What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by FL9er:
I think Middlekauff is a meathead, but even he says if the 49ers are lucky to get a 4th, they should take it and run.

I would have said this earlier this year, but his winning percentage has been steady... I just can't imagine the Niners don't net more than a 4th, considering the weak QB market / draft.

A 4th rounder seems really low. Jimmy is at least a mid range QB in the NFL. If a team that wants him has a surplus of picks I could see them giving up the later of their 2 firsts or the later of their 2 seconds and maybe a 5th. The only thing that might cause teams to be reluctant is that injury history.

Originally posted by Faithful4ever:

That last play was so bad it was enough to lower his trade value by itself. That's the lasting image the NFL has of Jimmy.

Things have changed since we traded Alex Smith, teams
have even less patience now with coaches and quarterbacks. I don't see owners wanting to potentially waste their time and money on a maybe guy.

The only way I see a team giving up a 1st or a 2nd is if he looks fantastic in his workouts and they attribute his struggles down the stretch completely to his thumb injury.
Otherwise I see us having to throw in a quality starter in a package deal as a sort of insurance for Jimmy G. If I was a GM I'd ask for Greenlaw or Aiyuk in addition to Jimmy.

Keep in mind Shanahan is a respected offensive mind throughout the league. If he can't get Jimmy to the mountain top, why would any other coach wanna take the chance.

I'd be surprised if we got more than a 3rd for him, unless we throw in more.

One positive that helped with Alex and helps now is the weak QB class. When we were shopping Alex the top QBs in the draft were guys like Geno and EJ Manuel. Decent vets become more valuable when the draft doesn't have many good prospects.

Since we don't have a first or anything in the first part of the second round, I would take an early second for Jimmy. His playoff performance didn't help his trade stock.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by thl408:
Listing the teams out, there's going to be a market for Jimmy.
Teams that will be interested if they don't land one of the stud vet QBs (Rodgers, Wilson, Watson). I think these teams feel that with stable QBing, they will be a winning team.
DEN
NO
CLE
PIT

Need a QB, but still rebuilding. Less likely to trade for Jimmy:
WAS
CAR
HOU

Edits?

Add Indy and Tampa as potential buyers.

Depending on Matt Ryan, ATL as well.

IND and ATL are pot committed to their QBs since Wentz($28) and Ryan($48, lol) have huge cap hits for 2022, and large dead cap if moved. Tampa, maybe, but Arians likes to push the ball downfield so I'm not sure there's a skillset to scheme fit.

Good call. Yeah be definitely hard to sell Jimmy to Arians.

Originally posted by FL9er:
I think Middlekauff is a meathead, but even he says if the 49ers are lucky to get a 4th, they should take it and run.

Middlekauff is f**king high.

Just my feelings right now, I feel he's worth like a 2nd and change. I'd take a 2nd and a conditional 3rd/4th next year, maybe something like a 5th/6th this year also. Won't even be mad if it's just something like a 2nd and a 5th straight up but hopefully we can get another pick next year too

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by FL9er:
I think Middlekauff is a meathead, but even he says if the 49ers are lucky to get a 4th, they should take it and run.

Middlekauff is f**king high.

Especially with how little is available. Is there anyone available this offseason better than Jimmy? And if it's a team looking to trade a QB, do they have somebody like Lance sitting on the wings or will that team just need a different QB after trading there starter. Thinking Seattle there if they trade Wilson. Watson is out there and all the extra baggage he comes with.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
A 4th rounder seems really low. Jimmy is at least a mid range QB in the NFL. If a team that wants him has a surplus of picks I could see them giving up the later of their 2 firsts or the later of their 2 seconds and maybe a 5th. The only thing that might cause teams to be reluctant is that injury history.

Denver has two picks in the 2nd round - 40 and 64. 64 by itself is too low for Garoppolo. Add in their #75 with the #64 and you might have a deal.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Since we don't have a first or anything in the first part of the second round, I would take an early second for Jimmy. His playoff performance didn't help his trade stock.

Denver has #40 and the Saints have #49. Either pick would be good, however, NO is less likely being in the same conference. They also have a very good defense and weapons that would make them an instant winner with JG. For those reasons, Lynch will try to stay away.

Denver at #40 and in the AFC makes the most sense for the 49ers and Jimmy. Still want their #75. That makes a better value balance, IMO.

