What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by Blake_Fever:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
And I am sure that they will push for that or more. All I am saying is that theres a lot more that goes into evaluating two QBs against each other than just "who is better."

Didnt think this needed to be said but theres a huge difference between a 24 year old and a 31 year old.

Age does not matters if the talent isn't there.

Not POTENTIAL, talent.

Jake Fromm, Ian Book, and Sam Ehlinger are all 23. Does that make them more valuable than Jimmy?

Darnold was drafted pretty high bc of potential and talent. Jets franchise was a mess. I can see some teams thinking - he just needs a change of scenery.

Originally posted by evil:
It's a good year for a weaker QB class.

And having Brady and Big Ben retire.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by evil:
It's a good year for a weaker QB class.

And having Brady and Big Ben retire.

Yep.

Btw...what do you guys think of maybe seeking a player instead of draft pick for Jimmy.

For example - Bradley Chubb. In the 2 years he was healthy - he had 19.5 sacks in 30 games. Other 2 years - he had injuries and when he played last year (7 games) - he was not good. But, if you could pair him opposite Bosa - dude is turning 26 this summer and entering his prime - that can potentially payout more than any draft pick could.

Not sure if Denver will do that - but I'd love to pair Bosa with another really good (and potentially elite) end.

Here's a possible scenario:

Dolphins hire Mike McDaniels as their new head coach and package their 1st round pick for Jimmy Garoppolo. Everyone wins!

Makes a lot of sense if you ask me.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Btw...what do you guys think of maybe seeking a player instead of draft pick for Jimmy.

For example - Bradley Chubb. In the 2 years he was healthy - he had 19.5 sacks in 30 games. Other 2 years - he had injuries and when he played last year (7 games) - he was not good. But, if you could pair him opposite Bosa - dude is turning 26 this summer and entering his prime - that can potentially payout more than any draft pick could.

Not sure if Denver will do that - but I'd love to pair Bosa with another really good (and potentially elite) end.

Let's do Chubb and Surtain for Kinlaw and JG. Just bribe whoever is doing the physical and we should be good.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Btw...what do you guys think of maybe seeking a player instead of draft pick for Jimmy.

For example - Bradley Chubb. In the 2 years he was healthy - he had 19.5 sacks in 30 games. Other 2 years - he had injuries and when he played last year (7 games) - he was not good. But, if you could pair him opposite Bosa - dude is turning 26 this summer and entering his prime - that can potentially payout more than any draft pick could.

Not sure if Denver will do that - but I'd love to pair Bosa with another really good (and potentially elite) end.

Let's do Chubb and Surtain for Kinlaw and JG. Just bribe whoever is doing the physical and we should be good.

And Jerry Jeudy for River Cracraft straight up

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Still looking at a Wentz type deal for me, 2nd or 3rd this year, conditional next year depending on several things. Can't believe Colts didn't include them making the playoffs, but I would with Jimmy.

Playoffs/Division crown, 75% of snaps = 1st, otherwise 2nd or 3rd

Carson Wentz had an MVP caliber year in his 2nd year. I have seen many people make the claim that we should get the same as the Eagles did for Wentz. I never understood that.

Sure, but the year before the trade he was dogsh*t, and the year before only slightly better.

Someone could just as easily fall for Jimmy's win %

For me it needs to be a good team with a bad QB, but I could see it happening.

Well, that "only slightly better than dogs**t year" is statistically right around Jimmy G's best year of his career.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Btw...what do you guys think of maybe seeking a player instead of draft pick for Jimmy.

For example - Bradley Chubb. In the 2 years he was healthy - he had 19.5 sacks in 30 games. Other 2 years - he had injuries and when he played last year (7 games) - he was not good. But, if you could pair him opposite Bosa - dude is turning 26 this summer and entering his prime - that can potentially payout more than any draft pick could.

Not sure if Denver will do that - but I'd love to pair Bosa with another really good (and potentially elite) end.

Let's do Chubb and Surtain for Kinlaw and JG. Just bribe whoever is doing the physical and we should be good.

Broncos were pretty frustrated with Chubb last season and there was a lot of talk from the local media that Broncos should move on from Chubb.

Him being in the contract year and this seems like a good year for edge rushers in the draft and with Broncos with s**t load of draft capital - they may very well move on from Chubb.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Btw...what do you guys think of maybe seeking a player instead of draft pick for Jimmy.

For example - Bradley Chubb. In the 2 years he was healthy - he had 19.5 sacks in 30 games. Other 2 years - he had injuries and when he played last year (7 games) - he was not good. But, if you could pair him opposite Bosa - dude is turning 26 this summer and entering his prime - that can potentially payout more than any draft pick could.

Not sure if Denver will do that - but I'd love to pair Bosa with another really good (and potentially elite) end.

Let's do Chubb and Surtain for Kinlaw and JG. Just bribe whoever is doing the physical and we should be good.

And Jerry Jeudy for River Cracraft straight up

I'll throw in a late rd pick. Let's not get too crazy in here.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Still looking at a Wentz type deal for me, 2nd or 3rd this year, conditional next year depending on several things. Can't believe Colts didn't include them making the playoffs, but I would with Jimmy.

Playoffs/Division crown, 75% of snaps = 1st, otherwise 2nd or 3rd

Carson Wentz had an MVP caliber year in his 2nd year. I have seen many people make the claim that we should get the same as the Eagles did for Wentz. I never understood that.

Sure, but the year before the trade he was dogsh*t, and the year before only slightly better.

Someone could just as easily fall for Jimmy's win %

For me it needs to be a good team with a bad QB, but I could see it happening.

Well, that "only slightly better than dogs**t year" is statistically right around Jimmy G's best year of his career.

True, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some will see a QB with mediocre stats, who struggles to push the ball deep and who rode a very good roster to success.

Some will see one of the highest win % of any QB, with a lightning release who can help set a culture.

The latter will pay up, the test will be how many of those are also desperate for a QB.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Blake_Fever:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Just your friendly reminder that:

-Sam Darnold was 23 years old when the trade was completed. He was believed to still have promise/upside.

-NFL franchises are arrogant. It doesnt matter that Darnold sucked for the Jets. NFL teams believe they are smarter/better coached than other teams.

You tell people to come back to reality, but you ignore the reality of this Darnold situation.

The reality is that the Sam Darnold trade is a maket-setter.

That is the reality that you, and others, need to understand.

The reasons "why" Darnold was traded ultimately doesn't matter. Danold was TRASH pre- and post-trade.

So if TRASH gets traded for a 2nd, 4th, and 6th, what does an above average QB who's been to a Super Bowl and NFC Championship game fetch?

If I was Paraag or John, shouldnt be less than that.

And I am sure that they will push for that or more. All I am saying is that theres a lot more that goes into evaluating two QBs against each other than just "who is better."

Didnt think this needed to be said but theres a huge difference between a 24 year old and a 31 year old.

JG is 30 and he will be 30 on opening day. No need to change peoples age to make your case. Just the facts.

Next year is Jimmy's age 31 season. Just like this year was Darnold's age 24 season. The accusation of changing their ages to state my case is absolutely laughable.

The dude is 30 now. He's 30 at the time of the trade if he's dealt this offseason. He's 30 on opening day 2022. I mean you can post he is whatever age you want but doesn't make it correct.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Blake_Fever:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Just your friendly reminder that:

-Sam Darnold was 23 years old when the trade was completed. He was believed to still have promise/upside.

-NFL franchises are arrogant. It doesnt matter that Darnold sucked for the Jets. NFL teams believe they are smarter/better coached than other teams.

You tell people to come back to reality, but you ignore the reality of this Darnold situation.

The reality is that the Sam Darnold trade is a maket-setter.

That is the reality that you, and others, need to understand.

The reasons "why" Darnold was traded ultimately doesn't matter. Danold was TRASH pre- and post-trade.

So if TRASH gets traded for a 2nd, 4th, and 6th, what does an above average QB who's been to a Super Bowl and NFC Championship game fetch?

If I was Paraag or John, shouldnt be less than that.

And I am sure that they will push for that or more. All I am saying is that theres a lot more that goes into evaluating two QBs against each other than just "who is better."

Didnt think this needed to be said but theres a huge difference between a 24 year old and a 31 year old.

JG is 30 and he will be 30 on opening day. No need to change peoples age to make your case. Just the facts.

Next year is Jimmy's age 31 season. Just like this year was Darnold's age 24 season. The accusation of changing their ages to state my case is absolutely laughable.

The dude is 30 now. He's 30 at the time of the trade if he's dealt this offseason. He's 30 on opening day 2022. I mean you can post he is whatever age you want but doesn't make it correct.

LOL ok dude.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Still looking at a Wentz type deal for me, 2nd or 3rd this year, conditional next year depending on several things. Can't believe Colts didn't include them making the playoffs, but I would with Jimmy.

Playoffs/Division crown, 75% of snaps = 1st, otherwise 2nd or 3rd

Carson Wentz had an MVP caliber year in his 2nd year. I have seen many people make the claim that we should get the same as the Eagles did for Wentz. I never understood that.

Sure, but the year before the trade he was dogsh*t, and the year before only slightly better.

Someone could just as easily fall for Jimmy's win %

For me it needs to be a good team with a bad QB, but I could see it happening.

Well, that "only slightly better than dogs**t year" is statistically right around Jimmy G's best year of his career.

True, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some will see a QB with mediocre stats, who struggles to push the ball deep and who rode a very good roster to success.

Some will see one of the highest win % of any QB, with a lightning release who can help set a culture.

The latter will pay up, the test will be how many of those are also desperate for a QB.

Yep. Agreed. And Jimmy will likely be the best of what is available.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Blake_Fever:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Just your friendly reminder that:

-Sam Darnold was 23 years old when the trade was completed. He was believed to still have promise/upside.

-NFL franchises are arrogant. It doesnt matter that Darnold sucked for the Jets. NFL teams believe they are smarter/better coached than other teams.

You tell people to come back to reality, but you ignore the reality of this Darnold situation.

The reality is that the Sam Darnold trade is a maket-setter.

That is the reality that you, and others, need to understand.

The reasons "why" Darnold was traded ultimately doesn't matter. Danold was TRASH pre- and post-trade.

So if TRASH gets traded for a 2nd, 4th, and 6th, what does an above average QB who's been to a Super Bowl and NFC Championship game fetch?

If I was Paraag or John, shouldnt be less than that.

And I am sure that they will push for that or more. All I am saying is that theres a lot more that goes into evaluating two QBs against each other than just "who is better."

Didnt think this needed to be said but theres a huge difference between a 24 year old and a 31 year old.

JG is 30 and he will be 30 on opening day. No need to change peoples age to make your case. Just the facts.

Next year is Jimmy's age 31 season. Just like this year was Darnold's age 24 season. The accusation of changing their ages to state my case is absolutely laughable.

The dude is 30 now. He's 30 at the time of the trade if he's dealt this offseason. He's 30 on opening day 2022. I mean you can post he is whatever age you want but doesn't make it correct.

LOL ok dude.

Dude it's not subjective it's the guys age. It's you vs google on this one and I'm going with google.

Jimmy Garoppolo/Age

30 years