What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

How many 5th round picks is a late 1st round pick worth?

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
How many 5th round picks is a late 1st round pick worth?

Honestly it'd be hilarious to see a team trade back like ten times and wind up with like a dozen or more 5th round picks.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by random49er:
Even with all the noise,...I'd be floored if we get anything higher than a 3rd.

It'd require @ least 2 teams competing because as someone recently said -- although others brushed it off -- teams KNOW we'd have to cut him, and if that were the case, they'd get an even better shot with him having no leverage.

The only reason right now to trade for him is to keep him from another team.

The question then is "what would you be willing to give up to keep him from going somewhere else?"

Teams knew that the 49ers had to cut Alex Smith too, and the 49ers ended up with two 2nd round picks.

Outside of Rodgers, if a team is looking for a veteran QB option, Garoppolo is the best there is.

AND one of which was the first pick in the 2nd round if I recall correctly.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by random49er:
Even with all the noise,...I'd be floored if we get anything higher than a 3rd.

It'd require @ least 2 teams competing because as someone recently said -- although others brushed it off -- teams KNOW we'd have to cut him, and if that were the case, they'd get an even better shot with him having no leverage.

The only reason right now to trade for him is to keep him from another team.

The question then is "what would you be willing to give up to keep him from going somewhere else?"

Teams knew that the 49ers had to cut Alex Smith too, and the 49ers ended up with two 2nd round picks.

Outside of Rodgers, if a team is looking for a veteran QB option, Garoppolo is the best there is.

From the Chiefs?

Well just as a dumb, quick comparison of "fees" due that traded year, Alex made under $10M that year he 1st played for the Chiefs ($9,750,000), and the cap that year was $123.6M.

Next year the cap is set to be $208.2M with Jimmy slated to make $27M.

That's about 7.5% of the team's cap with Smith vs. 13% of the cap with Jimmy. Or IOW, prorating it out, Alex's full contract today would've been a little over $16M against the cap instead of the $27M that Jimmy's is.

Clearly, one guy is alot more of a pressing need to "cut" than the other was if we're comparing. And teams know that.

Last but not least, they got him there with 2 years left on his contract, instead of the 1 Jimmy has. He had to play and earn his extension. 2 years gave KC the security of knowing they could use him for @ least 2 years giving up what they gave up.

With Jimmy's contract, you trade for him and he can literally walk the next year, which decreases his current trade value.

So whomever takes Jimmy's contract as-is is paying alot more and getting alot less than w/the Alex Smith deal.

Pretty much 100% of the what they're trading to us will simply be to keep him from an opportunity elsewhere.

Just trade him to Washington and get what you can. Maybe a 3rd and a 5th like we gave them for Trent Williams. I'm sure its not a sexy pickup for them, but Jimmy will be an upgrade over Heinecke

Lol good god

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by random49er:
Even with all the noise,...I'd be floored if we get anything higher than a 3rd.

It'd require @ least 2 teams competing because as someone recently said -- although others brushed it off -- teams KNOW we'd have to cut him, and if that were the case, they'd get an even better shot with him having no leverage.

The only reason right now to trade for him is to keep him from another team.

The question then is "what would you be willing to give up to keep him from going somewhere else?"

Teams knew that the 49ers had to cut Alex Smith too, and the 49ers ended up with two 2nd round picks.

Outside of Rodgers, if a team is looking for a veteran QB option, Garoppolo is the best there is.

From the Chiefs?

Well just as a dumb, quick comparison of "fees" due that traded year, Alex made under $10M that year he 1st played for the Chiefs ($9,750,000), and the cap that year was $123.6M.

Next year the cap is set to be $208.2M with Jimmy slated to make $27M.

That's about 7.5% of the team's cap with Smith vs. 13% of the cap with Jimmy. Or IOW, prorating it out, Alex's full contract today would've been a little over $16M against the cap instead of the $27M that Jimmy's is.

Clearly, one guy is alot more of a pressing need to "cut" than the other was if we're comparing. And teams know that.

Last but not least, they got him there with 2 years left on his contract, instead of the 1 Jimmy has. He had to play and earn his extension. 2 years gave KC the security of knowing they could use him for @ least 2 years giving up what they gave up.

With Jimmy's contract, you trade for him and he can literally walk the next year, which decreases his current trade value.

So whomever takes Jimmy's contract as-is is paying alot more and getting alot less than w/the Alex Smith deal.

Pretty much 100% of the what they're trading to us will simply be to keep him from an opportunity elsewhere.

Carson Wentz…. All you need is one team to think they can win with that QB (heck we did) and not want to chance him picking another destination in an open market. His contract isn't that unreasonable for a QB, and any team thinking they can win with him will most likely redo it once they trade for him.

