SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS at TENNESSEE TITANS - 2021 Game 15

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
To be fair, Jimmy's crappy play somewhere in the second quarter on was partially caused by injury.

But that overthrow to Juice, and the first pick, were before the injury, so he only gets so much slack for that performance. Moreover, if he knew he couldn't throw as well, damn it he should have taken himself out of the game! But again, sometimes you don't realize it with all that adrenaline. I mean, he knew he was hurt, but he might have underestimated how it affected his passing.

Agreed on all accounts. The injury wasn't until the 4:00 mark of the 2Q. Bad Jimmy reared his ugly head after 8 for 8 Good Jimmy.

Props for toughing it out and leading to a game tying TD but when did Kyle know? 3 yard QB sneak through a pile of defenders at the end of 2Q? Not smart. First play call coming out cold is a 15 yarder between two defenders to a 5'10" WR? Not smart. Continue to stay with the pass? Not smart. Bad Jimmy rearing his ugly head + Injured Jimmy but don't change anything? Not smart.

Either Kyle didn't fully know the scope of the injury or that was very poor coaching. And neither would surprise me.

I am so confused lol...you watched the game twice? Then can you at least stay consistent on what you're saying?

Here you are saying that Kyle didn't change his gameplan enough and he should've, and not stay with the pass so much, but in another thread you agree with a guy saying that Kyle changed the game plan and became way more conservative.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/187983-head-coach-kyle-shanahan-thread/page2611/

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
To be fair, Jimmy's crappy play somewhere in the second quarter on was partially caused by injury.

But that overthrow to Juice, and the first pick, were before the injury, so he only gets so much slack for that performance. Moreover, if he knew he couldn't throw as well, damn it he should have taken himself out of the game! But again, sometimes you don't realize it with all that adrenaline. I mean, he knew he was hurt, but he might have underestimated how it affected his passing.

Agreed on all accounts. The injury wasn't until the 4:00 mark of the 2Q. Bad Jimmy reared his ugly head after 8 for 8 Good Jimmy.

Props for toughing it out and leading to a game tying TD but when did Kyle know? 3 yard QB sneak through a pile of defenders at the end of 2Q? Not smart. First play call coming out cold is a 15 yarder between two defenders to a 5'10" WR? Not smart. Continue to stay with the pass? Not smart. Bad Jimmy rearing his ugly head + Injured Jimmy but don't change anything? Not smart.

Either Kyle didn't fully know the scope of the injury or that was very poor coaching. And neither would surprise me.

I am so confused lol...you watched the game twice? Then can you at least stay consistent on what you're saying?

Here you are saying that Kyle didn't change his gameplan enough and he should've, and not stay with the pass so much, but in another thread you agree with a guy saying that Kyle changed the game plan and became way more conservative.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/187983-head-coach-kyle-shanahan-thread/page2611/

Huh? One guy is speaking about Kyle's tendencies over all. I'm talking about what Kyle knew or didn't know post injury and if he should have adjusted based on the injury THIS GAME.

PS: I was for not being aggressive at the end of the 2Q because Bad Jimmy was present. He went conservative there. That's OK...but then he runs a 3 yard QB sneak with a QB with a busted up thumb through a wall of big bodies. He's lucky as hell he didn't fumble it there like he just did on the sack-injury. This could easily have defeated the very purpose of being conservative...not turning it over to them with time.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
To be fair, Jimmy's crappy play somewhere in the second quarter on was partially caused by injury.

But that overthrow to Juice, and the first pick, were before the injury, so he only gets so much slack for that performance. Moreover, if he knew he couldn't throw as well, damn it he should have taken himself out of the game! But again, sometimes you don't realize it with all that adrenaline. I mean, he knew he was hurt, but he might have underestimated how it affected his passing.

Agreed on all accounts. The injury wasn't until the 4:00 mark of the 2Q. Bad Jimmy reared his ugly head after 8 for 8 Good Jimmy.

Props for toughing it out and leading to a game tying TD but when did Kyle know? 3 yard QB sneak through a pile of defenders at the end of 2Q? Not smart. First play call coming out cold is a 15 yarder between two defenders to a 5'10" WR? Not smart. Continue to stay with the pass? Not smart. Bad Jimmy rearing his ugly head + Injured Jimmy but don't change anything? Not smart.

Either Kyle didn't fully know the scope of the injury or that was very poor coaching. And neither would surprise me.

I am so confused lol...you watched the game twice? Then can you at least stay consistent on what you're saying?

Here you are saying that Kyle didn't change his gameplan enough and he should've, and not stay with the pass so much, but in another thread you agree with a guy saying that Kyle changed the game plan and became way more conservative.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/187983-head-coach-kyle-shanahan-thread/page2611/

Huh? One guy is speaking about Kyle's tendencies over all. I'm talking about what Kyle knew or didn't know post injury and if he should have adjusted based on the injury THIS GAME.

PS: I was for not being aggressive at the end of the 2Q because Bad Jimmy was present. He went conservative there. That's OK...but then he runs a 3 yard QB sneak with a QB with a busted up thumb through a wall of big bodies. He's lucky as hell he didn't fumble it there like he just did on the sack-injury. This could easily have defeated the very purpose of being conservative...not turning it over to them with time.

