What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Peter King keeps saying first rounder.

Steelers have pick #20 overall - which sounds about right for a starting QB (since they don't quite have any other options). Could be JG + a 4th for pick #20?

Everyone keeps saying Pittsburgh. I do not see it. That is a franchise that values draft picks and builds their team through the draft. And they want a mobile QB.

Because Ben was a mobile QB?
i think Pitt has the offense that fits Jimmy. A run first team that needs a QB to make key throws.

I see also him fitting at Tampa, Denver. I'm not liking him at Oak, and probably not Indy. Maybe Washington.

I think he's a perfect fit in Pittsburg - I think he'd like it there and the Steelers need a vet behind center.

That last play was so bad it was enough to lower his trade value by itself. That's the lasting image the NFL has of Jimmy.

Things have changed since we traded Alex Smith, teams
have even less patience now with coaches and quarterbacks. I don't see owners wanting to potentially waste their time and money on a maybe guy.

The only way I see a team giving up a 1st or a 2nd is if he looks fantastic in his workouts and they attribute his struggles down the stretch completely to his thumb injury.
Otherwise I see us having to throw in a quality starter in a package deal as a sort of insurance for Jimmy G. If I was a GM I'd ask for Greenlaw or Aiyuk in addition to Jimmy.

Keep in mind Shanahan is a respected offensive mind throughout the league. If he can't get Jimmy to the mountain top, why would any other coach wanna take the chance.

I'd be surprised if we got more than a 3rd for him, unless we throw in more.

Originally posted by Faithful4ever:
That last play was so bad it was enough to lower his trade value by itself. That's the lasting image the NFL has of Jimmy.

Things have changed since we traded Alex Smith, teams
have even less patience now with coaches and quarterbacks. I don't see owners wanting to potentially waste their time and money on a maybe guy.

The only way I see a team giving up a 1st or a 2nd is if he looks fantastic in his workouts and they attribute his struggles down the stretch completely to his thumb injury.
Otherwise I see us having to throw in a quality starter in a package deal as a sort of insurance for Jimmy G. If I was a GM I'd ask for Greenlaw or Aiyuk in addition to Jimmy.

Keep in mind Shanahan is a respected offensive mind throughout the league. If he can't get Jimmy to the mountain top, why would any other coach wanna take the chance.

I'd be surprised if we got more than a 3rd for him, unless we throw in more.

The last play shouldn't make a difference - he was desperate and threw the ball under handed. No one is going to knock him for that.

Originally posted by Faithful4ever:
That last play was so bad it was enough to lower his trade value by itself. That's the lasting image the NFL has of Jimmy.

Things have changed since we traded Alex Smith, teams
have even less patience now with coaches and quarterbacks. I don't see owners wanting to potentially waste their time and money on a maybe guy.

The only way I see a team giving up a 1st or a 2nd is if he looks fantastic in his workouts and they attribute his struggles down the stretch completely to his thumb injury.
Otherwise I see us having to throw in a quality starter in a package deal as a sort of insurance for Jimmy G. If I was a GM I'd ask for Greenlaw or Aiyuk in addition to Jimmy.

Keep in mind Shanahan is a respected offensive mind throughout the league. If he can't get Jimmy to the mountain top, why would any other coach wanna take the chance.

I'd be surprised if we got more than a 3rd for him, unless we throw in more.

I think you are being just as irrational as the folks who think a 1 straight up is likely. Greenlaw or Aiyuk would fetch a 2 by themselves. Jimmy plus one of them and I'd want a 1 and another decent pick. Greenlaw could be LB1 for some teams and is absolutely a long term starter on most. Aiyuk is a solid WR that looks to get much better going forward. No way we trade Jimmy and one of them for a 2. Even a 1 and I'd be hesitant unless it's the top end of the first AND there's a handful of CBs or OLs available AND we KNOW we can get one of them. I'm not really a college football guy so I have no idea what the draft looks like until people start putting out analysis videos every year.

I will take Jimmy G to New Orleans for Lattimore trade tomorrow.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:
Listing the teams out, there's going to be a market for Jimmy.
Teams that will be interested if they don't land one of the stud vet QBs (Rodgers, Wilson, Watson). I think these teams feel that with stable QBing, they will be a winning team.
DEN
NO
CLE
PIT

Need a QB, but still rebuilding. Less likely to trade for Jimmy:
WAS
CAR
HOU

Edits?

Denver continues to be at the top of the list because of all the draft picks they have and the cap room. Also, Nathaniel Hackett is from the Shanahan tree.

they will hold out for Rogers. Maybe we can trade him to Vegas and they trade Carr to Pitt?

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Faithful4ever:
That last play was so bad it was enough to lower his trade value by itself. That's the lasting image the NFL has of Jimmy.

Things have changed since we traded Alex Smith, teams
have even less patience now with coaches and quarterbacks. I don't see owners wanting to potentially waste their time and money on a maybe guy.

The only way I see a team giving up a 1st or a 2nd is if he looks fantastic in his workouts and they attribute his struggles down the stretch completely to his thumb injury.
Otherwise I see us having to throw in a quality starter in a package deal as a sort of insurance for Jimmy G. If I was a GM I'd ask for Greenlaw or Aiyuk in addition to Jimmy.

Keep in mind Shanahan is a respected offensive mind throughout the league. If he can't get Jimmy to the mountain top, why would any other coach wanna take the chance.

I'd be surprised if we got more than a 3rd for him, unless we throw in more.

