just reacted quicker than Kittle and Garoppolo expected. In the end, the result is the same but the coaching difference is worth noting.

It looked like it from the game film, but that's hard to know until all 22. That said, Vrable putting a CB on Kittle and double teaming him is not something Shanahan can or SHOULD coach around. When that happens, it's up to the QUARTERBACK to do this little magical thing called reading the defense, and throw to one of the other targets. But he usually decides where he's throwing pre-snap, and that's one more reason we drafted Trey Lance.

EDIT — Let me add this: the cb DID have leverage on that play. Here's what I mean by that: When you're running a corner-stop, the LAST thing you want, is the DB to have his body open to the QB and the intended target. You want him to flip his hips to chase that corner route. Look at him:



Look how his chest is, how his hips are. The only leverage that would be worse than this for the corner-stop is if he was playing in front of Kittle.

This ball should have never been thrown, and it's not Shanahan's fault, nor is it just an amazing play that the QB couldn't have avoided. The DB did make the play, and it was a good one, but this INT is 100% Jimmy's.

Correct. So is Kittle to sit down right behind him or slide to the gap like Aiyuk?

Losing your step, ball should have gone into the stands

That's a different topic but that's correct. Check down or throw away esp. in FG range already.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Do you just mean volume? The reason this passing offense has low volume is because if it had high volume Jimmy would consistently hand the game over to the other team. That's why it's so incredibly QB-friendly, where all the QB has to do is not throw inexplicable interceptions.

When nfl teams play, there are a few plays that make a difference. We are good team, but 75 percent of the teams in the nfl are pretty good.

Last night, that pick in the end zone ruined the domination of the team in the first half. It took away a touch down and completely swung momentum to the Titans. Their defense was reeling and tired before that play.

The second interception zapped us. It completely killed our offensive mojo and you can literally see our offense, especially Deebo, trying to light a fire after that point after every positive play. But it wasn't enough.

I really wanted Kyle to put in Trey after that second interception. He would have added a little more nuance to the run game after it started to dry up and allowed us more opportunity to keep the offense in the field.

I believe getting Trey snaps in moments when Jimmy starts looking lost in the pocket will give Trey some confidence heading into the playoffs, and throttle back Jimmys head when he start sailing balls under pressure. Keep the defense off balance. Come playoff time, we are going to need the run game. And every game we play cannot come down to "I hope Jimmy doesn't screw this up!" I had that thought the whole night last night. We looked like the better team, and Jimmy showed up.

we gotta develop better coverage schemes and angles in our pass defense as well. Why are nfl corners bailing deep in coverage with their back to the receiver!?

Originally posted by leonbanton:
When nfl teams play, there are a few plays that make a difference. We are good team, but 75 percent of the teams in the nfl are pretty good.

Last night, that pick in the end zone ruined the domination of the team in the first half. It took away a touch down and completely swung momentum to the Titans. Their defense was reeling and tired before that play.

The second interception zapped us. It completely killed our offensive mojo and you can literally see our offense, especially Deebo, trying to light a fire after that point after every positive play. But it wasn't enough.

I really wanted Kyle to put in Trey after that second interception. He would have added a little more nuance to the run game after it started to dry up and allowed us more opportunity to keep the offense in the field.

I believe getting Trey snaps in moments when Jimmy starts looking lost in the pocket will give Trey some confidence heading into the playoffs, and throttle back Jimmys head when he start sailing balls under pressure. Keep the defense off balance. Come playoff time, we are going to need the run game. And every game we play cannot come down to "I hope Jimmy doesn't screw this up!" I had that thought the whole night last night. We looked like the better team, and Jimmy showed up.

we gotta develop better coverage schemes and angles in our pass defense as well. Why are nfl corners bailing deep in coverage with their back to the receiver!?

Jimmy is dreamy.

do not suggets he has issues.

have you seen that chin???!!!

Originally posted by Deebo:
Jimmy is dreamy.

do not suggets he has issues.

have you seen that chin???!!!

He does seem to be a handsome man, I'd love him as a veteran precensce, long term back up emergency role. 🙂 I like his character role in the team. Wouldn't have a problem with him as a locker room hero. Trey needs some reps before the playoffs

Originally posted by NCommand:
1. 2019 we were the 6th least healthiest team. We currently are dead last of lost games with the projected starters. See...this is just normal for us. 32 players already on I.R. this year. 45 last year.