Originally posted by NinersFan52:
Carson Wentz…. All you need is one team to think they can win with that QB (heck we did) and not want to chance him picking another destination in an open market. His contract isn't that unreasonable for a QB, and any team thinking they can win with him will most likely redo it once they trade for him.

I mean great but again, Carson Wentz' contract was already signed and sealed for 4 years before he was shipped out. There was nothing for his next team to figure out, nor any risk of him leaving after a year.

Without an immediate signing the point is the same: a reduced contract value as I see it due to the 1-year remaining unless TEAM#1 really, REALLY wants him more than TEAM#2.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NinersFan52:
Carson Wentz…. All you need is one team to think they can win with that QB (heck we did) and not want to chance him picking another destination in an open market. His contract isn't that unreasonable for a QB, and any team thinking they can win with him will most likely redo it once they trade for him.

I mean great but again, Carson Wentz' contract was already signed and sealed before he was shipped out. There was nothing for his next team to figure out.

Without an immediate signing the point is the same: a reduced contract value as I see it due to the 1-year remaining unless TEAM#1 really, REALLY wants him more than TEAM#2.

Which is exactly why this is a perfect off season for us to be trading him. The draft doesn't look QB strong, the free agency pool is not exciting, besides the long shot superstars (Rodgers/Wilson/Watson) which will cost an arm and leg IF even available, the next best option is Jimmy. Tampa Bay(among other teams) doesn't want to chance playing the musical chairs game with QB and left standing. A QB that wins 70% of his games will be sought after, and a 2nd round/possible upgrade to 1st is the low end of the asking point. Even Matt Maiocco said about the same.

Trade him to the Redskins or the Steelers. Take whoever gives the best offer.

Brady retires. Increases his value. Rodgers may stay put. Watson has major red flags.

He may be the best QB on the market. There are lots of QB desperate teams.

Low end = 2nd round pick.

Mid end = 2nd and a 3rd.

High end = 2nd and 2nd. The Alex Smith deal.

If multiple teams bid his price will go up. Something in any of those ranges is possible. Depending if more or less teams bid.

Ultimately I think we will get more for him than most people here think.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by random49er:
Even with all the noise,...I'd be floored if we get anything higher than a 3rd.

It'd require @ least 2 teams competing because as someone recently said -- although others brushed it off -- teams KNOW we'd have to cut him, and if that were the case, they'd get an even better shot with him having no leverage.

The only reason right now to trade for him is to keep him from another team.

The question then is "what would you be willing to give up to keep him from going somewhere else?"

Teams knew that the 49ers had to cut Alex Smith too, and the 49ers ended up with two 2nd round picks.

Outside of Rodgers, if a team is looking for a veteran QB option, Garoppolo is the best there is.

From the Chiefs?

Well just as a dumb, quick comparison of "fees" due that traded year, Alex made under $10M that year he 1st played for the Chiefs ($9,750,000), and the cap that year was $123.6M.

Next year the cap is set to be $208.2M with Jimmy slated to make $27M.

That's about 7.5% of the team's cap with Smith vs. 13% of the cap with Jimmy. Or IOW, prorating it out, Alex's full contract today would've been a little over $16M against the cap instead of the $27M that Jimmy's is.

Clearly, one guy is alot more of a pressing need to "cut" than the other was if we're comparing. And teams know that.

Last but not least, they got him there with 2 years left on his contract, instead of the 1 Jimmy has. He had to play and earn his extension. 2 years gave KC the security of knowing they could use him for @ least 2 years giving up what they gave up.

With Jimmy's contract, you trade for him and he can literally walk the next year, which decreases his current trade value.

So whomever takes Jimmy's contract as-is is paying alot more and getting alot less than w/the Alex Smith deal.

Pretty much 100% of the what they're trading to us will simply be to keep him from an opportunity elsewhere.

Stop making sense. People here have fantasies.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
A 4th rounder seems really low. Jimmy is at least a mid range QB in the NFL. If a team that wants him has a surplus of picks I could see them giving up the later of their 2 firsts or the later of their 2 seconds and maybe a 5th. The only thing that might cause teams to be reluctant is that injury history.

Denver has two picks in the 2nd round - 40 and 64. 64 by itself is too low for Garoppolo. Add in their #75 with the #64 and you might have a deal.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Since we don't have a first or anything in the first part of the second round, I would take an early second for Jimmy. His playoff performance didn't help his trade stock.

Denver has #40 and the Saints have #49. Either pick would be good, however, NO is less likely being in the same conference. They also have a very good defense and weapons that would make them an instant winner with JG. For those reasons, Lynch will try to stay away.

Denver at #40 and in the AFC makes the most sense for the 49ers and Jimmy. Still want their #75. That makes a better value balance, IMO.

#40 and #75 this year for Jimmy would be in my book

Please make sure to keep him in the NFC plz. thats all I ask

Maiocco literally just told you the lower limit comp and you are still arguing over it.

He told you the answer.