I highly doubt Kyle or Jimmy knew the severity of the injury. That's not an injury a doctor can diagnose from the sideline without doing and MRI or whatever else. We've seen it hundreds of times players playing through an injury during a game, only to realize after the game how bad it was and they go on IR.

The injury did affect him in the 2nd half, I don't think he would've played that poorly if it wasn't for that.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
How is it poor coaching when your player claims he's good to go, and the bad play we saw started well before the injury?

Even more so a reason to change up your scheme. We all know what Bad Jimmy looks like after he's rattled (even if it's of his own doing). So add an injury on TOP of that and still run a 3 yard QB sneak? Go with MORE passing in the 2nd half off only 45 total yards rushing by your RB1?

Your inability to see ANYTHING beyond the QB is quite remarkable at this juncture.

I'm also not saying this is ON Kyle either. I'm posing a question as to what he knew, when he knew it and after the 2nd INT, why he did nothing to change it up when he recognized it affected his touch on a 15 yard pass coming in cold out of half time to the team's shortest WR?

Kyle has his own issues too and I'd question his decision making the same like I did with 16 runs by his rookie QB in a loss and if Trey still can't handle an NFL passing game now, I'm going to question Kyle's ability to develop Trey properly to this point.

Aren't you among the very same people who claim Jimmy always bounces back when he throws an interception? Are you changing that story, and now saying it's not reasonable to expect Jimmy to bounce back from an interception?

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
To be fair, Jimmy's crappy play somewhere in the second quarter on was partially caused by injury.

But that overthrow to Juice, and the first pick, were before the injury, so he only gets so much slack for that performance. Moreover, if he knew he couldn't throw as well, damn it he should have taken himself out of the game! But again, sometimes you don't realize it with all that adrenaline. I mean, he knew he was hurt, but he might have underestimated how it affected his passing.

Agreed on all accounts. The injury wasn't until the 4:00 mark of the 2Q. Bad Jimmy reared his ugly head after 8 for 8 Good Jimmy.

Props for toughing it out and leading to a game tying TD but when did Kyle know? 3 yard QB sneak through a pile of defenders at the end of 2Q? Not smart. First play call coming out cold is a 15 yarder between two defenders to a 5'10" WR? Not smart. Continue to stay with the pass? Not smart. Bad Jimmy rearing his ugly head + Injured Jimmy but don't change anything? Not smart.

Either Kyle didn't fully know the scope of the injury or that was very poor coaching. And neither would surprise me.

I am so confused lol...you watched the game twice? Then can you at least stay consistent on what you're saying?

Here you are saying that Kyle didn't change his gameplan enough and he should've, and not stay with the pass so much, but in another thread you agree with a guy saying that Kyle changed the game plan and became way more conservative.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/187983-head-coach-kyle-shanahan-thread/page2611/

Huh? One guy is speaking about Kyle's tendencies over all. I'm talking about what Kyle knew or didn't know post injury and if he should have adjusted based on the injury THIS GAME.

PS: I was for not being aggressive at the end of the 2Q because Bad Jimmy was present. He went conservative there. That's OK...but then he runs a 3 yard QB sneak with a QB with a busted up thumb through a wall of big bodies. He's lucky as hell he didn't fumble it there like he just did on the sack-injury. This could easily have defeated the very purpose of being conservative...not turning it over to them with time.

I highly doubt Kyle or Jimmy knew the severity of the injury. That's not an injury a doctor can diagnose from the sideline without doing and MRI or whatever else. We've seen it hundreds of times players playing through an injury during a game, only to realize after the game how bad it was and they go on IR.

The injury did affect him in the 2nd half, I don't think he would've played that poorly if it wasn't for that.

That's kind of been my take too. Adrenaline. Kyle asks if he can go and of course he'll say, yes, Kyle keeps the game plan as is. Medical staff give the green light in an important game. Later, find out it was much more serious. 49er career over.

I was just wondering others take on it from a coaching and medical perspective.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Aren't you among the very same people who claim Jimmy always bounces back when he throws an interception? Are you changing that story, and now saying it's not reasonable to expect Jimmy to bounce back from an interception?

He certainly had that mantra early in his career here. But not this year. He's replaced that with clutch points instead.

jimmy can say hes confident all he wants, if he aint practicin he aint playin

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
To be fair, Jimmy's crappy play somewhere in the second quarter on was partially caused by injury.

But that overthrow to Juice, and the first pick, were before the injury, so he only gets so much slack for that performance. Moreover, if he knew he couldn't throw as well, damn it he should have taken himself out of the game! But again, sometimes you don't realize it with all that adrenaline. I mean, he knew he was hurt, but he might have underestimated how it affected his passing.

Agreed on all accounts. The injury wasn't until the 4:00 mark of the 2Q. Bad Jimmy reared his ugly head after 8 for 8 Good Jimmy.

Props for toughing it out and leading to a game tying TD but when did Kyle know? 3 yard QB sneak through a pile of defenders at the end of 2Q? Not smart. First play call coming out cold is a 15 yarder between two defenders to a 5'10" WR? Not smart. Continue to stay with the pass? Not smart. Bad Jimmy rearing his ugly head + Injured Jimmy but don't change anything? Not smart.