The last play shouldn't make a difference - he was desperate and threw the ball under handed. No one is going to knock him for that.

Lol this. That last play was with heavy pressure in the NFCCG. Teams sniffing for Jimmy would love to make it to a conference championship. Our fans be like 'yeah but Jimmy didn't win the super bowl so trade value ain't there '

Originally posted by walker807:
Lol this. That last play was with heavy pressure in the NFCCG. Teams sniffing for Jimmy would love to make it to a conference championship. Our fans be like 'yeah but Jimmy didn't win the super bowl so trade value ain't there '

SB QBs are worth multiple 1st round picks. Jimmy is a NFCCG QB (as he's made it both years he was healthy). So obviously multiple 1sts is way out of the question.

I've said it several times:
Ceiling: 1st rounder + late round pick or player
Floor: 3rd round pick

It will fall somewhere in between, depending on timing of trade (before/after draft), how Rodgers/Wilson/Watson sagas unfold, general consensus of the QBs in this draft as the process continues.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by walker807:
Lol this. That last play was with heavy pressure in the NFCCG. Teams sniffing for Jimmy would love to make it to a conference championship. Our fans be like 'yeah but Jimmy didn't win the super bowl so trade value ain't there '

SB QBs are worth multiple 1st round picks. Jimmy is a NFCCG QB (as he's made it both years he was healthy). So obviously multiple 1sts is way out of the question.

I've said it several times:
Ceiling: 1st rounder + late round pick or player
Floor: 3rd round pick

It will fall somewhere in between, depending on timing of trade (before/after draft), how Rodgers/Wilson/Watson sagas unfold, general consensus of the QBs in this draft as the process continues.

Yup this makes sense. I could definitely see us sending Jimmy and a 4th to Pitt for example and getting back a 5th and a conditional 1st. Maybe built on winning percentage (essentially top 10 or 15 protected) or based on playing time. Thinking pick 15-45 range.

Edit: It also wouldn't shock me if they get more than that. There really isn't a lot of great options this offseason for QB needy teams. I think we may be underestimating that.

I think Middlekauff is a meathead, but even he says if the 49ers are lucky to get a 4th, they should take it and run.

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by walker807:
Lol this. That last play was with heavy pressure in the NFCCG. Teams sniffing for Jimmy would love to make it to a conference championship. Our fans be like 'yeah but Jimmy didn't win the super bowl so trade value ain't there '

SB QBs are worth multiple 1st round picks. Jimmy is a NFCCG QB (as he's made it both years he was healthy). So obviously multiple 1sts is way out of the question.

I've said it several times:
Ceiling: 1st rounder + late round pick or player
Floor: 3rd round pick

It will fall somewhere in between, depending on timing of trade (before/after draft), how Rodgers/Wilson/Watson sagas unfold, general consensus of the QBs in this draft as the process continues.

Yup this makes sense. I could definitely see us sending Jimmy and a 4th to Pitt for example and getting back a 5th and a conditional 1st. Maybe built on winning percentage (essentially top 10 or 15 protected) or based on playing time. Thinking pick 15-45 range.

Edit: It also wouldn't shock me if they get more than that. There really isn't a lot of great options this offseason for QB needy teams. I think we may be underestimating that.

This 100% works in the 49ers favor.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by thl408:
Listing the teams out, there's going to be a market for Jimmy.
Teams that will be interested if they don't land one of the stud vet QBs (Rodgers, Wilson, Watson). I think these teams feel that with stable QBing, they will be a winning team.
DEN
NO
CLE
PIT

Need a QB, but still rebuilding. Less likely to trade for Jimmy:
WAS
CAR
HOU

Edits?

Add Indy and Tampa as potential buyers.

Depending on Matt Ryan, ATL as well.

Originally posted by FL9er:
I think Middlekauff is a meathead, but even he says if the 49ers are lucky to get a 4th, they should take it and run.

I would have said this earlier this year, but his winning percentage has been steady... I just can't imagine the Niners don't net more than a 4th, considering the weak QB market / draft.

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Peter King keeps saying first rounder.

Steelers have pick #20 overall - which sounds about right for a starting QB (since they don't quite have any other options). Could be JG + a 4th for pick #20?

Everyone keeps saying Pittsburgh. I do not see it. That is a franchise that values draft picks and builds their team through the draft. And they want a mobile QB.

Because Ben was a mobile QB?
i think Pitt has the offense that fits Jimmy. A run first team that needs a QB to make key throws.

I see also him fitting at Tampa, Denver. I'm not liking him at Oak, and probably not Indy. Maybe Washington.

No, because that's what Mike Tomlin said.

https://fansided.com/2022/01/18/steelers-mike-tomlin-qb-preference-ben-roethlisberger/

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by thl408:
Listing the teams out, there's going to be a market for Jimmy.
Teams that will be interested if they don't land one of the stud vet QBs (Rodgers, Wilson, Watson). I think these teams feel that with stable QBing, they will be a winning team.
DEN
NO
CLE
PIT

Need a QB, but still rebuilding. Less likely to trade for Jimmy:
WAS
CAR
HOU

Edits?

Add Indy and Tampa as potential buyers.

Depending on Matt Ryan, ATL as well.

IND and ATL are pot committed to their QBs since Wentz($28) and Ryan($48, lol) have huge cap hits for 2022, and large dead cap if moved. Tampa, maybe, but Arians likes to push the ball downfield so I'm not sure there's a skillset to scheme fit.