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What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Phoenix said "Any team trading for Garoppolo is likely to see him as a short-term stop-gap until they can develop a younger passer."

That's why I asked the question about extending his contract. It seemed like those two statements simultaneously contradict each other.

Why wouldn't a team sign a FA over Jimmy G if they're looking for a stop gap since they wouldn't have to trade picks and their plan would be to move on in year 2 or 3 anyway?

Im not arguing no one will want Jimmy g for multiple years like how you're framing it.

Because they may not be drafting a QB this year or next year. Eventually they are going to find a young passer that they like but until that happens, a team can do far worse than Garoppolo. The worst thing you can do is draft a QB, any QB, just because you need one. If you have a steady veteran in there who has shown that he can win some big games, there's less pressure to reach for a QB in the draft.

I guess we're arguing semantics then cause I assume a stop gap means 1-1.5 years of starting tops.

A stop gap to me means that you would draft a rookie the same offseason.

Like I would say that Hoyer was a stop gap but Wentz wasn't. 3-4 years is long term imo.

I could be way off here but that's how I've always viewed the term.
Timing is everything,

salary cap just went up, weak draft class for QB's.

Not many proven winners out there on the market, Jimmy will come reasonably priced and there's a lot of need and some desperate GM's and Head coaches.

NFC South
WFT
NYG
Detroit
Pitt
Browns
Denver
Colts
Texans

Personally I think the Panthers, WFT, Pitt, Browns and Denver are all in play.

can't think of 5 better options for a team built to win now.
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just spit balling, but a team without a clear direction on their QBOTF might extend his deal by say three years.

re-work to put a lot of cash up front and maybe an out clause in year 4
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Just your friendly reminder that:

-Sam Darnold was 23 years old when the trade was completed. He was believed to still have promise/upside.

-NFL franchises are arrogant. It doesnt matter that Darnold sucked for the Jets. NFL teams believe they are smarter/better coached than other teams.

You tell people to come back to reality, but you ignore the reality of this Darnold situation.

The reality is that the Sam Darnold trade is a maket-setter.

That is the reality that you, and others, need to understand.

The reasons "why" Darnold was traded ultimately doesn't matter. Danold was TRASH pre- and post-trade.

So if TRASH gets traded for a 2nd, 4th, and 6th, what does an above average QB who's been to a Super Bowl and NFC Championship game fetch?

If I was Paraag or John, shouldnt be less than that.
Originally posted by Blake_Fever:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Just your friendly reminder that:

-Sam Darnold was 23 years old when the trade was completed. He was believed to still have promise/upside.

-NFL franchises are arrogant. It doesnt matter that Darnold sucked for the Jets. NFL teams believe they are smarter/better coached than other teams.

You tell people to come back to reality, but you ignore the reality of this Darnold situation.

The reality is that the Sam Darnold trade is a maket-setter.

That is the reality that you, and others, need to understand.

The reasons "why" Darnold was traded ultimately doesn't matter. Danold was TRASH pre- and post-trade.

So if TRASH gets traded for a 2nd, 4th, and 6th, what does an above average QB who's been to a Super Bowl and NFC Championship game fetch?

If I was Paraag or John, shouldnt be less than that.

And I am sure that they will push for that or more. All I am saying is that theres a lot more that goes into evaluating two QBs against each other than just "who is better."

Didnt think this needed to be said but theres a huge difference between a 24 year old and a 31 year old.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
And I am sure that they will push for that or more. All I am saying is that theres a lot more that goes into evaluating two QBs against each other than just "who is better."

Didnt think this needed to be said but theres a huge difference between a 24 year old and a 31 year old.

Age does not matters if the talent isn't there.

Not POTENTIAL, talent.

Jake Fromm, Ian Book, and Sam Ehlinger are all 23. Does that make them more valuable than Jimmy?
[ Edited by Blake_Fever on Feb 1, 2022 at 1:56 PM ]
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Blake_Fever:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Just your friendly reminder that:

-Sam Darnold was 23 years old when the trade was completed. He was believed to still have promise/upside.

-NFL franchises are arrogant. It doesnt matter that Darnold sucked for the Jets. NFL teams believe they are smarter/better coached than other teams.

You tell people to come back to reality, but you ignore the reality of this Darnold situation.

The reality is that the Sam Darnold trade is a maket-setter.

That is the reality that you, and others, need to understand.

The reasons "why" Darnold was traded ultimately doesn't matter. Danold was TRASH pre- and post-trade.

So if TRASH gets traded for a 2nd, 4th, and 6th, what does an above average QB who's been to a Super Bowl and NFC Championship game fetch?

If I was Paraag or John, shouldnt be less than that.

And I am sure that they will push for that or more. All I am saying is that theres a lot more that goes into evaluating two QBs against each other than just "who is better."

Didnt think this needed to be said but theres a huge difference between a 24 year old and a 31 year old.

