Originally posted by Blake_Fever:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I think you're not understanding what goes into the value of a player.
The "market said" what it said about Darnold BECAUSE he was young and considered to still have potential.
I think you're not understanding that none of that matters in a trade negotiation when there are multiple examples SF can point to, Darnold being one.
No, that's a factor as well. Supply and demand is generally the strongest factor.
If "potential" was such a driver, then one (or more) of the picks shouldve been conditional based on performance. Like with Wentz, although that was based on snaps.
Snaps
is performance based, among other things. If he's not performing, he won't be starting. Making the playoffs is performance based (another stipulation in the trade).
Darnold, Rosen, Wentz (with a horrendous contract). This is near what trade compensation should be.
Fear not, Golden Rings, I am here to educate and I consider you my pupil! Come, catch the intellectual fever...
BLAKE_FEVER
Well, my dear Blake_Fever, perhaps you should reconsider the source of your fever. Could be the rona, because you seem to have not connected the dots between performance of a QB, playing time, and post-season play. For example, they missed the playoffs because Wentz
performed to the tune of a 74.6 passer rating.
Here's why this is sometimes done this way: teams know that pass attempts, touchdown passes, etc, are in part determined by scheme and coaching decisions, and game situations. But snaps? The team has to assume he's going to be starting, otherwise why would they want to trade for him? (assuming the player's bonus is tied to snaps vs stats, you'll have a similar thing). The team trading him would rather the stipulations be tied to absurd statistics, knowing the player will likely never reach them. But the team trading for him knows there is too much variation and risk in such a trade. However, snaps correlate with performance as well, and are more reliable: if the player is the best QB on the team, he'll be getting the snaps. And post-season play? That indicates the trade was worth it, all things considered.
So, as you can see, performance played a role in the terms of the trade.
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Also, Wentz was drafted in 2016 and had been around the block. After 5 years in the league, teams know what you are. Darnold was drafted in 2018 and there were questions about what he will be still. Three years is about the precipice for an NFL QB. So Darnold was still right at the door with what he is or not.
Jimmy is 30. There are absolutely zero questions about him, whether positive or negative. The league knows exactly what he is, and whatever he gets in a trade is going to more accurately reflect his value, assuming there is no drastic influence from supply and demand.
[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on Feb 6, 2022 at 10:51 AM ]