Either Kyle didn't fully know the scope of the injury or that was very poor coaching. And neither would surprise me.

I am so confused lol...you watched the game twice? Then can you at least stay consistent on what you're saying?

Here you are saying that Kyle didn't change his gameplan enough and he should've, and not stay with the pass so much, but in another thread you agree with a guy saying that Kyle changed the game plan and became way more conservative.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/187983-head-coach-kyle-shanahan-thread/page2611/

Huh? One guy is speaking about Kyle's tendencies over all. I'm talking about what Kyle knew or didn't know post injury and if he should have adjusted based on the injury THIS GAME.

PS: I was for not being aggressive at the end of the 2Q because Bad Jimmy was present. He went conservative there. That's OK...but then he runs a 3 yard QB sneak with a QB with a busted up thumb through a wall of big bodies. He's lucky as hell he didn't fumble it there like he just did on the sack-injury. This could easily have defeated the very purpose of being conservative...not turning it over to them with time.

I highly doubt Kyle or Jimmy knew the severity of the injury. That's not an injury a doctor can diagnose from the sideline without doing and MRI or whatever else. We've seen it hundreds of times players playing through an injury during a game, only to realize after the game how bad it was and they go on IR.

The injury did affect him in the 2nd half, I don't think he would've played that poorly if it wasn't for that.

I injured a finger dirt bike riding Christmas day. I rode it till the end of the group ride. It was a little sore but I could still ride as normal. Once my hand cooled off over the ride and the swelling came in I couldn't make a fist anymore. It is still injured and I could not hold onto a handle bar and ride yet. Maybe in a few days, maybe in a week.

The thing is with hand injuries and other strains is you can keep doing what you are doing until the swelling sets in. Unless of course it is a serious fracture or serious tear. JG's thumb got worse when the swelling set in. It may or may not stop hurting enough for him to play Sunday but I think he will miss the game and be Okay to start against the Rams. Him starting again will depend on how well Trey plays. If Trey steps up JG will be on the bench.

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
To be fair, Jimmy's crappy play somewhere in the second quarter on was partially caused by injury.

But that overthrow to Juice, and the first pick, were before the injury, so he only gets so much slack for that performance. Moreover, if he knew he couldn't throw as well, damn it he should have taken himself out of the game! But again, sometimes you don't realize it with all that adrenaline. I mean, he knew he was hurt, but he might have underestimated how it affected his passing.

Agreed on all accounts. The injury wasn't until the 4:00 mark of the 2Q. Bad Jimmy reared his ugly head after 8 for 8 Good Jimmy.

Props for toughing it out and leading to a game tying TD but when did Kyle know? 3 yard QB sneak through a pile of defenders at the end of 2Q? Not smart. First play call coming out cold is a 15 yarder between two defenders to a 5'10" WR? Not smart. Continue to stay with the pass? Not smart. Bad Jimmy rearing his ugly head + Injured Jimmy but don't change anything? Not smart.

Either Kyle didn't fully know the scope of the injury or that was very poor coaching. And neither would surprise me.

I am so confused lol...you watched the game twice? Then can you at least stay consistent on what you're saying?

Here you are saying that Kyle didn't change his gameplan enough and he should've, and not stay with the pass so much, but in another thread you agree with a guy saying that Kyle changed the game plan and became way more conservative.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/187983-head-coach-kyle-shanahan-thread/page2611/

Huh? One guy is speaking about Kyle's tendencies over all. I'm talking about what Kyle knew or didn't know post injury and if he should have adjusted based on the injury THIS GAME.

PS: I was for not being aggressive at the end of the 2Q because Bad Jimmy was present. He went conservative there. That's OK...but then he runs a 3 yard QB sneak with a QB with a busted up thumb through a wall of big bodies. He's lucky as hell he didn't fumble it there like he just did on the sack-injury. This could easily have defeated the very purpose of being conservative...not turning it over to them with time.

I highly doubt Kyle or Jimmy knew the severity of the injury. That's not an injury a doctor can diagnose from the sideline without doing and MRI or whatever else. We've seen it hundreds of times players playing through an injury during a game, only to realize after the game how bad it was and they go on IR.

The injury did affect him in the 2nd half, I don't think he would've played that poorly if it wasn't for that.

I injured a finger dirt bike riding Christmas day. I rode it till the end of the group ride. It was a little sore but I could still ride as normal. Once my hand cooled off over the ride and the swelling came in I couldn't make a fist anymore. It is still injured and I could not hold onto a handle bar and ride yet. Maybe in a few days, maybe in a week.

The thing is with hand injuries and other strains is you can keep doing what you are doing until the swelling sets in. Unless of course it is a serious fracture or serious tear. JG's thumb got worse when the swelling set in. It may or may not stop hurting enough for him to play Sunday but I think he will miss the game and be Okay to start against the Rams. Him starting again will depend on how well Trey plays. If Trey steps up JG will be on the bench.

The problem is, you shoudn't have stopped riding