JG is 30 and he will be 30 on opening day. No need to change peoples age to make your case. Just the facts.
His value will depend of if John and Kyle can create a bidding war. If they can get multiple teams interested the value goes up.
Originally posted by Ninerlakerdodger:
Timing is everything,

salary cap just went up, weak draft class for QB's.

Not many proven winners out there on the market, Jimmy will come reasonably priced and there's a lot of need and some desperate GM's and Head coaches.

NFC South
WFT
NYG
Detroit
Pitt
Browns
Denver
Colts
Texans

Personally I think the Panthers, WFT, Pitt, Browns and Denver are all in play.

can't think of 5 better options for a team built to win now.

He'll nominate his team of choice and they'll get a deal done.

JG has been the ultimate pro this season and taken Lance under his wing. He could've been a cancer but he wasn't so I expect Lynch will make sure he is looked after. JG is also loved in the locker room so zero chance he is shafted.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
I guess we're arguing semantics then cause I assume a stop gap means 1-1.5 years of starting tops.

A stop gap to me means that you would draft a rookie the same offseason.

Like I would say that Hoyer was a stop gap but Wentz wasn't. 3-4 years is long term imo.

I could be way off here but that's how I've always viewed the term.

A stopgap this year is much different than a stopgap last season. With only mediocre to modest talent coming out this year, it is unlikely anyone will see any of this crop as the FQB for the future. So, they will wait until the 2023 draft to pick that guy. In that scenario, Garoppolo will be a 2-2.5+ year starter/stopgap.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Blake_Fever:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Just your friendly reminder that:

-Sam Darnold was 23 years old when the trade was completed. He was believed to still have promise/upside.

-NFL franchises are arrogant. It doesnt matter that Darnold sucked for the Jets. NFL teams believe they are smarter/better coached than other teams.

You tell people to come back to reality, but you ignore the reality of this Darnold situation.

The reality is that the Sam Darnold trade is a maket-setter.

That is the reality that you, and others, need to understand.

The reasons "why" Darnold was traded ultimately doesn't matter. Danold was TRASH pre- and post-trade.

So if TRASH gets traded for a 2nd, 4th, and 6th, what does an above average QB who's been to a Super Bowl and NFC Championship game fetch?

If I was Paraag or John, shouldnt be less than that.

And I am sure that they will push for that or more. All I am saying is that theres a lot more that goes into evaluating two QBs against each other than just "who is better."

Didnt think this needed to be said but theres a huge difference between a 24 year old and a 31 year old.

JG is 30 and he will be 30 on opening day. No need to change peoples age to make your case. Just the facts.

Next year is Jimmy's age 31 season. Just like this year was Darnold's age 24 season. The accusation of changing their ages to state my case is absolutely laughable.
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Originally posted by 4thandlong:
Originally posted by Ninerlakerdodger:
Timing is everything,

salary cap just went up, weak draft class for QB's.

Not many proven winners out there on the market, Jimmy will come reasonably priced and there's a lot of need and some desperate GM's and Head coaches.

NFC South
WFT
NYG
Detroit
Pitt
Browns
Denver
Colts
Texans

Personally I think the Panthers, WFT, Pitt, Browns and Denver are all in play.

can't think of 5 better options for a team built to win now.

He'll nominate his team of choice and they'll get a deal done.

JG has been the ultimate pro this season and taken Lance under his wing. He could've been a cancer but he wasn't so I expect Lynch will make sure he is looked after. JG is also loved in the locker room so zero chance he is shafted.
Lance could also have been a huge "cancer" to Jimmy. They both handled things well.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Still looking at a Wentz type deal for me, 2nd or 3rd this year, conditional next year depending on several things. Can't believe Colts didn't include them making the playoffs, but I would with Jimmy.

Playoffs/Division crown, 75% of snaps = 1st, otherwise 2nd or 3rd

Carson Wentz had an MVP caliber year in his 2nd year. I have seen many people make the claim that we should get the same as the Eagles did for Wentz. I never understood that.

Sure, but the year before the trade he was dogsh*t, and the year before only slightly better.

Someone could just as easily fall for Jimmy's win %

For me it needs to be a good team with a bad QB, but I could see it happening.
Originally posted by NDSU:
Originally posted by 4thandlong:
Originally posted by Ninerlakerdodger:
Timing is everything,

salary cap just went up, weak draft class for QB's.

Not many proven winners out there on the market, Jimmy will come reasonably priced and there's a lot of need and some desperate GM's and Head coaches.

NFC South
WFT
NYG
Detroit
Pitt
Browns
Denver
Colts
Texans

Personally I think the Panthers, WFT, Pitt, Browns and Denver are all in play.

can't think of 5 better options for a team built to win now.

He'll nominate his team of choice and they'll get a deal done.

JG has been the ultimate pro this season and taken Lance under his wing. He could've been a cancer but he wasn't so I expect Lynch will make sure he is looked after. JG is also loved in the locker room so zero chance he is shafted.
Lance could also have been a huge "cancer" to Jimmy. They both handled things well.

Both of these!
It's a good year for a weaker QB class.
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