Originally posted by 91til:
Just my feelings right now, I feel he's worth like a 2nd and change. I'd take a 2nd and a conditional 3rd/4th next year, maybe something like a 5th/6th this year also. Won't even be mad if it's just something like a 2nd and a 5th straight up but hopefully we can get another pick next year too

I just think trying to get a first back would put us in a great position. Maybe Jimmy and a 3rd for a middle of the round 1?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by thl408:
Listing the teams out, there's going to be a market for Jimmy.
Teams that will be interested if they don't land one of the stud vet QBs (Rodgers, Wilson, Watson). I think these teams feel that with stable QBing, they will be a winning team.
DEN
NO
CLE
PIT

Need a QB, but still rebuilding. Less likely to trade for Jimmy:
WAS
CAR
HOU

Edits?

Add Indy and Tampa as potential buyers.

Depending on Matt Ryan, ATL as well.

IND and ATL are pot committed to their QBs since Wentz($28) and Ryan($48, lol) have huge cap hits for 2022, and large dead cap if moved. Tampa, maybe, but Arians likes to push the ball downfield so I'm not sure there's a skillset to scheme fit.

Tampa I would put on the list simply because they have a need now. But I agree JG isn't the type of QB that Arians is probably looking for.

Indy has refused to commit to Wentz for next season. Idknhow and if it can work financially speaking though.

Let's work with our buddy Martin and do a three-way trade:
Jimmy to Vegas (reunites with McDaniels)
Carr to Wash (big upgrade at QB for them, and they trade him out of the AFC)
Wash 2nd rounder to us.

Everyone wins and we get a 2nd and 22 mill off the books.
Use our two 2nds on a Center to groom and a legit CB.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Let's work with our buddy Martin and do a three-way trade:
Jimmy to Vegas (reunites with McDaniels)
Carr to Wash (big upgrade at QB for them, and they trade him out of the AFC)
Wash 2nd rounder to us.

Everyone wins and we get a 2nd and 22 mill off the books.
Use our two 2nds on a Center to groom and a legit CB.

Granted McDaniels is an absolute moron with QBs... speaking as a denver resident when he went with Orton and Tebow, kicked Marshall out of Denver and pretty much set the franchise back for years until Elway convinced Peyton to take the Broncos over the Niners.

So it isnt out of the wheelhouse for McDaniels to kick Carr to the curb... but if you have Carr without any draft picks lost vs JG with draft picks lost, you go with Carr 10 out of 10 times. But with his past he will most likely jump on a QB he thinks he can make his name on through the draft vs a trade. Thats his whole deal, showing that it wasnt BB and TB that made him great but that he was the great OC that made them perform at an elite level.

I think we'll get multiple picks for him, but not a first.

I also think we'll use some of the picks we get to move into the top of the first round if there's a guy there we like.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by thl408:
Listing the teams out, there's going to be a market for Jimmy.
Teams that will be interested if they don't land one of the stud vet QBs (Rodgers, Wilson, Watson). I think these teams feel that with stable QBing, they will be a winning team.
DEN
NO
CLE
PIT

Need a QB, but still rebuilding. Less likely to trade for Jimmy:
WAS
CAR
HOU

Edits?

Add Indy and Tampa as potential buyers.

Depending on Matt Ryan, ATL as well.

IND and ATL are pot committed to their QBs since Wentz($28) and Ryan($48, lol) have huge cap hits for 2022, and large dead cap if moved. Tampa, maybe, but Arians likes to push the ball downfield so I'm not sure there's a skillset to scheme fit.

Tampa I would put on the list simply because they have a need now. But I agree JG isn't the type of QB that Arians is probably looking for.

Indy has refused to commit to Wentz for next season. Idknhow and if it can work financially speaking though.

I'm looking at Spotrac and Wentz has a $28 cap hit for for 2022, I don't think another team will trade for that.
If IND cuts Wentz, it's a $15 dead cap hit. I guess that's not too bad, but then we'll need to factor in assets traded to acquire Jimmy and Jimmy's $27 cap hit added to IND. That means give draft picks + $42 QB cap hit in 2022 to upgrade from Wentz to Jimmy.

I'd say his value is somewhere between three #1s and a gas station hot dog that's been sitting there for 2 months. The zone has really narrowed it down for me. Thank you WZ