What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Not as cut and dry as you think. If you want to win in 2022, he's your choice? Pure speculation. I'm sure Detroit would love to win, Jimmy ain't winning s**t there. Then the risk part you mentioned, is Jimmy's injury history not a risk all the same? Dude is literally hurt right now and supposedly getting surgery lol. Completely disagree on your very first sentence. How high they are on him directly correlates to how much they are willing to give up. There's other FA QBs out there, Rodgers and Wilson isn't the only ones. You have no idea how much better, if at all, teams think Jimmy + draft picks + new contract is over guys like Marriota or Winston etc..

We'll see soon

Imagine going to your fans like "have no fear guys, we're rolling with Marcus Mariota!"

Just call it a dead season and move on.

Lol don't be petty. Marriota would obviously be the FA Vet bridge QB and the draft pick spent on a rookie. If you poll Steelers fans on a QB plan of giving away draft picks and a new contract for Jimmy as their guy that they can have "no fear" on or signing Marriota in FA and drafting a new young QBOTF in let's just say Pickett and letting them battle it out for the job, I'm pretty sure there would be mixed results with the latter winning more votes.

Imagine telling your fans "have no fear guys, we getting Jimmy G who is 30 years old and played one full season without getting hurt and missing games, is hurt now but don't worry he getting surgery, may or may not play at least half the games in the contract we signed him for and his former team made the biggest trade in franchise history to replace him"

I'm afraid I believe that 100 percent. If you need a bridge guy might as well try the draft. The only way I see a pick higher than a 3 is If the 9ers pick up half his salary. Maybe they do. Who knows.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Lol don't be petty. Marriota would obviously be the FA Vet bridge QB and the draft pick spent on a rookie. If you poll Steelers fans on a QB plan of giving away draft picks and a new contract for Jimmy as their guy that they can have "no fear" on or signing Marriota in FA and drafting a new young QBOTF in let's just say Pickett and letting them battle it out for the job, I'm pretty sure there would be mixed results with the latter winning more votes.

Imagine telling your fans "have no fear guys, we getting Jimmy G who is 30 years old and played one full season without getting hurt and missing games, is hurt now but don't worry he getting surgery, may or may not play at least half the games in the contract we signed him for and his former team made the biggest trade in franchise history to replace him"

The bottom line is that it's a supply and demand issue. There's a lot of demand and precious little supply. Especially with a draft class where not a single quarterback looks like someone that will be able to contribute immediately.

With Garoppolo you get a smart veteran that has shown he can come up big in the clutch, be a tremendous influence in the locker room and a guy that you won't be afraid to roll with for a few seasons, especially if you don't find anything compelling in this QB draft class.

At minimum the 49ers are getting a 2nd rounder and a player or a later pick and it could be more than that depending on how intense the bidding goes. The only way I see the 49ers getting less than that is if they pull a Belichick and take a lesser offer to do right by him and send him to a team where he's most likely to be successful.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
I'm afraid I believe that 100 percent. If you need a bridge guy might as well try the draft. The only way I see a pick higher than a 3 is If the 9ers pick up half his salary. Maybe they do. Who knows.

If you think Garoppolo is only pulling a third then you're either way underrating Garoppolo or way overrating the QB market. You're not pulling a QB better than Garoppolo using a 2nd rounder in this draft class.

There might not be a single QB that winds up being a better QB than Garoppolo from this draft class. There's some intriguing prospects like Willis but not one QB that you can confidently point to and say "that guy will definitely be our starter either this year or next."

It will be interesting to see but really do think a lot of you totally overvaluing him. If the next stop has a crap run game they'll be in a heap of trouble.

No way a two. No way. And $26m a year? And renegotiate? What to $17m to $12m. His next stop needs to iron out a lot details.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
It will be interesting to see but really do think a lot of you totally overvaluing him. If the next stop has a crap run game they'll be in a heap of trouble.

No way a two. No way. And $26m a year? And renegotiate? What to $17m to $12m. His next stop needs to iron out a lot details.

Once again, way underrating Garoppolo. And way overrating the value of a 2nd round pick when your team has no quarterback.

Also QB salaries are going over $40 million a year now. $26 million is pretty much mid tier which is exactly what Garoppolo is.

Rodgers will stay in GB. Russell Wilson will stay in Seattle to keep our division extremely competitive (just our luck )

I don't see the Steelers being that interested, personally. In fact, they might even go crazy and trade up for Malik Willis.

To me, either Washington or Denver is the play. I am leaning Denver, just because their new head coach Hackett probably runs a similar scheme.

With Denver being for sale I wonder how deep they want to go for a QB. It may be best to wait until the next brass is in place. Not sure how many big contracts completed until sale complete.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Once again, way underrating Garoppolo. And way overrating the value of a 2nd round pick when your team has no quarterback.

Also QB salaries are going over $40 million a year now. $26 million is pretty much mid tier which is exactly what Garoppolo is.

He's a proven injury liability. That is the big one. $26m on the sidelines is not a mid level bargain.

It's okay to not like Garoppolo as a QB but also acknowledge market dynamics will likely see the Niners getting great compensation.

Acknowledging basic economics doesn't invalidate your previous opinions. It only makes you rational and pragmatic.

It's just business.

I think we get a 2nd from either Pittsburgh, Denver or Miami. All AFC teams with cap space and/or a need for a vet QB. (Miami familiarity with McDaniel)

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Not as cut and dry as you think. If you want to win in 2022, he's your choice? Pure speculation. I'm sure Detroit would love to win, Jimmy ain't winning s**t there. Then the risk part you mentioned, is Jimmy's injury history not a risk all the same? Dude is literally hurt right now and supposedly getting surgery lol. Completely disagree on your very first sentence. How high they are on him directly correlates to how much they are willing to give up. There's other FA QBs out there, Rodgers and Wilson isn't the only ones. You have no idea how much better, if at all, teams think Jimmy + draft picks + new contract is over guys like Marriota or Winston etc..

We'll see soon

Imagine going to your fans like "have no fear guys, we're rolling with Marcus Mariota!"

Just call it a dead season and move on because you're just phoning it in at that point.

The gap between Garoppolo and top tier QBs like Allen, Mahomes and Rodgers is pretty much equivalent to the gap between Garoppolo and replacement level QBs like Mariota. He's not a top 5 QB but he's at least someone that you can credibly sell to your fans as giving you a shot at the playoffs.

I saw the Mariotta and Winston references and realized the Niners may do even better than a 2nd plus more.

What a great market for the Niners to shop a QB.

Jimmys injury history is why they're not getting two firsts.

It's already priced in.

Originally posted by Shifty:
I think we get a 2nd from either Pittsburgh, Denver or Miami. All AFC teams with cap space and/or a need for a vet QB. (Miami familiarity with McDaniel)

This compensation at least is what I'm hoping (plus AFC team).

Originally posted by 9erson3:
He's a proven injury liability. That is the big one. $26m on the sidelines is not a mid level bargain.

Lots of guys with existing injury histories get big contracts every year. With the 49ers luck, he'll go elsewhere and turn into a football Ironman.

If you're a HC and GM that has to deliver tangible results and you don't have an early draft pick, what is the surer thing? A middling draft pick that may never turn out to be more than backup tier? A backup tier QB that has definitely shown that you can't count on them more than a few games at a time or a QB like Garoppolo that could be the difference between a 4-6 win season and going on the hot seat versus an 8 to 10 win season and a possible playoff berth?

You can win a whole lot of games with Jimmy Garoppolo as your QB. The 49ers are proof of that and you only need one team to look at him as a guy that they can roll with for three to four seasons to get some nice compensation in exchange.