The IR rules are completely, completely different than 2019 and before due to Covid. You can now take full advantage of IR and bring guys back after a few weeks. It's a new rule you are allowed to now manipulate,...and so it only makes sense to abuse the heck out a monumental new allowance. Would be great if you stop presenting it and using it as incomplete/misinformation.

In a Tuesday memo, the NFL notified all teams that they are permitted to have unlimited players return from the injured reserve list for the 2021 season after missing three games, NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported. Only players on the 53-man roster after Sept. 1 are eligible to be designated for return from IR or the non-football injury list, Pelissero added.

These modifications were first put into effect before the 2020 season to offer more roster flexibility amid the COVID-19 pandemic. Previously, just two players per team were allowed to return to action after being placed on IR, and only after they'd missed eight games.
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-permitting-unlimited-players-to-return-from-injured-reserve-for-2021-season

Other teams have had it worse with injuries and pass catchers,....and the OL blocked fairly well last night,...so I have no clue what this has to with Jimmy and completing passes to Aiyuk, Kittle, and Deebo. They are the main 3 pass catcher, right? They were all healthy. Jeff Wilson was running fine last night, and Deebo was doing his thing in the run game as well. Then we hit some road blocks passing the ball.

WHY we all still crying about the game or Grappy when KS could have done something about it..

The minute it went to 10-10, Baby Face Lance shoulda been warming up..

what do we think about that

Originally posted by 9moon:
WHY we all still crying about the game or Grappy when KS could have done something about it..

The minute it went to 10-10, Baby Face Lance shoulda been warming up..

Lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Wow AJ Brown out here abusing corners!! #noFlag #Titans #49ers @1kalwaysopen_ pic.twitter.com/joBwMcHXrK

— Fantasy Football Guru (@NickP877) December 24, 2021

what do we think about that

NC blames the corner and defense for that

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Wow AJ Brown out here abusing corners!! #noFlag #Titans #49ers @1kalwaysopen_ pic.twitter.com/joBwMcHXrK

— Fantasy Football Guru (@NickP877) December 24, 2021

what do we think about that

Yeah he had 2 blatant pass interference plays. One on the jump ball when it was offsides and this one, which eventually led to touchdowns on both drives. The referees have got to start calling some of these game changing plays.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
If that's the question, then YES! YES!!!! Unequivocally YES!

A slightly better QB means we have at least slightly 11 more points than 17, which means the score is 26-20 when the clock hits zero — and honestly it's probably a lot more than that. It only takes a slightly better QB to see that the corner has underneath leverage on Kittle on that first INT, and only a slightly better QB hits the wide open Juice. Perhaps a slightly better QB throws that second interception, or perhaps the first. But not both.

So yes. A slightly better QB = we win this game, and probably two more, which means we're in the race for the 1 seed right now.

Slight sidetrack here: Mike Vrabel clearly outcoached Shanahan and Kittle. Out in the middle of the field, Vrabel had safeties on Kittle. Down in the red zone, he had a quicker CB on Kittle and Jenkins was able to react faster than a safety and made the pick. Jenkins didn't have leverage on Kittle, he just reacted quicker than Kittle and Garoppolo expected. In the end, the result is the same but the coaching difference is worth noting.

It looked like it from the game film, but that's hard to know until all 22. That said, Vrable putting a CB on Kittle and double teaming him is not something Shanahan can or SHOULD coach around. When that happens, it's up to the QUARTERBACK to do this little magical thing called reading the defense, and throw to one of the other targets. But he usually decides where he's throwing pre-snap, and that's one more reason we drafted Trey Lance.

EDIT — Let me add this: the cb DID have leverage on that play. Here's what I mean by that: When you're running a corner-stop, the LAST thing you want, is the DB to have his body open to the QB and the intended target. You want him to flip his hips to chase that corner route. Look at him:



Look how his chest is, how his hips are. The only leverage that would be worse than this for the corner-stop is if he was playing in front of Kittle.

This ball should have never been thrown, and it's not Shanahan's fault, nor is it just an amazing play that the QB couldn't have avoided. The DB did make the play, and it was a good one, but this INT is 100% Jimmy's.

Correct. So is Kittle to sit down right behind him or slide to the gap like Aiyuk?

No, it's a corner-stop. Kittle ran the right route. But sometimes routes are covered, and the QB needs to throw elsewhere, throw it away, scramble, or take a sack.